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ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/285589090234?hash=item427e6fafba:g:TIwAAOSwqwplbAkk&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0FqcdnJqF5jW2wV%2Fwg%2FrjWAEIPjnMFSX7ppKk%2FWZk6difFbwdrmvQVomFFqXbue1gfdJ9KiSELBo%2BiB75Nn812vfKnXxJPQexJ2Tkui6BMnmWeOOqRaEMeOFGdjtUUQ7oc12jdoMPMlvIZYG5jF830nA0yMgBuLs6528dJ49TqXu5PP3%2BSKi6eAgkGkxL%2F4DPLnP%2FB2N4rgz0iN96QSfit%2FdG6KI%2FgTcdX%2BEuwV%2FkXstUQdxYmWLtKjJtPbqXXQW20hR7JhsERTHMt1%2B%2BOqGxWw%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR-a9udaOYw

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Confirmed by CGC on 12/28/2023

CCG and CGC Comics Statement on Holder Tampering Incident

Posted on 12/28/2023

The Certified Collectibles Group is aware of an incident involving an individual tampering with CGC Comics holders.

The Certified Collectibles Group® (CCG®), which includes Certified Guaranty Company® (CGC®), is aware of an incident involving an individual tampering with CGC Comics holders. Based on our initial review, we believe that the incident affects a few hundred comic books.

CCG exists to protect the collecting community, and in the last 36 years we have certified more than 85 million collectibles, each one backed by a comprehensive guarantee. The trust that we have built with our community sometimes makes us a target of bad actors and, despite our vigilance, this individual tampered with some of our holders.

If you purchased one of the books that this individual tampered with, we will ensure that you are appropriately compensated for losses arising from any failures in our services. We expect to share a list of books that we believe are impacted as soon as possible.

We have also retained a leading private investigative service and outside counsel to conduct a comprehensive review of this incident and our processes, and to help ensure that this individual is held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. We have already made significant improvements to our processes as a result of this incident, and we will continue to take appropriate steps to help ensure that this type of incident does not happen again.

We expect to share more information when we have it. In the meantime, if you have any questions or would like to share any information with CCG, please reach out to us at ReportFraud@CollectiblesGroup.com.

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On 12/16/2023 at 8:46 PM, Tnexus said:

You can buy a sonic welder for 6k or less. I imagine someone with some skill can probably crack a slab, replace a book then re-weld it well enough to pass a quick glance.

The label cert is supposed to take care of the fake slab, or i guess the census is there with the cert lookup. I still vaguely think this is still a cgc qc issue, and idk how with the spine showing after reholder. There is obvious damage after the reholder, but that doesnt explain the spine, nor why cgc didnt acknowledge the damage.

In short? I. Just. Dont. Know lol

 

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Not to fear monger, but this is VERY bad for CGC optics. The seller has strangely been selling lots of big books for months. I say strangely because the supply of "9.8" (many had visible defects like multiple ticks) grails has been seemingly endless. Either QC has messed up big time or it's unfortunately an inside job.

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On 12/17/2023 at 1:25 AM, RockMyAmadeus said:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285530587663?hash=item427af3020f:g:0uAAAOSwQjllOFqp

:screwy:

And that is just the tip of the iceberg. I never thought anything sketchy was happening with that sellers' books because when I would lookup the cert numbers, they always checked out as existing, so I just attributed the glaring defects to bad grading. But when I saw that video today, I realized that there is obviously something amiss here.

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I originally thought that CGC must have accidentally swapped the books. Now, after seeing that supposed 9.8 NM 9.8 I'm leaning strongly towards the seller being dodgy. This is not good. 

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On 12/17/2023 at 2:05 AM, Cat said:

I originally thought that CGC must have accidentally swapped the books. Now, after seeing that supposed 9.8 NM 9.8 I'm leaning strongly towards the seller being dodgy. This is not good. 

Seller is dodgy for sure, but need to question CGC as well. How could that NM 9.8 pass as a 9.8? Same with his other books as well. Many 9.4-looking grails getting a 9.8. On normal grading or even a reholder, some defects are just too obvious to miss.

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Well the seller, Also sold a newstand 252  9.8 in October that cgc graded in September, that looks more like the one that was bought in Aug then the book thats in the holder now, That cgc apparently didn't realize was a mark jewlers. But it's probably all just a coincidence. 

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On 12/17/2023 at 2:25 AM, RockMyAmadeus said:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285530587663?hash=item427af3020f:g:0uAAAOSwQjllOFqp

:screwy:

I own a CGC graded 9.6 copy that looks like a 13.6 compared to the copy you linked.

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On 12/17/2023 at 7:59 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

I’m confused.  Is it being suggested that the seller swapped a 9.8 newsstand with a lesser grade MJ insert prior to a reholder?

Yes, bought a 9.8 Newsstand, replaced it with a MJ Newsstand and claimed that CGC missed the MJ ad inside.  Probably even got a free reholder because of it, except for the custom label.  

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On 12/17/2023 at 9:25 AM, Nick Furious said:

Yes, bought a 9.8 Newsstand, replaced it with a MJ Newsstand and claimed that CGC missed the MJ ad inside.  Probably even got a free reholder because of it, except for the custom label.  

Wow.   So the seller found a loophole in the reholder process.  That’s pretty crazy. 

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On 12/17/2023 at 9:54 AM, Axelrod said:

This theory hinges on the seller either (1) having a way to crack an existing slab, replace a book and seal it again well enough to fool CGC, or (2) the seller being a CGC employee who is swapping out books on site?  That right?

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