Paypal institutes $2500 fine for anyone who promotes "misinformation" and then pulls the rule after massive public backlash. 8 8

[kav]

On 10/10/2022 at 6:02 PM, jaybuck43 said:

Paypal does, which is why, as i've said, there is an issue with their ability to act unilaterally.  I have no issue with them throwing you off the platform (i.e. we don't want to do business with the God Hates F**s crew)  I DO have an issue with them fining the God Hates F**s crew without due process.

can a company just do this?  like you buy a car and put on a bumper sticker they think is misinformation and just take $2500 from you?  It seems bizarre.

[CAHokie]

On 10/10/2022 at 9:00 PM, jaybuck43 said:

I don't think they're going to see any noticeable cancellation numbers

I think there might be a higher number than you think. What would be noticeable? 

[kav]

The whole misinformation thing is straight out of the old soviet union playbook.  guess what misinformation is protected speech too.  

[jaybuck43]

On 10/10/2022 at 9:06 PM, CAHokie said:

I think there might be a higher number than you think. What would be noticeable? 

For THIS issue?  I'd need to see at least a 10 million user net loss.  They added 13 million users from June-September.  13 million users from September-December.  Then held steady at that 426 million since.

[jaybuck43]

On 10/10/2022 at 9:08 PM, kav said:

The whole misinformation thing is straight out of the old soviet union playbook.  guess what misinformation is protected speech too.  

Just remember, "protected speech" only applies to government actors.  Paypal is not a governmental or quasi governmental actor.  

[jsilverjanet]

I’m not canceling 

if I cancelled every business that made a mistake in their history, there wouldn’t be a lot of options 

 

[jaybuck43]

On 10/10/2022 at 9:13 PM, jsilverjanet said:

I’m not canceling 

if I cancelled every business that made a mistake in their history, there wouldn’t be a lot of options 

 

I'm canceling you because your new avatar is freaking me out  

[Sigur Ros]

On 10/10/2022 at 6:53 PM, jsilverjanet said:

Paypal cancelled because they tried to cancel people who are against the cancel culture

Lol.. They weren't cancelled.

Airing a grievance and discontinuing usage is not canceling.

Canceling is when on top of that, you keep whining and crying and screaming that they should be put out of business and people lose their livelihoods.

 

[CAHokie]

I canceled because they left me with two options to believe. They are either incompetent or they tried to slip something past people. Either way I don’t trust you any more to have my bank information.

I don’t consider this a “mistake.” A team of lawyers reviewed that language and someone approved the send button being pushed. 

[Sigur Ros]

On 10/10/2022 at 7:24 PM, jaybuck43 said:

I believe it would be going after people who sell solutions. So for instance there are several books that claim to tell you how to “cure” autism with a bleach solution or chelation. This is dangerous misinformation. (Children have died from parents following this information). So if I sold this stuff on my website (since Amazon has delisted these books) and use PayPal as a payment processor, they can “fine” me $2500 per instance, at their discretion. 
 

As I said earlier, theoretically good intention, but problematic without due process.

No.  It's about being on the wrong side politically.  There are some notable groups that have been kicked off PayPal because they were against things that are going on with minors/schools/hospitals.

I will avoid politics.  But it's not about cures.

[jsilverjanet]

Where’s that violin emoji 

[Sigur Ros]

On 10/10/2022 at 9:23 PM, CAHokie said:

I canceled because they left me with two options to believe. They are either incompetent or they tried to slip something past people. Either way I don’t trust you any more to have my bank information.

I don’t consider this a “mistake.” A team of lawyers reviewed that language and someone approved the send button being pushed. 

Bingo.  They simply got caught.

Once this dies down, they'll find a different way of phrasing it and try again.

In the meantime...

[Humpty-Dumpty]

On 10/10/2022 at 6:02 PM, jaybuck43 said:

Paypal does, which is why, as i've said, there is an issue with their ability to act unilaterally.  I have no issue with them throwing you off the platform (i.e. we don't want to do business with the God Hates F**s crew)  I DO have an issue with them fining the God Hates F**s crew without due process.

I have an issue with both. To be clear, I do not condone the Gd hates fgs language. However, we are heading toward a slippery slope when they can decide what free speech is. It also is creeping fascism. 

[Humpty-Dumpty]

On 10/10/2022 at 6:13 PM, jsilverjanet said:

I’m not canceling 

if I cancelled every business that made a mistake in their history, there wouldn’t be a lot of options 

 

You call that a "mistake"? That was no mistake. 

[jsilverjanet]

On 10/10/2022 at 8:39 PM, Humpty-Dumpty said:

You call that a "mistake"? That was no mistake. 

Did I stutter?

[Humpty-Dumpty]

I am going to get thrown off of here eventually. The mod already gave me a point. I will say nothing and be happy is their motto. Oh wait, where wefks did I hear that before? 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Humpty-Dumpty
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[D84]

On 10/10/2022 at 8:40 PM, jsilverjanet said:

Did I stutter?

That's ableist.

[Humpty-Dumpty]

On 10/10/2022 at 6:40 PM, jsilverjanet said:

Did I stutter?

Your voice is muffled under your facial mask. Let us see you.

[CAHokie]

On 10/10/2022 at 9:40 PM, jsilverjanet said:

Did I stutter?

Nope, I heard your misinformation perfectly!  
 

Edit: That will be $2500 please.

Edited October 11, 2022 by CAHokie

[Sigur Ros]

On 10/10/2022 at 9:46 PM, CAHokie said:

Nope, I heard your misinformation perfectly!  
 

Edit: That will be $2500 please.

Oh, they don't ask.  They just take it  ;)