I miss covers with substance 3 3

[Hamlet]

On 11/26/2021 at 4:07 PM, MattTheDuck said:

After taking a few decades off from collecting, I had forgotten how "information dense" the typical Marvel Silver Age comic panel/book was.  There is a ton of visual stuff to absorb and lots of words to read.  I was a very avid reader at an early age, and I suspect this was one of the real attractions of comics for me.  Unlike when Ryan went to school, we were taught that reading was exciting, and were expected to know how to read, and to be able to demonstrate - both out loud and in testing - that we could read.  Somewhat depending on parenting, we were also taught to value reading and books of all kinds themselves. 

And SA Marvels are less dense than ECs were.

[THE_BEYONDER]

[Hamlet]

On 11/26/2021 at 2:58 PM, Randall Dowling said:

You know, that's a good point.  The stories are so thin (also the comics themselves) that they have gotten really, really boring.  A good friend of mine recently described his experience reading a modern comic as such- "When I got finished reading page after page of minimal story and bad panel layout, I felt something that comics never made me feel before- old."

So, yes, it's going to be hard to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear when you've got very little story to work with.  

The first books I remember thinking this about were the 1st five issues of the 1990 Spiderman.  I though that that should have been two issues instead of five.

[Lazyboy]

On 11/26/2021 at 3:44 PM, LarsUmlaut said:

This sounds specifically like Marvel. Tell your friend not to be such a zombie.

That's not entirely fair. Sure, Marvel is absolutely unreadable garbage, but maybe his friend is the only person in the world to ever actually open a Zenescope comic.

[MAR1979]

On 11/26/2021 at 4:48 PM, Ryan. said:

Oh cool, another thread about old guys being old. 

If it makes any difference I thought the same about the Image! stuff in 1992/1993 and I was rather young then.

[MattTheDuck]

On 11/26/2021 at 2:31 PM, Lazyboy said:

That's not entirely fair. Sure, Marvel is absolutely unreadable garbage, but maybe his friend is the only person in the world to ever actually open a Zenescope comic.

I used to tell people I only read Playboy for the pictures.  Same with Zenescope.

[Randall Ries]

On 11/26/2021 at 2:45 PM, Hamlet said:

How can you pass up a classic cover like this-

Easily.

[catman76]

Like usual no one here ever looks at anything outside marvel/dc and superhero crud it seems. There are so many great comics being made today but you won't find any of them if you only looking at superhero mainstream bs 

[Randall Ries]

On 11/26/2021 at 4:54 PM, kav said:

we dont post selfies.  what can I say.

It never occured to me to ever post a selfie on purpose or a picture of what I was just served for lunch. And they called us from the late 1960's and early 1970s "The 'ME' Generation". We had NOTHING on this self centered generation. The love of self has never been greater in human history.And ironically while claiming they "hate" themselves. Poor self esteem. Poor self image problems. Then stop looking at yourselves so much! I KNOW you are but what am I?

[Cliff R.]

I like this one, and it isn't quite 30 years old. It's the only one I could think of. 

[shadroch]

  All together now, 1-2-3.....

 

GET OFF OF MY LAWN!

[Randall Ries]

Seems as though when movies began to drive the comic books the stories began to stink along with the art. Many movies that are comic related just suck. Every Batman movie sucks. If people could just sit back and see that. We grew up with writers that could actually write and put a sentence together.

This cover was one of the last ones that seemed to advertise what we were about to see. It was what we had waited for for over a year to wrap up.

Edited November 27, 2021 by Randall Ries

[Cliff R.]

On 11/26/2021 at 5:13 PM, Shawn Everidge said:

I stopped reading after "But that's when comics had stories that were worth reading." Another "old man yells at cloud" moment.

 

You'll have more respect for old folks someday.

[ganni]

[shadroch]

I love Perez as an artist but many of his Titans and Crisis covers were way too busy for me. 

[kav]

Apparently there is nothing modern that is bad.  Its all super awesome and if someone criticizes it, theyre just get off my lawners.
Sheer logic shows this is ridiculous.  There are plenty of things that are worse now than in the past.  A refrigerator used to last 50 years.  Now they are designed to wear out in 12.  Thats just one example.

[Poekaymon]

On 11/26/2021 at 6:32 PM, kav said:

Apparently there is nothing modern that is bad.  Its all super awesome and if someone criticizes it, theyre just get off my lawners.
Sheer logic shows this is ridiculous.  There are plenty of things that are worse now than in the past.  A refrigerator used to last 50 years.  Now they are designed to wear out in 12.  Thats just one example.

[Randall Ries]

On 11/26/2021 at 6:32 PM, kav said:

Apparently there is nothing modern that is bad.  Its all super awesome and if someone criticizes it, theyre just get off my lawners.
Sheer logic shows this is ridiculous.  There are plenty of things that are worse now than in the past.  A refrigerator used to last 50 years.  Now they are designed to wear out in 12.  Thats just one example.

It's a cover up and a way of avoiding the fact they have no way to approach something with an aesthetic. It's "too busy" It's "too crowded" It's "TMI". It's actually called "I am intimidated by things that aren't spelled out in one sentence, line drawing or sound bite. My attention span is 4 seconds and that's YOUR fault. So, I will pretend to yawn because I am so much more evolved than you, senile old goat." The reality is they aren't as evolved as much as they think they are.

Age is a weird thing. I recall telling my uncle I liked KISS when I was 14. He didn't judge per se, he just asked "What about Van Morrison?" Not so much. He just kinda smiled. Now I like VM FAR MORE than I do KISS. Quality lasts. Flash and severe marketing always goes away.

I was into Neal Adams Batman as a kid. My uncle was into Walt Kelly's Pogo and Hal Foster and Milt Caniff. I just could not see it. He simply tried to share with me and relate and show me superior. Now, superior is a dirty word. Along with the word elite. Unless the word is applied to a branch of the armed services. Blaaaah. Keep your hired killer and capitalistic world.

[Randall Ries]

On 11/26/2021 at 6:43 PM, Shawn Everidge said:

More generalizing. 🙄

More accurate description. Just because you can't hack it doesn't mean it isn't true. Show me a more self absorbed generation. Please. Hint: You will have to wait until YOUR kids are teenagers.

[Lord Gemini]

On 11/26/2021 at 5:52 PM, Randall Ries said:

It's a cover up and a way of avoiding the fact they have no way to approach something with an aesthetic. It's "too busy" It's "too crowded" It's "TMI". It's actually called "I am intimidated by things that aren't spelled out in one sentence, line drawing or sound bite. My attention span is 4 seconds and that's YOUR fault. So, I will pretend to yawn because I am so much more evolved than you, senile old goat." The reality is they aren't as evolved as much as they think they are.

Age is a weird thing. I recall telling my uncle I liked KISS when I was 14. He didn't judge per se, he just asked "What about Van Morrison?" Not so much. He just kinda smiled. Now I like VM FAR MORE than I do KISS. Quality lasts. Flash and severe marketing always goes away.

I was into Neal Adams Batman as a kid. My uncle was into Walt Kelly's Pogo and Hal Foster and Milt Caniff. I just could not see it. He simply tried to share with me and relate and show me superior. Now, superior is a dirty word. Along with the word elite. Unless the word is applied to a branch of the armed services. Blaaaah. Keep your hired killer and capitalistic world.

I enjoy older stuff too, but I’m not so close-minded as to write everything off in the last thirty years or so as garbage. There was plenty of garbage in the old days too.