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[MGH]

On 8/23/2022 at 9:03 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

So the qualified label is simply to ignore the new staple holes?  Being an after market modification, I think it would make more sense to ignore the acetate cover altogether, along with the damage caused by applying it.  Just grade the book underneath, and that’s the qualified grade.

Seems like that's their position they are walking back to.   Certainly aren't going back to where it should be in my opinion ( the fact they have to qualify that the whole book is graded is a head scratcher)  

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 8/22/2022 at 9:09 PM, MGH said:

Seems like that's their position they are walking back to.   Certainly aren't going back to where it should be in my opinion ( the fact they have to qualify that the whole book is graded is a head scratcher)  

By grading the acetate...they are able to bring the grade up on the actual book. 
 

Why wait forever to have your books pressed....

Want a grade 

Just acetate!!!

Edited August 23, 2022 by THE_BEYONDER

[Darkmind]

On 8/22/2022 at 4:57 PM, CGC Mike said:

We appreciate everyone being patient with our follow-up regarding the Clayton Crain acetate covers. After discussions this past week, CGC will assign a Qualified Signature Series label to comics that contain an acetate cover by Mr. Crain, as well as his signature that has been witnessed by a CGC representative. This also applies to the Ultimate Fallout: Facsimile Edition #4 that sold in C2E2. The grade assigned will take into consideration the grade of the acetate cover as well as the interior book.  For members who have already submitted copies of the Ultimate Fallout issue to CGC, we will extend an opportunity to have Mr. Crain’s signature applied to their copies so they receive the Qualified Signature Series label. If a copy does not exhibit Mr. Crain’s witnessed signature, the book will receive a qualified grade. 

Going forward, CGC will only certify artist-created covers that are first approved by CGC, and those covers must be signed by the artist through the Signature Series program to receive the Qualified Signature Series label. The cover must be created by a published artist.

How about an opportunity to cancel? 

I called requesting an appeal to cancel after submitting from the C2E2 booth after finding out everything that had taken place.  Have not been advised since.  And have not been spoken to about Crain's witnessed signature being added to the books.

[Buzzetta]

On 8/22/2022 at 9:12 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

By grading the acetate...they are able to bring the grade up on the actual book. 
 

Why wait forever to have your books pressed....

Want a grade 

Just acetate!!!

I still say the books should be given a NG designation since the books are being passed off as something they are not as they are not authorized variants from the publisher and have the same internal serial number as the non altered copies.

However, I can settle on a green label for these books. 

[Gaard]

While I agree that what was said is good news, I wholeheartedly disagree that this was a "proper response" by CGC. Far from complete. Only focusing on the future...

"will assign"

"will take into consideration"

"going forward"

"will only certify"

...and not addressing any of the past decisions/doings. And there are many questions about these past decisions/doings that CGC seems to have decided to never respond to. Oh well, it's not like we don't know what happened or why. We didn't get the full story, but what we got is positive. So there's that. I'll give them a head nod for the response they gave, but not an applause.

 

 

[ThatNerdyCanuck]

I am stunned CGC made the right move here. Props and heck of a job to everyone for keeping on this 

[Ron C.]

This is the correct response! Thank you.

[Ninja0215]

On 8/22/2022 at 7:20 PM, CameronWV said:

Good stuff CGC. You've restored a little faith that i had lost 

Same, I was about done 

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 8/22/2022 at 9:17 PM, Buzzetta said:

I still say the books should be given a NG designation since the books are being passed off as something they are not as they are not authorized variants from the publisher and have the same internal serial number as the non altered copies.

However, I can settle on a green label for these books. 

Why on earth are people stapling acetate covers onto comics anyway?    
 

Of course the answer is money.

That stapling Acetate covers onto pre-existing books can actually make you money....

Is the first sign of the coming comic apocalypse.

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 8/22/2022 at 8:25 PM, Gaard said:

While I agree that what was said is good news, I wholeheartedly disagree that this was a "proper response" by CGC. Far from complete. Only focusing on the future...

"will assign"

"will take into consideration"

"going forward"

"will only certify"

...and not addressing any of the past decisions/doings. And there are many questions about these past decisions/doings that CGC seems to have decided to never respond to. Oh well, it's not like we don't know what happened or why. We didn't get the full story, but what we got is positive. So there's that. I'll give them a head nod for the response they gave, but not an applause.

 

 

I keep seeing this mentioned but do you expect cgc to use their lawyer to declassify what they've already certified?  Forcing black flag or the parties involved to be refunded? Or just say, you paid for this but we changed our minds and here are your slabbing fees back, when they were already graded when available for sale?

Cause that is what it would take to do what your asking...

[Atomic Ponkie]

On 8/22/2022 at 1:57 PM, CGC Mike said:

We appreciate everyone being patient with our follow-up regarding the Clayton Crain acetate covers. After discussions this past week, CGC will assign a Qualified Signature Series label to comics that contain an acetate cover by Mr. Crain, as well as his signature that has been witnessed by a CGC representative. This also applies to the Ultimate Fallout: Facsimile Edition #4 that sold in C2E2. The grade assigned will take into consideration the grade of the acetate cover as well as the interior book.  For members who have already submitted copies of the Ultimate Fallout issue to CGC, we will extend an opportunity to have Mr. Crain’s signature applied to their copies so they receive the Qualified Signature Series label. If a copy does not exhibit Mr. Crain’s witnessed signature, the book will receive a qualified grade. 

Going forward, CGC will only certify artist-created covers that are first approved by CGC, and those covers must be signed by the artist through the Signature Series program to receive the Qualified Signature Series label. The cover must be created by a published artist.

@CGC Mikewill you be recalling all copies that have been given a blue label or no?

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 8/22/2022 at 8:42 PM, Atomic Ponkie said:

@CGC Mikewill you be recalling all copies that have been given a blue label or no?

How could cgc legally do that?

[ADAMANTIUM]

I'm guessing cgc has to choose who they royally p off   after they already have a lot of people

[ADAMANTIUM]

I'm just saying if you retain a million dollar lawyer or whatever how do you not ask him to advise in a situation with businesses, as oppose to the lay person.

I'm sure cgc hands are tied, and we'll never know how heartfelt or lengthy they'd have gone to, to recant

[I like pie]

On 8/22/2022 at 7:26 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

What about all the Blue label copies already in the marketplace?

There are only about 10 on the census now. I'm sure there's a bunch at CGC now though. Those people are going to be pissed when they get their green labels back.

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 8/22/2022 at 8:51 PM, I like pie said:

There are only about 10 on the census now. I'm sure there's a bunch at CGC now though. Those people are going to be pissed when they get their green labels back.

Lol what's 10 more, might as well make it retroactive then, maybe

[fastballspecial]

Took 192 pages, but progress on something that shouldn't have took so much pressure.
It should have been obvious from the start. Not rubbing it in, but it shows the right
pressure does get a response.

 

 

[fastballspecial]

On 8/22/2022 at 8:13 PM, Darkmind said:

How about an opportunity to cancel? 

I called requesting an appeal to cancel after submitting from the C2E2 booth after finding out everything that had taken place.  Have not been advised since.  And have not been spoken to about Crain's witnessed signature being added to the books.

How is your risk any different than anyone else when they submit?  

[thehumantorch]

On 8/22/2022 at 6:13 PM, Buzzetta said:

Good to hear that CGC is doing the right thing especially after reading what the competition did to one of their biggest submitters, Clan McDonald Comics, breaking the chain of custody on 367 books and losing them. 

Do tell?

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 8/22/2022 at 9:51 PM, I like pie said:

There are only about 10 on the census now. I'm sure there's a bunch at CGC now though. Those people are going to be pissed when they get their green labels back.

I thought 30 were already on the census.

Have they been removing them?