Is Spider-Boy a fan favorite or just spec hype? 2 2

[Shaun Hill]

Sorry if this has been covered, but I am curious if people are reading this character or if this was a product of the Dan Slott hype machine. If people are really into Bailey, what issues really stand out as a "must read"?  How does Baily stack up against some of the other Spider-folk (Miles, Gwen, Silk, etc).  Would like honest discussion and not pump and dump.  

[wardevil0]

For the near term, it's speculator hype.  This may bleed into actual fan appreciation, but it's hard to tell.  Think of it like Spider-Gwen, whose early appearances were pushed by hype but now seems to be a legit fan favorite character (EoSV 2a in CGC 9.8 is ~$1k), relative to DC's Punchline (Batman 89a in CGC 9.8 is ~$120), who was pushed hard by spec hype but never really got enough of her own traction.  It all depends on how Spider-Boy develops.  Given the number of Spider-related characters relative to the number who have established themselves with lasting fan bases, it's unlikely Spider-Boy will be of any particular interest 10 years from now, which is what I would expect of a "fan favorite."

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

Considering that first appearance was hyped before anyone knew what the content of the book was, certainly initially popularity was speculator-driven.

Probably too early in the game to tell whether the character will also be a fan favorite. Slott seems legitimately excited about the story he has to tell, and it never hurts when a creative team is producing what they want to, rather than something driven by editorial and marketing, to get characters from where they are now, to some point they want them to be at, for the next big crossover, media tie-in, etc. I think what will be more important is whatever happens to the character when Slott is done with the story he wants to tell.

[Shaun Hill]

Great point.

[Ken Aldred]

I prefer Spider-Punk.  Much more interesting character.

[captainzombie]

Out of all the new Spider-Verse characters out these last few years, Slott has done a great job with Spider-Boy. He has really put some thought, build, and hype into the character. I can see Spider-Boy still being relevant in 10 years from now. It seems like the book is selling fairly decently so we will see with time.

I think if Marvel would just eradicate all of these useless spider characters like they were going to with End of the Spider-Verse, it would have helped to leave the ones with some kind of potential. At this point, they have more than enough to try and pull some magic, but even look how they have treated Spider-Gwen and she is a fairly popular character.

If anything, they should keep the following Spider-Verse characters and then just dump the rest by killing them off. There are just way too many and it has done nothing but dilute the "Spider" character and name.

• Spider-Boy
• Spider-Man Noir
• Spider-Punk
• Kid Venom (this has potential as they try to get into Manga)
• Spider-Man 2099 (old character from the 90's, and can be cool if written properly)
• Spintress (she has potential from being a Disney like princess)

Out of the new ones from Edge of Spider-Verse, both Weapon VIII and Spooky-Man were really cool characters. Weapon VIII had some hype out the gate, that has since died out. If any of you did read the story with Spooky-Man, now that was well done.

[Onewhois]

I know that Spider-Boy #1 just landed Italy. Here is there  exclusive variant  pretty cool cover 

Edited April 22 by Onewhois

[BuraddoRun]

Far too many spiders. But Slott writes Spider-Boy as a fun character, so I think it's a mix of true fan enjoyment and spec.

[catch21]

It's dead spec. There are 5606 9.8 copies. Over 800 copies more than UF4 and  nearly 1600 copies over EOSV 2. Supply too high.

Edited May 2 by catch21

[Jesse-Lee]

On 5/2/2024 at 12:37 PM, catch21 said:

It's dead spec. There are 5606 9.8 copies. Over 800 copies more than UF4 and  nearly 1600 copies over EOSV 2. Supply too high.

6,231 total census count for the Spider-Man 7 (1st Spider-Boy) Ramos cover (the cover everyone wants). 18,347 total census for UF4. A whopping 29,121 total census for New Mutants 98.

If the demand for Spider-Boy increases down the road, it could still outpace the supply. Granted, thousands more copies would likely get graded if it gets UF4/NM98 level hot, but those books hold value just fine, even with massive supply.

[fastballspecial]

On 4/21/2024 at 3:04 AM, BuraddoRun said:

Far too many spiders. But Slott writes Spider-Boy as a fun character, so I think it's a mix of true fan enjoyment and spec.

Exactly

 

[catch21]

On 5/2/2024 at 11:12 AM, Jesse-Lee said:

6,231 total census count for the Spider-Man 7 (1st Spider-Boy) Ramos cover (the cover everyone wants). 18,347 total census for UF4. A whopping 29,121 total census for New Mutants 98.

If the demand for Spider-Boy increases down the road, it could still outpace the supply. Granted, thousands more copies would likely get graded if it gets UF4/NM98 level hot, but those books hold value just fine, even with massive supply.

This is stupid logic. The majority of the supply for the Ramos variant is the 9.8. Not so for the NM 98/UF4. Any grade 9.6 or less Spider-Man 7 (1st Spider-Boy) Ramos cover sells for a loss because there is more than enough supply in 9.8.  UF4 has 26% in 9.8. New Mutants 98 has 17% in 9.8. The Ramos variant has 90% in 9.8. It is a dead spec.

[Jesse-Lee]

On 5/4/2024 at 11:32 PM, catch21 said:

This is stupid logic. The majority of the supply for the Ramos variant is the 9.8. Not so for the NM 98/UF4. Any grade 9.6 or less Spider-Man 7 (1st Spider-Boy) Ramos cover sells for a loss because there is more than enough supply in 9.8.  UF4 has 26% in 9.8. New Mutants 98 has 17% in 9.8. The Ramos variant has 90% in 9.8. It is a dead spec.

For now, that's likely true. But what you're saying is not necessarily an indicator of future success or failure if the character takes off at the same level as Miles or Wade (not saying he will). I'd contend it's not "stupid logic;" I'd say it's just too early to tell at this point. I also wouldn't put all my eggs in the Spider-Boy basket, but I bought a few copies at pre-order and sold some to cover my costs, so I'm covered on my end anyway. It'd be great if the character takes off, and I don't think you can quite write him off yet.

Edited May 5 by Jesse-Lee

[catch21]

On 5/4/2024 at 10:02 PM, Jesse-Lee said:

For now, that's likely true. But what you're saying is not necessarily an indicator of future success or failure if the character takes off at the same level as Miles or Wade (not saying he will). I'd contend it's not "stupid logic;" I'd say it's just too early to tell at this point. I also wouldn't put all my eggs in the Spider-Boy basket, but I bought a few copies at pre-order and sold some to cover my costs, so I'm covered on my end anyway. It'd be great if the character takes off, and I don't think you can quite write him off yet.

 It can't take off at the same level because the supply of the Ramos variant in 9.8 (5606) has exceeded  9.8 copies (5006) of New Mutants 98  and UF4 (4755) copies. Because Ramos variant has  90% of the total supply in 9.8, there is no demand to buy a lower grade. Wheras the other comics you mentioned, the 9.8 supply is less than 30% for each comic. It's not comparable.

Edited May 5 by catch21