Crushalot Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Points system is loosely based on value and white pages always sell for more than any other.... NewWorldOrder and comic_memories 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator jstam Posted January 24 Administrator Share Posted January 24 @Crushalot This is an interesting proposition. I'm going to leave this thread open to see what others think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowardHughes Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I agree with you. White pages should get more points but my problem with that is CGC’s inconsistency regarding the white pages and for that matter other parts of grading as well. Take 10 books with white pages and stack them so you can only see the bottom of the books showing the pages and the page quality is all over the place. bc, AbsoluteCarnage and Kripsys99 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 No. As @HowardHughes pointed out, the page quality is too variable in the grading process. -bc Kripsys99, Sauce Dog, All-Star Squadman and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR1979 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) NO Way too many cases of page quality bumps from review re-submits and signatures. But yeah some pay more for White Pages, to others W vs OW/W is laughable given wildly random page quality de jour assignments for books. What about the very early slabs in which Page Quality notation was yet not standard? I'm also against assigning more points for newsstands as for 20+ years they were not noted nor data recorded Edited January 25 by MAR1979 All-Star Squadman and Kripsys99 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushalot Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 Grading by its' very nature is subjective. If we follow through with your argument then there is no real basis for the point system at all. Either the grading means something (including page quality) or it doesn't. Obviously it does or we would not be here or worried about points at all! Furthermore, a change in points for page quality would probably be an easy change in the coding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingdog Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 What if the highest graded book (say a bronze age) in the census is a 9.8 and it's the only one? However, it has OW/WP. Sorry, I want full points if I enter it into my competitive sets. I don't want to be dinged simply because it doesn't have white pages. Kripsys99, MAR1979, surfertso and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All-Star Squadman Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) On 1/25/2024 at 9:22 AM, Crushalot said: Grading by its' very nature is subjective. If we follow through with your argument then there is no real basis for the point system at all. Either the grading means something (including page quality) or it doesn't. Obviously it does or we would not be here or worried about points at all! Furthermore, a change in points for page quality would probably be an easy change in the coding No as well. 100% against this idea. Its something that will reward incomplete collections over some complete sets simply because of 1 aspect of grading in which opinions are widely divided. @jstam There are enough unfair inequities with the CGC registry please don't create another! Edited January 26 by All-Star Squadman workingdog, MAR1979 and Kripsys99 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kripsys99 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/25/2024 at 9:22 AM, Crushalot said: Grading by its' very nature is subjective. If we follow through with your argument then there is no real basis for the point system at all. Either the grading means something (including page quality) or it doesn't. Obviously it does or we would not be here or worried about points at all! Furthermore, a change in points for page quality would probably be an easy change in the coding For the numerical grade, there are objective criteria one can point to for how the subjective grade was decided upon. In the case of page quality, it's more akin to: "Looks white to me." It is, by it's nature, less transparent and more subjective. Keep page quality out of it. My . All-Star Squadman, MAR1979 and workingdog 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator jstam Posted January 26 Administrator Share Posted January 26 @All-Star Squadman I am not leaning in any particular direction for or against this idea, and fortunately for me, no decisions with the Registry are solely mine to make! I am very glad to be hearing from the community on it. What I will say is that It comes to mind that those collecting books from 2000 forward (coated pages) would see a blanket increase but not much actual advantage. The largest advantage would go to those collecting Silver/Gold, since white pages are harder to come by from those eras, but that advantage would be felt less frequently overall. It seems that Bronze collectors would get the edge most frequently, followed by Copper collectors. On the one hand, I can see the idea generally making sense since points are essentially based on book quality. What I'm not sure about is a situation in which the benefit of a points increase is not equally shared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushalot Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 I'm not talking about massive increases in points, more akin to the bonus given to signed books if that makes any difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bc Posted January 26 Popular Post Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2024 at 11:14 AM, Crushalot said: I'm not talking about massive increases in points, more akin to the bonus given to signed books if that makes any difference Signed books are a binary - the book is either signed or its not. Page quality is entirely subjective. -bc Sauce Dog, AbsoluteCarnage, Kripsys99 and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MAR1979 Posted January 27 Popular Post Share Posted January 27 (edited) On 1/26/2024 at 5:50 PM, bc said: Signed books are a binary - the book is either signed or its not. Page quality is entirely subjective. -bc As equally divided an issue as any political hot-button item. Many of those against will also give up on the registry count me as one for sure. BTW: This is the type of suggestion that is only made by one who will benefit from it being enacted. Edited January 27 by MAR1979 bc, All-Star Squadman, workingdog and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushalot Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 The point system is based on dollar value of books. Books with white pages have a higher monetary value than books with lower quality pages. Hence white pages equals more points. Case closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kripsys99 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) On 1/27/2024 at 4:13 PM, Crushalot said: The point system is based on dollar value of books. Books with white pages have a higher monetary value than books with lower quality pages. Hence white pages equals more points. Case closed I have found that my eBay buyers will pay more for a book in a newer CGC case or an original CGC case, as opposed to the same book in the previous generation slab. Are you suggesting CGC should award extra points for books in new or original cases? Case reopened. Edited January 27 by Kripsys99 MAR1979, bc, workingdog and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Same with those QVS stickers or custom labels. The dollar value of books is based on many external factors - the quality of the auction or sales venue, the time of the year, the current hot collecting interests among a few. Should registry points be deducted now that many books have seen their prices reduced since the COVID mania? -bc All-Star Squadman, MAR1979 and workingdog 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post namisgr Posted January 28 Popular Post Share Posted January 28 Eh, the Registry has never been a price guide, and never was intended to be. It's fine the way it is, doing what it was instituted to do: incentivize collectors to have comics slabbed and to buy comics that have been slabbed. All-Star Squadman, MAR1979, comic_memories and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushalot Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 The registry is definitely not a price guide but the points system is loosely based on Overstreet prices. Books with white pages are valued higher. I don't suggest lowering scores for OWW etc. but there should be positive scaling for page quality. Nobody loses points but slight increases for page quality which is already in the code and part of the grading system. Imagine two competing complete sets where one has all OWW and the other WPs. The scores being identical makes zero sense. Chuck K and surfertso 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kripsys99 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 On 2/1/2024 at 9:55 AM, Crushalot said: The registry is definitely not a price guide but the points system is loosely based on Overstreet prices. Books with white pages are valued higher. I don't suggest lowering scores for OWW etc. but there should be positive scaling for page quality. Nobody loses points but slight increases for page quality which is already in the code and part of the grading system. Imagine two competing complete sets where one has all OWW and the other WPs. The scores being identical makes zero sense. I applaud you for bringing forward a novel idea for a potential improvement of the registry, unfortunately this one just isn't a winner. And at this point, I feel like you're whistling in the wind a bit here. Seldom have I seen an idea posted on the boards that received not a single vote of support from any other boardies. But you seem firmly entrenched in your opinion (which is fair enough). I just hope majority rules in this case, because I believe the majority are right in this instance, for all of the reasons stated by all of the other posters above. bc, MAR1979 and workingdog 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 On 2/1/2024 at 9:55 AM, Crushalot said: The registry is definitely not a price guide but the points system is loosely based on Overstreet prices. Books with white pages are valued higher. I don't suggest lowering scores for OWW etc. but there should be positive scaling for page quality. Nobody loses points but slight increases for page quality which is already in the code and part of the grading system. Imagine two competing complete sets where one has all OWW and the other WPs. The scores being identical makes zero sense. Overstreet does not break out pricing by page quality, only grade. What about extra points for perfect centering, or bettor ink colors or ideal staple placement? Those things are at least visible thru the slab (unlike White pages). None of those are feasible as well since they are all subjective, just like page quality. -bc workingdog and MAR1979 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
