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[gumbydarnit]

For a hair under 4 million you could own Charles Schultz studio, looking at the pictures it seems like a great place to be creative.

Article- https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/cartoonist-charles-schulzs-sonoma-county-abode-lists

more cool photos on zillow (50) -

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/Sebastopol-CA-95472/15804859_zpid/

 

 

Edited July 4, 2023 by gumbydarnit

[Rick2you2]

Oh P’nutz?…..

[KirbyCollector]

On 7/4/2023 at 10:33 AM, gumbydarnit said:

For a hair under 4 million you could own Charles Schultz studio, looking at the pictures it seems like a great place to be creative.

Article- https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/cartoonist-charles-schulzs-sonoma-county-abode-lists

more cool photos on zillow (50) -

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/Sebastopol-CA-95472/15804859_zpid/

 

 

One of the more brilliant ideas of the French state was to allow heirs to donate an important artist's property to the nation in lieu of paying taxes, thus we can visit the preserved homes of Rodin,  Monet, Delacroix and many other artists and view their works in the settings in which they were created (and in some cases, stand in the actual studios). It is a shame this was not done for Schulz's home.

Edited July 4, 2023 by KirbyCollector

[batman_fan]

On 7/4/2023 at 10:04 AM, Rick2you2 said:

Oh P’nutz?…..

Its in CA so hard pass

[Sonic77]

Beautiful estate can easily see how it inspires creativity.  Super close to me as well.

[Bronty]

On 7/4/2023 at 12:05 PM, KirbyCollector said:

One of the more brilliant ideas of the French state was to allow heirs to donate an important artist's property to the nation in lieu of paying taxes, thus we can visit the preserved homes of Rodin,  Monet, Delacroix and many other artists and view their works in the settings in which they were created (and in some cases, stand in the actual studios). It is a shame this was not done for Schulz's home.

Well I can see that POV and I’m sure everyone on this board loves Schultz and all, but who decides who is important?   Do we need to spend $4m of taxpayer money to preserve the ability to look at Schultz’s kitchen cabinets?    Even if we all agree that Schultz would be a good use of $4m in the case of this particular proposal, who is going to be running the fund that makes those decisions?     Are we going to be preserving Thomas Kinkade’s toilet in a few years?    This strikes me as the kind of idea that sounds good on paper and doesn’t work out the way you intend in practice. 

[tth2]

On 7/5/2023 at 7:52 PM, Bronty said:

Are we going to be preserving Thomas Kinkade’s toilet in a few years?

They're preserving his art, so preserving his toilet would seem to be appropriate.

[Dr. Balls]

On 7/5/2023 at 5:52 AM, Bronty said:

Well I can see that POV and I’m sure everyone on this board loves Schultz and all, but who decides who is important?   Do we need to spend $4m of taxpayer money to preserve the ability to look at Schultz’s kitchen cabinets?    Even if we all agree that Schultz would be a good use of $4m in the case of this particular proposal, who is going to be running the fund that makes those decisions?     Are we going to be preserving Thomas Kinkade’s toilet in a few years?    This strikes me as the kind of idea that sounds good on paper and doesn’t work out the way you intend in practice. 

My guess is that there would have to be some sort of Schultz foundation or something that would have paid for the upkeep of his old residence had they chose not to sell it. In my experience, taxpayer dollars come in the form of grants for historic estates like that, and they don't necessarily cover the constant upkeep - and the estates usually have other ways of fundraising or have an on-site museum to entice tourists to visit, have gallery showings, etc.

If Schulz home is way far away, that's probably not conducive to build an entire museum around that residence. I live where C.M. Russell (important Western Art painter) lived and his home was preserved and museum was build around the same site (this was many, many years ago) - but it was smack in the center of town where everyone could visit it.

I constantly marvel at what tourists will take the time to go and visit. A Schultz museum would probably be a good idea to keep his estate and brand chugging along, but it can't be tucked away in the mountains. Especially in California, where it'd probably burn down in a few years.

Edited July 5, 2023 by Dr. Balls

[Bronty]

On 7/5/2023 at 10:12 AM, tth2 said:

They're preserving his art, so preserving his toilet would seem to be appropriate.

Tim, I literally threw that crack in there for you  

I'm glad you picked up on it.

[Bronty]

On 7/5/2023 at 10:27 AM, Dr. Balls said:

My guess is that there would have to be some sort of Schultz foundation or something that would have paid for the upkeep of his old residence had they chose not to sell it. In my experience, taxpayer dollars come in the form of grants for historic estates like that, and they don't necessarily cover the constant upkeep - and the estates usually have other ways of fundraising or have an on-site museum to entice tourists to visit, have gallery showings, etc.

If Schulz home is way far away, that's probably not conducive to build an entire museum around that residence. I live where C.M. Russell (important Western Art painter) lived and his home was preserved and museum was build around the same site (this was many, many years ago) - but it was smack in the center of town where everyone could visit it.

I constantly marvel at what tourists will take the time to go and visit. A Schultz museum would probably be a good idea to keep his estate and brand chugging along, but it can't be tucked away in the mountains. Especially in California, where it'd probably burn down in a few years.

Right, that's something I had in mind as well.   To my understanding Schulz's estate is extremely well funded so if they sold the property, it can't be all that great as a site.    Not to mention the fact that there already is a Schulz museum (in Santa Rosa from what I understand).    

So - I tend to agree that the idea would be questionable for this artist.

However I think the more important idea is that the whole concept of setting away these estates to be publicly owned in lieu of tax, is, well, a very French idea  if you ask me.   The devil is all over the details of schemes like this. 

(Just poking fun, Frenchies)...

Edited July 5, 2023 by Bronty

[Dr. Balls]

On 7/5/2023 at 8:45 AM, Bronty said:

However I think the more important idea is that the whole concept of setting away these estates to be publicly owned in lieu of tax, is, well, a very French idea  if you ask me.   The devil is all over the details of schemes like this. 

(Just poking fun, Frenchies)...

Yeah, I kind of grasped the idea you and KirbyCollector were pointing out with the French. I don't know the innerworkings, but I'm not in favor of that scenario. A little too much Socialism for me - but I'll concede there's a fine line between doing that with an artist's estate and our government buying forest acreage to keep private citizens from destroying it. Like you said: the devil is in the details.

This is an example of the fact that when you're dead - you're dead. Whatever happens to your estate, your home, etc has no effect on you at all. If they razed his home to the ground, the guy who would have cared the most is already in the grave.

[KirbyCollector]

Schulz was the greatest American cartoonist and the cultural and artistic legacy he left is still felt today; it is not a stretch to say he forms part of the definition of "Americana." In France they have always been much more aware of what constitutes their national heritage (patrimonie) and sought to preserve the artistic aspects; this allows one to connect through time, i.e., at Giverny one can see the same flowers that Monet used as his inspiration in the very same context (light, air, scents) that he did. It has the effect of taking you inside his process and thus bringing his paintings to the present era. I have visited at least a dozen such homes/studios in France and the effect is always the same and my appreciation for the art that much greater.

Norman Rockwell gifted his studio to his own museum. The curators later moved the building to the museum site, preserved it and it can be toured today because they recognized it had value beyond the four walls. To think the place where Charlie Brown, Snoopy and Lucy were created is now a bedroom is a lack of respect for our own culture.

Edited July 5, 2023 by KirbyCollector

[MattTheDuck]

On 7/5/2023 at 8:17 AM, KirbyCollector said:

what constitutes their national heritage (patrimonie)

The 1940 Armistice agreement they signed with Germany has a place of high honor, no doubt.

[Bronty]

On 7/5/2023 at 11:17 AM, KirbyCollector said:

Schulz was the greatest American cartoonist and the cultural and artistic legacy he left is still felt today; it is not a stretch to say he forms part of rhe definition of "Americana." In France they have always been much more aware of what constitutes their national heritage (patrimonie) and sought to preserve the artistic aspects; this allows one to connect through time, i.e., at Giverny one can see the same flowers that Monet used as his inspiration in the very same context (light, air, scents) that he did. It has the effect of taking you inside his process and thus bringing his paintings to the present era. I have visited at least a dozen such homes/studios in France and the effect is always the same and my appreciation for the art that much greater.

Norman Rockwell gifted his studio to his own museum. The curators later moved the building to the museum site, preserved it and it can be toured today because they recognized it had value beyond the four walls. To think the place where Charlie Brown, Snoopy and Lucy were created is now a bedroom is a lack of respect for our own culture.

You can respect Schulz's place in culture without needing the government to own his kitchen cabinets.

[Bronty]

I mean really, what are we talking about here?   I'm not familiar with the property, but I'm imagining a drawing table in the mountains.   So move the drawing table to the Santa Rosa museum.    

Just the exercise of passing a law and administrating it means this whole exercise costs far far more than $4m, by the way.   

[Dr. Balls]

On 7/5/2023 at 9:17 AM, KirbyCollector said:

Norman Rockwell gifted his studio to his own museum. The curators later moved the building to the museum site, preserved it and it can be toured today because they recognized it had value beyond the four walls. To think the place where Charlie Brown, Snoopy and Lucy were created is now a bedroom is a lack of respect for our own culture.

I could see moving his "stuff" and re-creating his studio at his museum (or even an addition) would be a viable alternative. I don't know the reasoning behind the estate selling off the home, but my guess is that it's a combination of selling it off for simplicity and perhaps that there isn't one person in the trust (assuming there's a trust involved with his family) who wants to buy it outright.

We bought our current house from a family trust where the builder of the house died, and the rest of the family in the trust didn't live here. It was a nice house, perfect for a family - but everyone already had their own lives in place. They just wanted to cash out and move on. Granted, it's not a house of a famous person, but the motivations are the same. Sometimes people don't view the cultural responsibility trumping their own personal needs. This is where I agree with KirbyCollector that it's nice to have someone/something step in to become the custodian of culturally historical "things" in our area of the world. I don't like the idea of it being our government and our tax dollars, but sometimes you can't count on private citizens who have these assets being able to see the forest for the trees. I think it's an even argument on both sides.

[KirbyCollector]

On 7/5/2023 at 11:50 AM, Bronty said:

I mean really, what are we talking about here?   I'm not familiar with the property, but I'm imagining a drawing table in the mountains.   So move the drawing table to the Santa Rosa museum.    

Just the exercise of passing a law and administrating it means this whole exercise costs far far more than $4m, by the way.   

Surely we can spend a small amount on our own heritage when we have sent $75 billion to Ukraine since Feb 2022

[Bronty]

On 7/5/2023 at 12:10 PM, KirbyCollector said:

Surely we can spend a small amount on our own heritage when we have sent $75 billion to Ukraine since Feb 2022

Oh come on.    Whether one believes the motivation to give money to Ukraine is in the name of charity, or national security, or both, they couldn't have less to do with drawing tables.   

You like Schulz and I commend you for your good taste.   His work is terrific.

 

[shadroch]

On 7/5/2023 at 8:17 AM, KirbyCollector said:

Schulz was the greatest American cartoonist and the cultural and artistic legacy he left is still felt today; it is not a stretch to say he forms part of the definition of "Americana." In France they have always been much more aware of what constitutes their national heritage (patrimonie) and sought to preserve the artistic aspects; this allows one to connect through time, i.e., at Giverny one can see the same flowers that Monet used as his inspiration in the very same context (light, air, scents) that he did. It has the effect of taking you inside his process and thus bringing his paintings to the present era. I have visited at least a dozen such homes/studios in France and the effect is always the same and my appreciation for the art that much greater.

Norman Rockwell gifted his studio to his own museum. The curators later moved the building to the museum site, preserved it and it can be toured today because they recognized it had value beyond the four walls. To think the place where Charlie Brown, Snoopy and Lucy were created is now a bedroom is a lack of respect for our own culture.

What do you think the room where Kirby did his work is being used for these days? Or the old Marvel Bullpen?  

[Transplant]

On 7/5/2023 at 9:12 AM, tth2 said:

On 7/5/2023 at 6:52 AM, Bronty said:

Are we going to be preserving Thomas Kinkade’s toilet in a few years?

They're preserving his art, so preserving his toilet would seem to be appropriate.

The Venn diagram of the two is a circle. 

Edited July 5, 2023 by Transplant