Does an unverified signature bring down the grade? 1 1

[DoctorWyoming1]

I assume that it does, my question is how much the unverified signature brings down the grade.

 

I have an ASM 1 with two Stan signatures that were verified by PGX.

 

 

[revat]

Yes if you want blue label.  But the lower the grade the less the impact 

 

If you want green label the signatures are ignored 

[KCOComics]

A picture would be helpful. 

There are a number of factors to consider, as revat mentioned, but the short answer is yes.

 

[theCapraAegagrus]

In most grades, yes, a cover signature will reduce the grade.

[DougC]

There are other options for unverified signatures that have a better seller outcome. IMO you should very rarely send a non-witnessed signature to be graded.

[DoctorWyoming1]

On 3/28/2023 at 6:43 AM, KCOComics said:

A picture would be helpful. 

There are a number of factors to consider, as revat mentioned, but the short answer is yes.

 

Here are the pix. There are two signatures, cover and first page, which I think would further bring down the grade.

 

I really really prefer CGC but at least CBCS verifies signatures. 

 

It was in another company's slab at at 8.0, restored.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2023 by DoctorWyoming1
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[theCapraAegagrus]

On 3/28/2023 at 10:02 AM, DoctorWyoming1 said:

Here are the pix. There are two signatures, cover and first page, which I think would further bring down the grade.

 

I really really prefer CGC but at least CBCS verifies signatures. 

 

When it was in a PGX case:

 

And close up 

 

Not allowed to post non-CGC slabs on the forums. I would edit your post to remove the PGX picture. (Keep the pictures that don't show the label.)

[KCOComics]

I'm confused,  did you already have it graded by cgc? 

Edited March 28, 2023 by KCOComics

[DougC]

Edit the picture to put a black box over the PGX label.

 

Also the signature is not what is going to hurt this book the trimmed edges are.  This would be a good candidate for a different option though. Leave the book raw (keep the labels) and have JSA issue an authentication letter. You can keep the book in an archival mylar for show without the resto being front and center and it will be authenticated by a trusted third party.

[DoctorWyoming1]

On 3/28/2023 at 10:32 AM, KCOComics said:

I'm confused,  did you already have it graded by cgc? 

It was in a slab from a company that is not considered to be the gold standard for grading. I had it sent to CGC and slabbed, went down from an 8.0 to a 5.5. I wanted to know how much of that change was due to CGC's refusal to verify signatures, leading them to interpret Stan Lee's signature x2 as a child's scribble.

Edited March 28, 2023 by DoctorWyoming1

[DoctorWyoming1]

On 3/28/2023 at 11:03 AM, DougC said:

 

Also the signature is not what is going to hurt this book the trimmed edges are.  This would be a good candidate for a different option though. Leave the book raw (keep the labels) and have JSA issue an authentication letter. You can keep the book in an archival mylar for show without the resto being front and center and it will be authenticated by a trusted third party.

Thanks for this advice, but the restoration label didn't bother me that much as I got this book at a nice price. I had hopes that CGC would see it at least as a 7.0, making it a steal considering what I paid for it. I was a bit disappointed in this grade and was hoping that part of the downgrade was due to the signatures.

 

And I will admit that I am big on completing a 1-100 ASM run on the registry and this was my way to get a nice looking copy of a number 1, instead of something at a 1.8 or 2.0 that looked as if it were going to fall to pieces if you picked up the slab more than once. 

[revat]

On 3/28/2023 at 10:14 AM, DoctorWyoming1 said:

Thanks for this advice, but the restoration label didn't bother me that much as I got this book at a nice price. I had hopes that CGC would see it at least as a 7.0, making it a steal considering what I paid for it. I was a bit disappointed in this grade and was hoping that part of the downgrade was due to the signatures.

 

And I will admit that I am big on completing a 1-100 ASM run on the registry and this was my way to get a nice looking copy of a number 1, instead of something at a 1.8 or 2.0 that looked as if it were going to fall to pieces if you picked up the slab more than once. 

Yah that’s a big bold whopping sig on the cover covering some of the cover art. It could easily knock off 1-2 points

[DoctorWyoming1]

On 3/28/2023 at 1:57 PM, Nevah said:

What does the grade matter, it's trimmed on all 3 sides 

You do realize that people buy restored books and that some are better than others? 

 

 

[DoctorWyoming1]

On 3/28/2023 at 1:30 PM, revat said:

Yah that’s a big bold whopping sig on the cover covering some of the cover art. It could easily knock off 1-2 points

Thanks for that confirmation! 

[DoctorWyoming1]

On 3/28/2023 at 9:39 PM, Nevah said:

You do realize that it doesnt matter if this book is a "9.4" or a "1.0", it's still trimmed on all three sides 

Sure, because the quality of the rest of the book doesn't matter at all. 

 

 

[Axe Elf]

At least it's not trimmed on all four sides.

[DoctorWyoming1]

On 3/29/2023 at 1:10 PM, Axe Elf said:

At least it's not trimmed on all four sides.

It may be if we looked at it from the fifth dimension.

Anyway, as soon as someone is willing to sell me a restored 9.4 copy at a FMV of a 1.0, I'll agree that it makes no difference. 

Edited March 30, 2023 by DoctorWyoming1