badback83 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 What do you think? This look trimmed to you? It does to me, unfortunately. The CF is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I don't think so...but I'm looking at images and not the book. It just looks "fanned" to me. GOD BLESS.... jimbo(a friend of jesus) Msgarmar, The Lions Den, djzombi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badback83 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 12/28/2021 at 10:31 PM, jimjum12 said: I don't think so...but I'm looking at images and not the book. It just looks "fanned" to me. GOD BLESS.... jimbo(a friend of jesus) Thank you. I know it’s tough from pics. If I was a little more technologically sophisticated, I’d post a video. jimjum12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 The front cover doesn't look trimmed. The book has spine roll, some of the front cover and both staples worked toward the back, and a bit askew. You would think that the back cover would hang out a bit due to that, but it doesn't seem to. So that raises an eyebrow. But it could have resulted when it was originally cut, as the back cover outside edge looks to be following the same angle that the encroaching front cover forms. Overall, I think it's legit. Could be a married centerfold creating some unevenness along the edge, or just the original centerfold no longer buried into the comic spine. The Lions Den, jimjum12, badback83 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badback83 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 12/29/2021 at 12:31 AM, Lightning55 said: The front cover doesn't look trimmed. The book has spine roll, some of the front cover and both staples worked toward the back, and a bit askew. You would think that the back cover would hang out a bit due to that, but it doesn't seem to. So that raises an eyebrow. But it could have resulted when it was originally cut, as the back cover outside edge looks to be following the same angle that the encroaching front cover forms. Overall, I think it's legit. Could be a married centerfold creating some unevenness along the edge, or just the original centerfold no longer buried into the comic spine. Thank you. I believe the centerfold is original to the copy. The staples line up perfectly with the holes. Also, the PQ of the centerfold looks the same as the rest of the pages. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Well Doc, I think what Jimjum and Lightning are saying makes sense. I don't see enough here to lead me to believe the book has been trimmed. You do appear to have some minor tears at the staples, which could cause some shifting of the cover and interior. What I try to keep in mind these days is that pressing a book can often make it appear a bit unusual and make one think that something else has been done to it... badback83, silverseeker, Larryw7 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badback83 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) On 12/29/2021 at 12:11 PM, The Lions Den said: Well Doc, I think what Jimjum and Lightning are saying makes sense. I don't see enough here to lead me to believe the book has been trimmed. You do appear to have some minor tears at the staples, which could cause some shifting of the cover and interior. What I try to keep in mind these days is that pressing a book can often make it appear a bit unusual and make one think that something else has been done to it... Thank you. Honestly, I don’t know if this books has been pressed. I definitely didn’t do it. It’s certainly possible. Edited December 29, 2021 by DocHoppus182 Grammar The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djzombi Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Ditto the prior assessments. Other slight issues going on, but doesn't seem to be apparent trimming. badback83 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 On 12/28/2021 at 10:36 PM, DocHoppus182 said: Thank you. I know it’s tough from pics. If I was a little more technologically sophisticated, I’d post a video. Early SA Marvel is horrible. I had an ASM 9 from an original owner collection that I decided not to submit to CGC because it "looked" trimmed... even though I knew without a doubt it was untouched. Sometimes a book deemed "trimmed" and garners a PLOD is actually not trimmed. It's primarily opinion driven. One thing many don't consider with these things is that a 100% assurance for or against trimming is complicated, because ALL comics are trimmed as a part of the production process .... GOD BLESS ... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) gunsmokin, badback83, The Lions Den and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badback83 Posted December 30, 2021 Author Share Posted December 30, 2021 On 12/29/2021 at 7:44 PM, jimjum12 said: Early SA Marvel is horrible. I had an ASM 9 from an original owner collection that I decided not to submit to CGC because it "looked" trimmed... even though I knew without a doubt it was untouched. Sometimes a book deemed "trimmed" and garners a PLOD is actually not trimmed. It's primarily opinion driven. One thing many don't consider with these things is that a 100% assurance for or against trimming is complicated, because ALL comics are trimmed as a part of the production process .... GOD BLESS ... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) That’s the thing. Over the years, I’ve tried to learn about spotting different things in terms of restoration. Bad color touch is the easiest to see of course. But trimming has always stumped me. Drives me a little bonkers. djzombi and jimjum12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Ries Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 I wonder if covers actually shrink a bit over time. Due to losing moisture in the paper. It is different stock than newsprint, I assume. Maybe that would give it a trimmed look. Larryw7 and badback83 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badback83 Posted December 30, 2021 Author Share Posted December 30, 2021 On 12/29/2021 at 11:06 PM, Randall Ries said: I wonder if covers actually shrink a bit over time. Due to losing moisture in the paper. It is different stock than newsprint, I assume. Maybe that would give it a trimmed look. That’s an interesting idea. I hadn’t thought about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 12/29/2021 at 9:11 AM, The Lions Den said: Well Doc, I think what Jimjum and Lightning are saying makes sense. I don't see enough here to lead me to believe the book has been trimmed. You do appear to have some minor tears at the staples, which could cause some shifting of the cover and interior. What I try to keep in mind these days is that pressing a book can often make it appear a bit unusual and make one think that something else has been done to it... +1 Not trimmed. Normal production edges. silverseeker and The Lions Den 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I think it was NOT trimmed. Biggest thing for me (which I believe has been mentioned) is the fact that on the back, lower spine, you can see how the cover is rolled. This roll matches the fact that the top edge on the other side sticks out. Purely production here IMO. silverseeker, The Lions Den and badback83 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 12/29/2021 at 9:03 PM, DocHoppus182 said: That’s the thing. Over the years, I’ve tried to learn about spotting different things in terms of restoration. Bad color touch is the easiest to see of course. But trimming has always stumped me. Drives me a little bonkers. You and everyone else, Doc... silverseeker and badback83 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 12/29/2021 at 11:06 PM, Randall Ries said: I wonder if covers actually shrink a bit over time. Due to losing moisture in the paper. It is different stock than newsprint, I assume. Maybe that would give it a trimmed look. I've seen covers shrink a bit when pressed, too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badback83 Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 12:49 PM, The Lions Den said: I've seen covers shrink a bit when pressed, too... Maybe it was pressed. I don’t know for sure one way or the other. I know I did not press it. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Johnson Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 1:09 PM, DocHoppus182 said: Maybe it was pressed. I don’t know for sure one way or the other. I know I did not press it. Not pressed in the sense of "professionally", using heat, pressure, and possibly moisture. Looks completely untweaked to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badback83 Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 8:16 PM, James J Johnson said: Not pressed in the sense of "professionally", using heat, pressure, and possibly moisture. Looks completely untweaked to me. Cool. I probably just got spooked by the fact that it was an ASM above G/VG. I usually swim below VG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Inconclusive to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
