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[Prince Namor]

People paid $35 for this? Man these small market creators are getting smarter and smarter. Make all the money up front! Brilliant!

[Dr. Balls]

On 11/1/2022 at 11:03 PM, Prince Namor said:

That's some revisionist history there. The X-Men came out in July of 1963 - the Civil Rights protests really didn't start until about a year later. 

And it's weird to equate some parallel with it, while having an all-white team.

I could see that they might want to draw some parallels with it, while not alienating their demographic - hence the homogenous team roster . I agree there is some revisionist history going on, but I would also say that it could be pretty ingenious to address the issue, but change the subject matter around to make it a story that their current readership might latch onto.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 11/2/2022 at 1:03 AM, Prince Namor said:

That's some revisionist history there. The X-Men came out in July of 1963 - the Civil Rights protests really didn't start until about a year later. 

And it's weird to equate some parallel with it, while having an all-white team.

Rosa Parks was 1955. Sit-ins and Freedom Rides were late '50s-very early '60s. 

[nines]

On 11/2/2022 at 10:00 AM, Dr. Balls said:

I could see that they might want to draw some parallels with it, while not alienating their demographic - hence the homogenous team roster . I agree there is some revisionist history going on, but I would also say that it could be pretty ingenious to address the issue, but change the subject matter around to make it a story that their current readership might latch onto.

I think Stan did a great job illustrating the issue in the tribulations of Ben Grimm. And Peter Parker, to a different extent. IMO The X-Men were a different dynamic. I think the world objected them for the same reasons they were objecting nuclear power. There is great ability in them but there is also the chance of complete meltdown. I think that is more legitimate concern, than baseless prejudice. 

Edited November 2, 2022 by nines

[Dr. Balls]

On 11/2/2022 at 12:23 PM, nines said:

I think Stan did a great job illustrating the issue in the tribulations of Ben Grimm. And Peter Parker, to a different extent. IMO The X-Men were a different dynamic. I think the world objected them for the same reasons they were objecting nuclear power. There is great ability there in them but there is also the chance of complete meltdown. I think that is more legitimate concern than unfounded prejudice. 

I think either way, it's kinda cool to look back at how they addressed very adult topics in comic books and managed to weave them into our collective comic book conscious. I think I enjoy all the commentary they tried to tie into their stories, with Silver Surfer and Warlock being my personal favorites.

It would be interesting to hear from the older crowd who bought these when they came out if they felt the commentary was heavy handed at the time. It's easy for us to think that new comics are trying to force feed us editorial viewpoints because of our current climate - I would love to hear if old timers thought books like X-Men, Surfer or Luke Cage (or their DC counterparts, which I am not familiar with) were a good read or if they felt those books were too "woke" for them at the time.

[Aman619]

The XMen back then read as just "mutants" with superpowers.  A variation on the event origins that all the other superheroes got their powers.  But basically more superhero stories with the Marvel twist that they were feared as "different" and not idolized like JLA heroes always were.  For me the biggest comics story of that time for "relevance" was GL 76.  When Hal is berated for helping all them green skins etc everywhere while never caring about black skins right here at home.  That was a gut punch reality check that really rang true. In my recollection, no other comics stories tackled current events head on like that series at all, besides references to popular culture icons, presidents, NASA program etc,

Edited November 2, 2022 by Aman619

[Aman619]

there was no concept of woke in the 60s/70s of course.  IMO "woke now refers to "aw come on enough already" to many people, and conversely, the near end to unfinished business of everyone's rights being addressed. Its a hard sell right now in the 2020s especially with everything else going on.

[ADAMANTIUM]

Idk where all this "started", but even in the 80s I saw the X-men as a divide racially. Even with the 1st couple of episodes it was beast in court saying if "they were pricked, do they not bleed?"

Idk about before the 80s or "history revision" but safe to say, it's probably been thought of as such by most longer than the 17 years before "revision." 

[Aman619]

It never occurred to me at all in the 60s.  Of course I got bored with XMen pretty quickly and just kept buying each issue up to 50 then quit with a round number for good.  By the 80s comics were in a very different more relevant place than early on.  I love that Shakespeare quote.  But I know it from the Jack Benny film that Mel Brooks remade:  "To Be or Not to  Be"!

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 11/2/2022 at 5:17 PM, Aman619 said:

It never occurred to me at all in the 60s.  Of course I got bored with XMen pretty quickly and just kept buying each issue up to 50 then quit with a round number for good.  By the 80s comics were in a very different more relevant place than early on.  I love that Shakespeare quote.  But I know it from the Jack Benny film that Mel Brooks remade:  "To Be or Not to  Be"!

Jack Benny is a name not often mentioned. I had a tape of the bickersons, not Benny, that I found from when I was young. It was on tape, but a couple years ago when I found it I listened to it everytime I did dishes, then it broke.

Edited November 2, 2022 by ADAMANTIUM

[Aman619]

On 11/2/2022 at 6:21 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Jack Benny is a name not often mentioned. I had a tape of the bickersons, not Benny, that I found from when I was young. It was on tape, but a couple years ago when I found it I listened to it everytime I did dishes, then it broke.

funny coincidence.  when I catalogued all the moderns, I used an app with tons of old radio shows. free!  Called "OTR Streamer."  and The Jack Benny show kept me laughing out loud at some of his bits. His drollness and over confidence works for me.  I also made it through the entire Gunsmoke series, 15 years worth.

gee (as Benny would say) I guess maybe it took me a lot longer than I seem to remember to get through all those long boxes!!

Edited November 2, 2022 by Aman619

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 11/2/2022 at 5:29 PM, Aman619 said:

funny coincidence.  when I catalogued all the moderns, I used an app with tons of old radio shows. free!  Called "OTR Streamer."  and The Jack Benny show kept me laughing out loud at some of his bits. His drollness and over confidence works for me.  I also made it through the entire Gunsmoke series, 15 years worth.

gee (as Benny would say) I guess maybe it took me a lot longer than I seem to remember to get through all those long boxes!!

 

[Terry JSA]

 

[D84]

Tried to order, but the website is buggy. It keeps saying the free bookmark is sold out but won't let me remove it from my cart. So, I empty the cart and start over. Same problem.

I liked issue 1, but the bugs should have been worked out for the second campaign. 

[D84]

They fixed the glitch and I was able to order issue 2.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 11/2/2022 at 2:30 PM, Dr. Balls said:

I think either way, it's kinda cool to look back at how they addressed very adult topics in comic books and managed to weave them into our collective comic book conscious. I think I enjoy all the commentary they tried to tie into their stories, with Silver Surfer and Warlock being my personal favorites.

It would be interesting to hear from the older crowd who bought these when they came out if they felt the commentary was heavy handed at the time. It's easy for us to think that new comics are trying to force feed us editorial viewpoints because of our current climate - I would love to hear if old timers thought books like X-Men, Surfer or Luke Cage (or their DC counterparts, which I am not familiar with) were a good read or if they felt those books were too "woke" for them at the time.

We know from Stan himself that some fans did feel that way. But it would be hard to determine how prevalent that opinion was.

[Aman619]

when did Stan write this?  I dont recall any "woke" comics stories until 1970, Black GL, drug stories, Lois Lane is black etc.   Most dont realize that the 60s didnt happen until the 70s for 90% of America.  The Summer of Love was 1968 and Woodstock was 1969.  It was the early 70s when everybody started wearing bellbottoms and wild clothes (by everybody I mean all generations!). This is when "free Love" went mainstream too.  Stories of car key swapping parties.  Divorces were way up too as middle aged men and women questioned their boring straight-laced trapped lives. The sexual revolution spread all across the country.  So did porn after Deep Throat and videocassettes.  In fact being woke started 70 years ago with the Civil Rights marches. Accepting the radical concept that all minorities races and lifestyles deserve respect and acceptance went from Civil Rights, the sexual revolution, to Womens Lib, to Gay rights.  30 years later laws were passed protecting them, and all heck broke loose going the other way again.  Time to go back to sleep (to be NOT awakened from the old status quo).

or is all the above too woke in 2023?  or the Boards?

I dont read todays comics but hav heard about all the stunts they've tried out recently.  Some sound dumb, but they are stunts, geared just to get attention, Anything to drum up sales.

[Aman619]

to answer the question, though, it didnt feel heavy handed.  These were few and far between, and the issues they dealt with were pretty universally accepted I most parts, especially the cities where comics sold the most copies.  The NYT ran a piece in the magazine section about "relevant comics" in the early 70s.  Sgt Rock "Make War No More" slogans on every cover and stories of the gore and inhumanity of war. 

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 6/12/2023 at 10:26 PM, Aman619 said:

when did Stan write this?  I dont recall any "woke" comics stories until 1970, Black GL, drug stories, Lois Lane is black etc.   Most dont realize that the 60s didnt happen until the 70s for 90% of America.  The Summer of Love was 1968 and Woodstock was 1969.  It was the early 70s when everybody started wearing bellbottoms and wild clothes (by everybody I mean all generations!). This is when "free Love" went mainstream too.  Stories of car key swapping parties.  Divorces were way up too as middle aged men and women questioned their boring straight-laced trapped lives. The sexual revolution spread all across the country.  So did porn after Deep Throat and videocassettes.  In fact being woke started 70 years ago with the Civil Rights marches. Accepting the radical concept that all minorities races and lifestyles deserve respect and acceptance went from Civil Rights, the sexual revolution, to Womens Lib, to Gay rights.  30 years later laws were passed protecting them, and all heck broke loose going the other way again.  Time to go back to sleep (to be NOT awakened from the old status quo).

or is all the above too woke in 2023?  or the Boards?

I dont read todays comics but hav heard about all the stunts they've tried out recently.  Some sound dumb, but they are stunts, geared just to get attention, Anything to drum up sales.

1970. The source indicated it was in Avengers 74

[Aman619]

On 6/13/2023 at 9:59 AM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

1970. The source indicated it was in Avengers 74

Oops. Guess my speed reading courses didn’t work out.