Timed Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4411253001/ Context; the book was submitted with a 9.8 expectancy. There were no spine ticks or creases. The white line on the back on the red text was not there at submission, so am assuming it's the slab. But will double check once it's in hand... What would you do if you submitted this book and got that grade? Edited April 15 by Timed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAvenger80 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Well there's just gotta be somethin' Kramerica 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatterEaterLad Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 I had similar results recently, with a bunch of Copper Age books. Was hoping for a minimum of 9.2 and the books all came back in the 8.5-7.0 range with "light creasing, light spine stress." The grading inconsistency has always been annoying, but now it's ridiculous. Borock has said that he thinks it's to push people to use CGC's pressing services. jcjames and aardvark88 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/15/2024 at 10:41 AM, MatterEaterLad said: Borock has said that he thinks it's to push people to use CGC's pressing services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAvenger80 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/15/2024 at 12:43 PM, grendelbo said: If this is even remotely true then.. wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted April 15 Administrator Share Posted April 15 On 4/15/2024 at 11:51 AM, Timed said: Context; the book was submitted with a 9.8 expectancy. There were no spine ticks or creases. The white line on the back on the red text was not there at submission, so am assuming it's the slab. But will double check once it's in hand... That white line is glare. I am assuming this book has already shipped? If so, contact me when you receive it. If it hasn't let me know ASAP, and include the submission number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmay Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/15/2024 at 11:51 AM, Timed said: The white line on the back on the red text was not there at submission That is a color breaking crease. Do you have scans of this before you sent it in? Chaz G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted April 15 Administrator Share Posted April 15 On 4/15/2024 at 12:57 PM, Timmay said: That is a color breaking crease. Do you have scans of this before you sent it in? I thought he was talking about the white line on the front cover. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timed Posted April 15 Author Share Posted April 15 (edited) On 4/15/2024 at 11:57 AM, Timmay said: That is a color breaking crease. Do you have scans of this before you sent it in? No I don't, sadly. I used to scan every book but it got really time consuming so started to only scan the higher valued ones. But I did just message Mike to look into it further. I do know it was not there when I sent it in, and I use a 3rd party presser who hand delivers. So it definitely sucks! Edited April 15 by Timed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ride the Tiger Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/15/2024 at 11:41 AM, MatterEaterLad said: I had similar results recently, with a bunch of Copper Age books. Was hoping for a minimum of 9.2 and the books all came back in the 8.5-7.0 range with "light creasing, light spine stress." The grading inconsistency has always been annoying, but now it's ridiculous. Borock has said that he thinks it's to push people to use CGC's pressing services. When and where did he say this? MR SigS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterX Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Would an interior flaw be the culprit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmay Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/15/2024 at 1:01 PM, Timed said: No I don't, sadly. I used to scan every book but it got really time consuming so started to only scan the higher valued ones. But I did just message Mike to look into it further. I do know it was not there when I sent it in, and I use a 3rd party presser who hand delivers. So it definitely sucks! You are SOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RockMyAmadeus Posted April 15 Popular Post Share Posted April 15 zzutak, Dave2739, OJ Pimpson and 5 others 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcjames Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/15/2024 at 9:41 AM, MatterEaterLad said: ...Borock has said that he thinks it's to push people to use CGC's pressing services. "Third-Party graders" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan_W Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/15/2024 at 3:09 PM, RockMyAmadeus said: A light diagonal crease from what was likely a foldover means the grade is accurate as it stands at this moment, but it really sucks if that was not there prior to submission. crazyhips 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Furious Posted April 15 Popular Post Share Posted April 15 On 4/15/2024 at 12:29 PM, Ride the Tiger said: When and where did he say this? 1:30 AM. Hotel lobby bar. MatterEaterLad, Dr. Love, Gaard and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I like pie Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Still not a 6.5 if that crease is the only problem but I would also assume it creased some of the interior pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qalyar Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Impossible to say for certain from that one image, but it looks like that crease is flat enough that I'd assume it occurred prior to pressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ride the Tiger Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 On 4/15/2024 at 3:01 PM, Nick Furious said: 1:30 AM. Hotel lobby bar. Was it in a public forum? Did you hear him say it at a con? Or did you make it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatterEaterLad Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 On 4/15/2024 at 7:17 PM, Ride the Tiger said: Was it in a public forum? Did you hear him say it at a con? Or did you make it up? Yes, you caught me. I totally made it up. Six years ago a friend's husband passed away and left her with a nice collection of SA books, including Hulk 1, and FF 1-5. I connected her with Steve when he was still at that other place and he went through her collection and recommended which ones to have graded (and he later graded them). About 18 months ago she decided to sell and both Steve and I recommended she have the books cross-graded to CGC cases, which we both felt would do better at auction (Steve had left the other place). The grades on all of her books came back .5 to 2.5 points lower. She was pretty upset, at Steve, at CGC, and basically the whole comic world, which she didn't know much about. Part of her frustration was because after she saw comic prices soar, they had plummeted by the time her books were sold. Steve's explanation to her was what I mentioned earlier. I'm not saying that's what's going on, but that's what he said. From the books I've had graded in the past two years, CGC definitely seems to be in one of their tighter grading periods. I hate that they've had such variance over the years. If I had the money to burn, I'd have a set of 100 books regraded each year to appraise the consistency/inconsistency of grading. Would they nail it every time? Would it be a hot mess? We'll never know because there's no audit of how they grade books. RockMyAmadeus, PopKulture and KCOComics 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
