gadzukes Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 This is a slightly restored copy of ASM 3 that I just got back from CGC. I wanted to post some pics to see what you guys think the grade should be. Everything is solid at the staples. There are no spine splits I'll reveal grade after I get some input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 Reading crease along spine; moderate spine stress (especially on back cover side); moderate wear along top & bottom edges of front cover; 6" crease across top-right corner of front cover; 3" crease across bottom-right corner of back cover; Marvel chipping along upper 3" of right edge of front cover; back cover smudges/stains/soiling; etc. Best guess = 4.0. gadzukes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 5.5/6.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadzukes Posted October 8 Author Share Posted October 8 Here's is the grade. After looking at the above photos how can anyone give this a 2.0? WTH? It's at least a 4.0 "apparent grade". I'm kind of miffed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 Grader Notes marvel chipping full right of front cover Piece, large married right bottom of front cover multiple crease cover small amount of color touch on front cover & spine They may choose the large missing piece instead the married piece so you may get 2.0 instead of 4.0. I am miffed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonProphet Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 I was thinking 3.0 with the chipping and spine stress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 Even with the grader notes, I still can't see the married piece. Anyone feel like outlining it? I wonder if its boundaries are more apparent on the inside front cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY Roadkill Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 On 10/8/2024 at 3:28 PM, zzutak said: Even with the grader notes, I still can't see the married piece. Anyone feel like outlining it? I wonder if its boundaries are more apparent on the inside front cover. Looking at some other images compared to this - right pant leg of Doctor Octopus is a lighter black than the left, and is that a seam down his butt? Images I looked at were a uniform color Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadzukes Posted October 8 Author Share Posted October 8 On 10/8/2024 at 4:23 PM, NY Roadkill said: Looking at some other images compared to this - right pant leg of Doctor Octopus is a lighter black than the left, and is that a seam down his butt? Images I looked at were a uniform color Yes, that "seam" is where the added piece is and it goes up to about Doc Oc's right elbow and then off to the right. It's a big piece, but the marry is fairly decent and I thought restored comics were supposed to reflect an "apparent grade"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 The tape on the inside front cover (which none of us were aware of when we submitted guesses) may be more significant than you realize. Tape is not considered restoration, but the tape on this book is definitely "serving a function" -- namely, to secure the married piece. What grade would the book "deserve" if the tape was not present (and therefore a large piece was missing from the front cover)? Apparent 2.0 perhaps? Apparent due to the color touch and 2.0 due to the large missing piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadzukes Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 On 10/8/2024 at 8:42 PM, zzutak said: The tape on the inside front cover (which none of us were aware of when we submitted guesses) may be more significant than you realize. Tape is not considered restoration, but the tape on this book is definitely "serving a function" -- namely, to secure the married piece. What grade would the book "deserve" if the tape was not present (and therefore a large piece was missing from the front cover)? Apparent 2.0 perhaps? Apparent due to the color touch and 2.0 due to the large missing piece. But this is not a "Universal" book. I can see where that applies to Universal. This is a restored comic. The restoration is there to give it a better "apparent" grade. The tape is archival so it's not as if it's a celophane mess. The tape is 1/8" wide slivers of archival tape, done purposely to improve the overall look of the comic. But if this is how thy're grading restored comics now, then how can ANY restored comic be higher than 2.0 if it's had any amount of resto done to it? I asked CGC to review the grade and I was told I would have to pay the grading fee again ($85) Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 I would've guessed 4.5. Looked at the pic for 5+ minutes and couldn't see the married piece. Resto is for the CT. Tape isn't resto. 2.0 is appropriate I imagine. fast eddie, sledgehammer and Point Five 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpendiculous Posted Saturday at 05:39 AM Share Posted Saturday at 05:39 AM Awful grading. Awful. 0 consistency. Or consistently inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Five Posted Sunday at 12:17 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:17 PM I would have said Apparent 4.5 too. I guess I get the logic as laid out by Bo but it still feels like this book got hammered. It seems to defy the intuitive meaning of "Apparent" because clearly the book now looks like a VG and not a Good. I guess this is a fairly unusual case, where the piece replacement is fairly big and yet the book looks really nice. It's a really tight match. If the resto were clumsily done it would be easier to rationalize the low grade. grendelbo and fast eddie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Five Posted Sunday at 12:19 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:19 PM We should do a grading contest with all Restored books. That would be a wild ride. grendelbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledgehammer Posted Sunday at 12:42 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:42 PM On 10/9/2024 at 12:09 AM, grendelbo said: I would've guessed 4.5. Looked at the pic for 5+ minutes and couldn't see the married piece. Resto is for the CT. Tape isn't resto. 2.0 is appropriate I imagine. I would have said 5.0 Look at the image in the grader's notes if you want to see the piece. The large scan shows it very clearly. grendelbo and Point Five 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledgehammer Posted Sunday at 01:15 PM Share Posted Sunday at 01:15 PM It is possible that the grade was worse because of what it looks like on the inside of the front cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowGradeBronze Posted Sunday at 01:43 PM Share Posted Sunday at 01:43 PM I was at 2.5 to 3.0 but was going to add that most likely it would be in a 3.5 slab. Surprised to see it only 2.0 but then seeing the notes about married piece, its got to be a low grade, plus all that chipping, regardless of how nice it looks. (Which it does!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fast eddie Posted Sunday at 03:15 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:15 PM I was thinking 4.0-4,5 as well,,,,,,,,,hmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted Sunday at 03:23 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:23 PM On 10/13/2024 at 6:42 AM, sledgehammer said: I would have said 5.0 Look at the image in the grader's notes if you want to see the piece. The large scan shows it very clearly. Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
