ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[sledgehammer]

On 2/4/2024 at 11:40 AM, EastEnd1 said:

On 2/4/2024 at 11:33 AM, topcat54 said:

Paul Lesko

He posted the lawsuit on his Twitter page I think it is close to all of it

 

The filing is 27 pages in total (comes up when you try to access on PACER).  Don't think he's covered all of it but maybe the most important parts.  

@comix4fun

Do you have access to this, Chris?

[awakeintheashes]

On 2/4/2024 at 12:43 PM, sledgehammer said:

@comix4fun

Do you have access to this, Chris?

Don’t ask me how I know, but I heard @bluehorseshoe does. 

Edited February 4 by awakeintheashes

[comicjel]

On 2/4/2024 at 12:20 PM, topcat54 said:

CGC alleges the Defendants recently became aware that their "fraudulent scheme was unraveling" so Zanello called CGC to "attempt to recover...three comic books that Defendants had recently submitted to CGC for reholdering." There are four calls; they're all recorded.

 

 

 

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This would "indirectly" imply that these guys did not have a go-to CGC insider... otherwise they would have had them pull the books - so there is that!

Unless the books were already toxic and being scrutinized by that time.

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[shadroch]

On 2/4/2024 at 10:39 AM, sledgehammer said:

No positive ID on her.

But Bill is going to figure out how he found an image on some site that identifies them both on facebook, any minute now.

No, I'm not.  I told you what I did, and the link it sent me to. From there, I've no idea what I clicked to get into the chain.  I found he played rugby for his schools, but I didn't see any individual pictures. I didn't find any current association with any NY-based rugby clubs, which isn't surprising as he is in his forties. From there, I linked a site about song memories.  If you somehow got the impression I was reconstructing my path through the rabbit hole, I apologize. 

I tried looking into some other connections that so far have turned up nothing. 

[THE_BEYONDER]

So now that we know the scammers skipped the reholder part of the scam at times, will CGC be issuing a new list?

[EastEnd1]

On 2/4/2024 at 12:39 PM, awakeintheashes said:

Yeah, and I think that’s the Comic Book Station owner taking the selfie. 

This pic is making me think of that photo someone posted a while back from one of Comic Book Station's social media accounts showing comic books displayed next to what appear to be a heat gun and a trimming table...

[mrd160]

On 2/4/2024 at 12:52 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

So now that we know the scammers skipped the reholder part of the scam at times, will CGC be issuing a new list?

[comicjel]

On 2/4/2024 at 12:52 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

So now that we know the scammers skipped the reholder part of the scam at times, will CGC be issuing a new list?

I guess the question is, will CGC feel any responsibility for the books that were just swapped out without being reholdered??

[comix4fun]

On 2/4/2024 at 11:43 AM, sledgehammer said:

@comix4fun

Do you have access to this, Chris?

Probably not until I get to the office tomorrow. But I can see if one of my partners went in today 

[shadroch]

On 2/4/2024 at 10:46 AM, comicjel said:

This would "indirectly" imply that these guys did not have a go-to CGC insider... otherwise they would have had them pull the books - so there is that!

Unless the books were already toxic and being scrutinized by that time.

Unless they knew they'd be recorded and were providing cover for their inside man.  Were there two or more independent deception operations occurring at the same time? if a couple of small-time scammers managed to suck a million dollars or more out of the hobby, imagine what a professional counterfeiting ring could do. 

I do applaud CGC for their seemingly swift response. it's their forum, and it's only right to praise them on occasion.

[shadroch]

On 2/4/2024 at 11:02 AM, comix4fun said:

Probably not until I get to the office tomorrow. But I can see if one of my partners went in today 

In the movie, you'll call an intern or first year to go in and access it for you.

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The cynic in me assumes there are a few unscrupulous parties very annoyed that Ulises' sloppy behavior silently blew up the scam they had independently figured out.  The statistician in me refuses to believe a single, goofy, arrogant, greedy individual and his gf were the only people engaging in this behavior.

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[AmazingComics413]

10 years ago I was at WWNYC. I wanted to get a Hulk book signed, and I said to Rich Buckler “Do you mind if I have CGC witness the signature?”

His reply was “Why do we gotta do that? You know who I am. I know who I am. Isn’t that good enough?”

Of course the point of the CGC witness was to have a certified signature, so that I owned some sort of proof that Buckler actually signed it. That was my thought process back then as a new CGC customer.

This weekend I’ve been thinking about that conversation and the possible tampered SS slabs floating around out there.

I was planning to have Mike Royer sign a Space Ghost book I REALLY like this year….wanted it to be a CGC SS submission. It would be the ‘only’ SS copy on the census. But that census is baloney and tainted. The comfort I have using the SS service is that I’m probably the only guy in the world coveting something like that. But is it even worth the added cost with CGC’s current reputation?

I know who Royer is, and so does he. And that’s definitely good enough.


 

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 2/4/2024 at 1:02 PM, comicjel said:

I guess the question is, will CGC feel any responsibility for the books that were just swapped out without being reholdered??

Knowing the reholdering shenanigans of this submitter, I would think CGC would be held accountable for failing to flag all of their submissions at this point. 

[comix4fun]

On 2/4/2024 at 12:04 PM, shadroch said:

In the movie, you'll call an intern or first year to go in and access it for you.

I’ve let almost all my employees work from home since 2020 now. I wish I could do that. Or yell at someone to get me coffee. I got screwed by not practicing in the 60’s

[EastEnd1]

On 2/4/2024 at 1:03 PM, shadroch said:

I do applaud CGC for their seemingly swift response. it's their forum, and it's only right to praise them on occasion.

Agreed... and I am also very appreciative of CGC keeping this forum discussion as open as they have.  I think it's been mutually beneficial to them and the collecting community, despite the difficult subject.  

[shadroch]

On 2/4/2024 at 11:09 AM, comix4fun said:

I’ve let almost all my employees work from home since 2020 now. I wish I could do that. Or yell at someone to get me coffee. I got screwed by not practicing in the 60’s

What's the point in power if you can't abuse it?

[comicjel]

On 2/4/2024 at 12:10 PM, shadroch said:

Can we all  now stop pretending only books submitted for reholstering were infected?

Knowing this, I really hope they have engineers working overtime on a new case design!... and a big push to start loading up more scans in the "verify" module.

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[BuscemasAvengers]

On 2/4/2024 at 1:20 PM, comicjel said:

Knowing this, I really hope they have engineers working overtime on a new case design!

And what may that look like? Some sort of internal piece that breaks if the entire slabbed is cracked open?

[comix4fun]

On 2/4/2024 at 12:18 PM, shadroch said:

What's the point in power if you can't abuse it?

Part of my evening prayers for years. Not getting any traction though.