Nominating BlackOut21 7 7

[Funnybooks]

On 4/22/2023 at 8:23 AM, BlackOut21 said:

Matt, I’ve tried to work with you on this. I do not believe it was unreasonable for me to ask you cover shipping charges on a sale that has a no return policy. I believe we both have some fault in this sale. I lost money from PayPal fees and shipping supplies and more importantly it took a significant amount of time to get you packed up and shipped out. So asking for some assistance on the shipping did not seem reasonable, especially on a sale that had a no return policy. 

Unfortunately, you have kind of screwed me by making this public. We should have kept this matter private a bit longer. With that said, the damages of you making this public have already been done and until you are able to rectify making this public I will need to stay firm on my most recent return decision. 

I do hope/believe we can find a way past all this and look forward to hopefully moving in that direction. 

Thanks. 

a no return policy does not absolve you from misrepresenting or changing the condition of a sale. Argument is weak.

Based on your first reply to this matter, this will not bode well for you in the end.

Edited April 22, 2023 by Funnybooks

[SkOw]

On 4/22/2023 at 8:23 AM, BlackOut21 said:

Matt, I’ve tried to work with you on this. I do not believe it was unreasonable for me to ask you cover shipping charges on a sale that has a no return policy. I believe we both have some fault in this sale. I lost money from PayPal fees and shipping supplies and more importantly it took a significant amount of time to get you packed up and shipped out. So asking for some assistance on the shipping did not seem reasonable, especially on a sale that had a no return policy. 

Unfortunately, you have kind of screwed me by making this public. We should have kept this matter private a bit longer. With that said, the damages of you making this public have already been done and until you are able to rectify making this public I will need to stay firm on my most recent return decision. 

I do hope/believe we can find a way past all this and look forward to hopefully moving in that direction. 

Thanks. 

Blackout - Why don't we do this then?  You have a chance to make this right and honor the refund today as some posters above mentioned with a 330 dollar partial paypal refund.  If you do that I will gladly close this thread down, will let everyone know you made it right, AND I will also make you another offer.  I'll be at Motor City Comic Con, Heroes Comic Con, and am in heavy negotiations with the Mrs to be able to attend Fan Expo Chicago (and maybe Baltimore, but I don't want to push my luck!)  If you can attend any of those shows this year I will offer you my hand in friendship and we can squash this thing once and for all.  Totally fine if you don't ever want to do business together, offer of a handshake still stands.

[Buzzetta]

On 4/22/2023 at 8:23 AM, BlackOut21 said:

Matt, I’ve tried to work with you on this. I do not believe it was unreasonable for me to ask you cover shipping charges on a sale that has a no return policy. I believe we both have some fault in this sale. I lost money from PayPal fees and shipping supplies and more importantly it took a significant amount of time to get you packed up and shipped out. So asking for some assistance on the shipping did not seem reasonable, especially on a sale that had a no return policy. 

Unfortunately, you have kind of screwed me by making this public. We should have kept this matter private a bit longer. With that said, the damages of you making this public have already been done and until you are able to rectify making this public I will need to stay firm on my most recent return decision. 

I do hope/believe we can find a way past all this and look forward to hopefully moving in that direction. 

Thanks. 

 

It is very unreasonable to ask a buyer to cover return shipping for a product you did not ever ship to him.   Your losing money in PayPal fees and shipping supplies is a problem on your end in so far as your bad business acumen compounded by either pulling a "bait and switch" or trying to reneg on the deal as you were packing the items up readying them for shipment.

You claiming damages for making this public is like the murderer or a drunk driver crying foul because they posted his mugshot in the paper. 

My heart fricken bleeds for you. 

Get off the keyboard suck it up and make your deal right.  We have all made mistakes when selling. The difference between those that are here and those that are not is that those that remained honored their word and learned how to do better then next time. 

Seriously.  He screwed you?  You screwed yourself. 

[Ryan.]

On 4/22/2023 at 8:33 AM, Number 6 said:

A “no returns” policy does not identify you from failing to deliver what you agreed on.

Asking the buyer to cover ALL the shipping costs is not “some assistance”. 
 

It is unreasonable to expecting the buyer to cover all the shipping costs when those costs amount to $100-200 and the issue is YOU failing to deliver what you agreed on originally, honor the original refund offer YOU made or send the rest of the books YOU originally promised. 

Indemnify 

[Ryan.]

On 4/22/2023 at 8:23 AM, BlackOut21 said:

until you are able to rectify making this public

Matt, I have just the solution for this.

[mytastebud]

On 4/22/2023 at 5:23 AM, BlackOut21 said:

Matt, I’ve tried to work with you on this. I do not believe it was unreasonable for me to ask you cover shipping charges on a sale that has a no return policy. I believe we both have some fault in this sale. I lost money from PayPal fees and shipping supplies and more importantly it took a significant amount of time to get you packed up and shipped out. So asking for some assistance on the shipping did not seem reasonable, especially on a sale that had a no return policy. 

Unfortunately, you have kind of screwed me by making this public. We should have kept this matter private a bit longer. With that said, the damages of you making this public have already been done and until you are able to rectify making this public I will need to stay firm on my most recent return decision. 

I do hope/believe we can find a way past all this and look forward to hopefully moving in that direction. 

Thanks. 

I think this confirms Skow is completely in the right. A buyer has no fault in this. He paid for product and what was being offered by this seller. Skow did the right thing in making this public too. He presented it to peers humbly and opened himself and the purchase to public scrutiny. 

BlackOut21 do the right thing by Skow and either take the return and refund Skow in full or give him a substantial partial refund for the LONG BOX claim.

[Gaard]

Paraphrasing what @BlackOut21 said ...

"I totally stole your money. But you complained about it so I'm going to keep it."

[KCOComics]

On 4/22/2023 at 8:23 AM, BlackOut21 said:

 

I do hope/believe we can find a way past all this and look forward to hopefully moving in that direction. 

Thanks. 

I can think of one way past this...  

Matt didn't do anything wrong in making this public. This is the course of action to help settle disputes. You have every right to defend your position as well.  

My advice is the path of least resistance. You all agreed to a reasonable outcome. It seems like that got held up because of a personal frustration that have nothing to do with the transaction. 

My advice is to move forward with the agreed upon resolution and put this to bed. 

And, I'll be honest...  mistakes happen and mystery boxes cause mysterious problems, which is why they aren't allowed. If you make things right,  I would still buy books from you and I'm sure others would too. 

It's really about showing the community you'll work to make it right and follow through. 

[Number 6]

On 4/22/2023 at 5:43 AM, Ryan. said:

Indemnify 

If you like that you should check out the grammar in the Movie Forum. 

[jimjum12]

This seems like a variation of the "mystery box" marketing dynamic, which makes the 'not as advertised ' argument difficult to flesh out. I've sold to SkOw multiple times and have even had to make the occasional concession when warranted. He's definitely not a chiseler looking for his next angle. Unfortunately for both parties, 190 books is just barely more than HALF of a packed long box. I would be annoyed as well and would feel hustled. Since it was clearly stated as "no returns", the only recourse is a Paypal reversal for not as described. According to my calculations, the payload was short by approximately 25% if the long box is sparingly assessed at 250 books per. A reputation is worth much more than 300 bucks, I would chalk it up as a lesson learned and make this right. As for making it public, there's no shame if nothing shameful is done. GOD BLESS .... 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

Edited April 22, 2023 by jimjum12

[Buzzetta]

On 4/22/2023 at 9:15 AM, jimjum12 said:

This seems like a variation of the "mystery box" marketing dynamic, which makes the 'not as advertised ' argument difficult to flesh out. I've sold to SkOw multiple times and have even had to make the occasional concession when warranted. He's definitely not a chiseler looking for his next angle. Unfortunately for both parties, 190 books is just barely more than HALF of a packed long box. I would be annoyed as well and would feel hustled. Since it was clearly stated as "no returns", the only recourse is a Paypal reversal for not as described. According to my calculations, the payload was short by approximately 25% if the long box is sparingly assessed at 250 books per. A reputation is worth much more than 300 books, I would chalk it up as a lesson learned and make this right. As for making it public, there's no shame if nothing shameful is done. GOD BLESS .... 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

But there is also the matter of books that were depicted as being part of the lot that were not included in the box on top of the quantity of books being of a smaller number than advertised. 

[BlackOut21]

On 4/22/2023 at 8:37 AM, SkOw said:

Blackout - Why don't we do this then?  You have a chance to make this right and honor the refund today as some posters above mentioned with a 330 dollar partial paypal refund.  If you do that I will gladly close this thread down, will let everyone know you made it right, AND I will also make you another offer.  I'll be at Motor City Comic Con, Heroes Comic Con, and am in heavy negotiations with the Mrs to be able to attend Fan Expo Chicago (and maybe Baltimore, but I don't want to push my luck!)  If you can attend any of those shows this year I will offer you my hand in friendship and we can squash this thing once and for all.  Totally fine if you don't ever want to do business together, offer of a handshake still stands.

Fair enough. Refund issued. I look forward to building our relationship and apologize for my part in all of this.

Thanks again. 

[Funnybooks]

[JollyComics]

On 4/22/2023 at 8:25 AM, BlackOut21 said:

Fair enough. Refund issued. I look forward to building our relationship and apologize for my part in all of this.

Thanks again. 

  Thanks for staying with us.

[jimjum12]

On 4/22/2023 at 9:25 AM, BlackOut21 said:

Fair enough. Refund issued. I look forward to building our relationship and apologize for my part in all of this.

Thanks again. 

... by the way, you do have some nice books. GOD BLESS ....

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

[WolverineX]

On 4/22/2023 at 9:25 AM, BlackOut21 said:

Fair enough. Refund issued. I look forward to building our relationship and apologize for my part in all of this.

Thanks again. 

Excellent. Glad to hear this was resolved.  

[Domo Arigato]

I wasn't mad before....but now I'm really pi**ed off.

I spent 20 minutes typing a magnificent and razor sharp reply on my stupid tablet.....submitted it......saw that the matter had already been resolved....and then had to delete it.

So.....who's going to reimburse me for my time now?

And if anyone says.....sorry, no returns.......I will seriously lose my sh*t on the whole lot of you.

 

[Funnybooks]

On 4/22/2023 at 9:49 AM, Domo Arigato said:

I wasn't mad before....but now I'm really pi**ed off.

I spent 20 minutes typing a magnificent and razor sharp reply on my stupid tablet.....submitted it......saw that the matter had already been resolved....and then had to delete it.

So.....who's going to reimburse me for my time now?

And if anyone says.....sorry, no returns.......I will seriously lose my sh*t on the whole lot of you.

 

[SkOw]

On 4/22/2023 at 9:49 AM, Domo Arigato said:

I wasn't mad before....but now I'm really pi**ed off.

I spent 20 minutes typing a magnificent and razor sharp reply on my stupid tablet.....submitted it......saw that the matter had already been resolved....and then had to delete it.

So.....who's going to reimburse me for my time now?

And if anyone says.....sorry, no returns.......I will seriously lose my sh*t on the whole lot of you.

 

I’ll reimburse you!  Do you like bananas

In all seriousness I really appreciate the time you took in this thread to help get it resolved, VERY appreciated!!

[SkOw]

On 4/22/2023 at 9:25 AM, BlackOut21 said:

Fair enough. Refund issued. I look forward to building our relationship and apologize for my part in all of this.

Thanks again. 

I want to publicly state that the refund was received and I’ve officially withdraw the probation request. 

Blackout did send a nice PM as well apologizing and I let him know that the offer for a handshake at a con is still on the table.