scburdet Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 2:56 PM, MAR1979 said: I've seen Huge differences between weak 9.6's and strong 9.8's. But yeah a strong 9.6 compared to a weak 9.8 might be nothing more than the graders mood. The ol' chestnut of "buy the book not the slab label" applies! Agreed! I got my Something is Killing the Children #1 signed and graded and I noticed a small something along the spine as I was packing it up. I was actually worried (1st world problem!) that it would come back in the low 9s. It got a 9.6 and it's pretty obvious this is the reason. But I have other 9.6s and 9.8s I just don't have the time or imagination to figure out what is the reason for 1 over the other. The best policy is to store your comics bagged and boarded in long boxes, never open the box, and assume they're all 9.8-10s. MAR1979 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSC249 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 3:00 PM, scburdet said: I am not a defender or detractor of how they operate, but it kind of makes sense that the highest grades wouldn't necessarily have grader notes. There are multiple graders looking at the same item, and making a note implies consensus across all those eyes. If there's a difference of opinion about the nature of a defect, it's likely "safest" to not delineate that. I suspect this is the case for many areas where people desire more transparency. If they give too much information, they just open the floodgates to customers objecting to what often amounts as a judgement call. We can all agree what a crease is, but if there's a small spot on a spine, does that constitute a manufacturing defect or something that's damage? Lots things being decided on the margins. The only problem is the HUGE sums of money between a 9.6 and 9.8. That and the fact that some are just re-issuing books for the pre-screen til they get the grade they want. I'm not sure why I care really. Personally, I'm not interested in buying a book because it graded 9.8 When I finally found FF48 in decent condition at a ridiculous price, I was Flippin' Ecstatic! scburdet and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 All I know through reading all this is OP is definitely checked the **** out haha. Personally, he just seems very inexperienced to me, grammatically and on a basis of grading knowledge. All that aside though, if CGC isn't doing it for him then he should just let it go as he implied. Personally, I think people talk a big game when it comes to that, but they find themselves right back in the thick of it, buying CGC. Ultimately, I think CGC does a solid job, at least I've never had many issues. A couple problems with labels that were corrected, and the occasional newton ring issue. Overall though, grading has been very consistent for me and customer service has been sufficient. Boy oh boy, people LOOOVVEEE to bash this company lol. I'm not saying it's not warranted at times, but wow it's gotten bad. Definitely don't see people praise them when they add anything that's positive in nature. Anyway, much love to ya'll!!! Keep on collecting!!! BSC249 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSC249 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 3:18 PM, LDarkseid1 said: All I know through reading all this is OP is definitely checked the **** out haha. LDarkseid1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPark Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 9.6 is high grade as is. There is not a lot you can do without identifying pressable defects. Paying money, unfortunately, does not improve the grades. There are rather unique situations that can be improved but sometimes you can't get them any better. Not every books comes off the presses with 9.8 potential. If you're concerned about the money, stick to higher value books to grade and that should help as a raw book in the $100-150 range will often go for $300 or so graded for the same grade. Then you are getting the value out of your grading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyTown Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 2:00 PM, scburdet said: If they give too much information, they just open the floodgates to customers objecting to what often amounts as a judgement call. We can all agree what a crease is, but if there's a small spot on a spine, does that constitute a manufacturing defect or something that's damage? Lots things being decided on the margins. I understand the concern. I want to give you an idea of the completeness with which the other place elucidates their 9.6 decisions, and the variety of descriptions given. The following is a selection of xxxx's publicly available grader notes on various 9.6 comic books: few small spine stress & tiny spine corner wear some breaks color few small spine stress does not break color few spine stress & tiny corner & edge wear to cover breaks color front cover light crease top back cover barely breaks color light spine stress barely breaks color many small light spine stress does not break color slight tanning on insert small corner & edge wear does not break color small corner crease top spine barely breaks color small pen line middle right front cover spine stress breaks color spine stress breaks color spine stress breaks color spine stress breaks color spine stress breaks color & wear bottom spine spine stress breaks color, small bend top edge back cover tiny edge & corner wear tiny spine stress & tiny wear top & bottom spine tiny spine stress breaks color tiny spine wear & stress breaks color tiny tears top indented staple tiny wear bottom spine breaks color light spine stress tiny corner wear light spine stress barely breaks color light pebbling back cover small spine stress front & back cover & tiny edge bends/indents front cover some barely breaks color light bends back cover small thin slight sun shadow bottom back cover tiny spine stress back cover small wear bottom spine small spine stress 1 breaks color spine stress barely breaks color light edge & corner wear, some barely breaks color spine stress some breaks color light wear bottom right corner front cover tiny edge & corner wear, some breaks color small crease top left front cover barely breaks color tiny crease bottom left corner back cover breaks color tiny wear bottom spine back cover breaks color very tiny corner & edge wear to cover breaks color few very tiny creases back cover 1 breaks color small grease pencil "8" top left front cover Full disclosure is an achievable goal. grendelbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 1:22 PM, BSC249 said: This whole thread really needs to be here - https://boards.cgccomics.com/forum/27-comic-book-grading-and-restoration-issues/ Just saying. Mojohand and scburdet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyTown Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 2:18 PM, LDarkseid1 said: Personally, he just seems very inexperienced to me I have no idea what the actual CGC demographics are nor anything about OP, but I can confidently say that young collectors are rabid for variant covers and for CGC slabbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyTown Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) On 7/12/2022 at 2:50 PM, grendelbo said: This whole thread really needs to be here - https://boards.cgccomics.com/forum/27-comic-book-grading-and-restoration-issues/ Just saying. we had a choice?! Edited July 12, 2022 by KirbyTown onlyweaknesskryptonite and grendelbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/11/2022 at 8:43 PM, nino70 said: Send my comic to cgc raw first time no pressed or clean got 9.6 No grader notes decided to send it to get clean and pressed and regrade and he came back the same 9.6 it would be OK if it was one book but 7 of them so I’m asking if they could tell me what’s wrong with the books I Pay so much I deserve at least that much Cleaning and pressing a 9.6 book does not make it turn into a 9.8 book. Your 9.6 books are 9.6 because of some minute flaw. Would it be nice to know what that flaw is? Sure. But CGC doesn’t have time to notate it all. My guess is a minute bend, soft corner, light bit of edge wear or small scuff somewhere. Or and this is where people forget that they grade the entire book, perhaps a minute interior tear or bend Sauce Dog and LDarkseid1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Reality: Is CGC not giving out 9.8 books like they used to? Yes Also reality: Do a lot of younger collectors expect 9.8 books and think everything with a clean cover is an automatic 9.8? Also yes BSC249 and LDarkseid1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 4:22 PM, comicginger1789 said: Cleaning and pressing a 9.6 book does not make it turn into a 9.8 book. Your 9.6 books are 9.6 because of some minute flaw. Would it be nice to know what that flaw is? Sure. But CGC doesn’t have time to notate it all. My guess is a minute bend, soft corner, light bit of edge wear or small scuff somewhere. Or and this is where people forget that they grade the entire book, perhaps a minute interior tear or bend On moderns like that my money would be on color rub 90% of the time. Mojohand, grendelbo and comicginger1789 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 4:27 PM, joeypost said: On moderns like that my money would be on color rub 90% of the time. Yes! This too, especially somewhere on the interior art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyTown Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 i hope op makes his 2nd appearance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 12:51 PM, KirbyTown said: I have no idea what the actual CGC demographics are nor anything about OP, but I can confidently say that young collectors are rabid for variant covers and for CGC slabbing. Hell yeah they are!!! Woot Woot BSC249 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 1:26 PM, comicginger1789 said: Reality: Is CGC not giving out 9.8 books like they used to? Yes Also reality: Do a lot of younger collectors expect 9.8 books and think everything with a clean cover is an automatic 9.8? Also yes Also also reality: I've submitted thousands of raw comics for a decade, and between silver and golden age have received just one back as a 9.8 . Was a golden ager at that . Don't see me complaining though, ok, maybe I'm a little depressed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyTown Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) On 7/12/2022 at 5:06 PM, LDarkseid1 said: one back as a 9.8 . Was a golden ager at that america explain (and pic plz) Edited July 12, 2022 by KirbyTown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LDarkseid1 Posted July 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 4:05 PM, KirbyTown said: america explain (and pic plz) grendelbo, theCapraAegagrus, Larryw7 and 6 others 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyTown Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 😵 This will continue to be the best thread. If nino only knew what he hadth wrought Edited July 13, 2022 by KirbyTown LDarkseid1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcjames Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 11:17 AM, KirbyTown said: Many people are driven to own "the best" of whatever they're interested in. In this case, the perceived scarcity of a 9.8 relative to lower grades is the driver of the demand. Whether that scarcity is manufactured is of course up for debate... There are over twice as many Spawn #1 9.8's as there are 9.6's, yet the 9.8 goes for more than double what the 9.6 goes for. Heck, there's more 9.8's than there are all other grades combined! Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
