zach1900 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Why would a book graded "Off-white" grade higher than the same book described as "white pages"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 It shouldn't. I'm curious, why would you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbcn Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Could be a lot of reasons - grades aren't only based on page quality. If the books are exactly the same beyond the page quality, then I don't see why 'off white' would grade higher than 'white'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Cream-Off White, OW-White & White Pages will have no affect on a book's grade. Other flaws will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach1900 Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 Teenage mutant Ninja turtles number one first run. 8.0 off-white, is that considered good or average for a modern book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newshane Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 On 5/7/2024 at 3:24 PM, zach1900 said: Teenage mutant Ninja turtles number one first run. 8.0 off-white, is that considered good or average for a modern book? That's all relative. There is no "good or average" for a modern book. Depends on the issue. I'd say you have a solid copy of that book at that grade. Off-white designation has no bearing on the numerical grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach1900 Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 Thanks, I assumed the off-white -white designation ect did factor into the numerical grade. Mainly color breaks were noted, I did pay to have it pressed and clean but I don't know if either of those actually happened or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 The 8.0-9.0 range is qualitatively an "excellent" copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbcn Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) On 5/7/2024 at 4:24 PM, zach1900 said: Teenage mutant Ninja turtles number one first run. 8.0 off-white, is that considered good or average for a modern book? Are you looking to compare it to all modern books? (that might be tricky) or just copies of the same book? You can see the number of books per grade via the CGC Census - here it is for TMNT #1 1st print: https://www.cgccomics.com/census/grades_standard.asp?ComicID=5000360 There are 150 total graded 8.0s. But yeah - for that book, I'd be super happy with an 8.0 - congrats! Edited May 7 by dbcn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach1900 Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 I bought it raw assuming it was going to be a 9.0 plus, looks like I might break even if I sell it. Oh well I wanted to hold on to it but thanks for all your help guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 On 5/7/2024 at 2:32 PM, zach1900 said: Thanks, I assumed the off-white -white designation ect did factor into the numerical grade. Mainly color breaks were noted, I did pay to have it pressed and clean but I don't know if either of those actually happened or not. Page quality shouldn't affect grade. Pressing and cleaning can help a book but not every book. If you think about the pressing process - applying humidity and heat and pressure - bends divots etc can be addressed but a color break that breaks the ink can not be repaired. The ink has been damaged and the only way to address that is color touch which will get you a restored label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach1900 Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 On 5/7/2024 at 4:56 PM, thehumantorch said: Page quality shouldn't affect grade. Pressing and cleaning can help a book but not every book. If you think about the pressing process - applying humidity and heat and pressure - bends divots etc can be addressed but a color break that breaks the ink can not be repaired. The ink has been damaged and the only way to address that is color touch which will get you a restored label. Yes this book was originally an impulse buy for me, then I started getting paranoid that I had a counterfeit, even though all indications were it was not. Here's my thought with a modern book that has off-white pages that's otherwise a pretty good decent grade. It sat in less than ideal conditions i.e humidity but it wasn't handled much. I guessed it as a 9 about 10 years ago KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 On 5/7/2024 at 4:18 PM, zach1900 said: Yes this book was originally an impulse buy for me, then I started getting paranoid that I had a counterfeit, even though all indications were it was not. Here's my thought with a modern book that has off-white pages that's otherwise a pretty good decent grade. It sat in less than ideal conditions i.e humidity but it wasn't handled much. I guessed it as a 9 about 10 years ago Well, if it's the real deal and you will break essentially even you're not in a bad place. God knows most of us have made buys that worked out a whole lot worse. Don't put too much attention to the page designation. We've seen lots of books where the page designation changed when regraded. CGC just doesn't seem to be consistent on page quality. MAR1979 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR1979 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) Maybe this can be explained???? Edited May 7 by MAR1979 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel013 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 On 5/7/2024 at 6:55 PM, MAR1979 said: Maybe this can be explained???? I don’t believe in 9.9s that don’t have white pages. Heck anything over 9.4 personally. vheflin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) I'm pretty sure 9.9s and 10s can't have page quality below White. I can't explain those old slabs. Edited May 7 by grendelbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR1979 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) My opinion OW/W totally 100% fine for 9.8 but 9.9 or 10 must have White. I'd bet heavily that if both those ROM's were cracked and re-subbed they would now get White pages, I've seen it many many times with older slabs. However the books would also come back graded 9.8, given their current grade appears to be a true gift! Edited May 7 by MAR1979 crazyhips 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 On 5/7/2024 at 5:02 PM, grendelbo said: I'm pretty sure 9.9s and 10s can't have page quality below White. I can't explain those old slabs. My error. 10s need White Pages. 9.9 can have OW. grendel013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newshane Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 On 5/7/2024 at 6:02 PM, grendelbo said: I'm pretty sure 9.9s and 10s can't have page quality below White. I can't explain those old slabs. Tens must have white pages. 9.9s can have ow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 On 5/7/2024 at 9:06 PM, newshane said: Tens must have white pages. 9.9s can have ow. On 5/7/2024 at 5:23 PM, grendelbo said: My error. 10s need White Pages. 9.9 can have OW. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
