CGC Census - Toughest 9.8s for Copper Age

[valiantman]

When you look through the CGC census for Universal Grades on comics dated 1980 - 1992,

and check how often a "lower grade" (9.2 or below) occurs vs. a "high grade" (9.8 or above),

you can get a "ranking" of the toughest 9.8s.

 

Using a minimum of at least 50 Universal CGC submissions,

a little over 400 different comics (1980-1992) were eligible for this ranking.

 

Toughest Ratios of Universal 9.8s

(Comics 1980-1992, minimum of 50 Universal CGC submissions)

 

Comic Name - Ratio of Universal CGC Grades <=9.2:>=9.8

Star Wars 107 - 137:0 (none graded in 9.8 or above)

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 - 93:0 (none graded in 9.8 or above)

Daredevil 166 - 17:0 (none graded in 9.8 or above)

Daredevil 168 - 95:1

Spider-Man 1 Poly-Bagged Edition - 90:1

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 21 - 74:1

Grendel 1 - 53:1

Spider-Man 1 Poly-Bagged Silver Edition - 46:1

Evil Ernie 1 - 43:1

Daredevil 169 - 40:1

Spider-Man 1 Platinum Edition - 32:1

Captain America 241 - 31:1

X-Men 131 - 30:1

X-Men 139 - 29:1

Batman 428 - 27:1

Daredevil 165 - 25:1

Daredevil 170 - 24:1

Primer 2 - 21:1

Cry For Dawn 1 - 21:1

Amazing Spider-Man 202 - 18:1

Caliber Presents 1 - 16:1

X-Men 132 - 16:1

Watchmen 1 - 16:1

Daredevil 163 - 16:1

X-Men 129 - 16:1

Power Man and Iron Fist 66 - 14:1

Amazing Spider-Man 300 - 13:1

X-Men 130 - 13:1

X-Men 136 - 12:1

Amazing Spider-Man 301 - 11:1

Amazing Spider-Man 238 - 11:1

Sandman 8 - 11:1

Batman 427 - 11:1

Uncanny X-Men 212 - 11:1

X-Men 140 - 10:1

Justice League 3 Logo Variant - 10:1

X-Men 134 - 8:1

Harbinger 1 - 8:1

Hellblazer 1 - 8:1

Captain America Annual 8 - 7:1

Batman 426 - 7:1

Daredevil 176 - 7:1

Miracleman 15 - 7:1

X-Men 141 - 7:1

X-Men 133 - 7:1

Amazing Spider-Man 252 - 7:1

Amazing Spider-Man 298 - 6:1

Uncanny X-Men 142 - 6:1

Uncanny X-Men 213 - 6:1

Wolverine Limited Series 4 - 6:1

Batman 400 - 6:1

Amazing Spider-Man 201 - 6:1

Uncanny X-Men 164 - 6:1

Avengers Annual 10 - 5:1

Amazing Spider-Man 208 - 5:1

Wolverine Limited Series 2 - 5:1

Punisher Limited Series 2 - 5:1

Amazing Spider-Man 302 - 5:1

Amazing Spider-Man 289 - 5:1

Amazing Spider-Man 210 - 5:1

Incredible Hulk 340 - 5:1

Uncanny X-Men 268 - 5:1

X-Men 135 - 5:1

Wolverine Limited Series 3 - 5:1

 

[joe_collector]

Very strange math, and you'd think the ratio of 9.2-9.6 copies to the CGC 9.8 ones would be a better barometer.

 

Many of those comics have hundreds of CGC 9.6/9.4 copies, and naturally, very few below 9.2 because no one is dumb enough to submit them. Basically, it proves most submitters are smart.

[jbud73]

Hmm I don't have a problem with the methodology for gauging 9.8s. Seems like a black cover is a factor here.

[joe_collector]

Hmm I don't have a problem with the methodology for gauging 9.8s.

 

Sorry, but I do not see the link between a recent comic having more 9.2 or lower grades, and it being tough to locate in CGC 9.8.

 

For example, let's say we have the following books:

 

Comic X: 35 below the mark, 12 9.4's, 5 9.6's and 1 9.8.

 

Comic Y 96 below the mark, 367 9.4's, 278 9.6's, and 3 9.8's.

 

Now which book would you rate as "harder to get in CGC 9.8"?

[valiantman]

Anyone can make up numbers to prove a point.

 

Show me the REAL numbers that prove the point.

 

Here's the list you're asking for:

 

Ratio of CGC Universal 9.2to9.6 versus 9.8 or higher

(Comics 1980-1992, minimum of 50 Universal CGC submissions)

 

Comic Name - 9.2to9.6 vs. 9.8+

Star Wars 107 - 97:0 (none in 9.8 or higher)

Daredevil 166 - 57:0 (none in 9.8 or higher)

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 - 24:0 (none in 9.8 or higher)

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 21 - 95:1

Daredevil 170 - 70:1

Daredevil 168 - 63:1

Daredevil 169 - 61:1

Captain America 241 - 48:1

Batman 428 - 43:1

Daredevil 165 - 42:1

X-Men 139 - 41:1

Primer 2 - 29:1

Spider-Man 1 Platinum Edition - 29:1

Amazing Spider-Man 202 - 28:1

X-Men 131 - 27:1

Amazing Spider-Man 301 - 26:1

X-Men 132 - 26:1

Watchmen 1 - 24:1

X-Men 129 - 22:1

Grendel 1 - 21:1

X-Men 140 - 20:1

Daredevil 163 - 20:1

Power Man and Iron Fist 66 - 20:1

X-Men 136 - 20:1

Caliber Presents 1 - 19:1

X-Men 130 - 19:1

Evil Ernie 1 - 18:1

Amazing Spider-Man 300 - 17:1

Uncanny X-Men 212 - 16:1

Sandman 8 - 15:1

Harbinger 1 - 15:1

Uncanny X-Men 164 - 15:1

Spider-Man 1 Poly-Bagged Silver Edition - 15:1

Amazing Spider-Man 238 - 14:1

Solar, Man of the Atom 10 - 14:1

Justice League 3 Logo Variant - 14:1

Amazing Spider-Man 208 - 14:1

Batman 427 - 14:1

Amazing Spider-Man 249 - 13:1

Punisher Limited Series 2 - 13:1

Miracleman 15 - 13:1

Batman 426 - 13:1

X-Men 133 - 13:1

Amazing Spider-Man 201 - 12:1

Amazing Spider-Man 317 - 12:1

Uncanny X-Men 142 - 12:1

Avengers Annual 10 - 12:1

X-Men 134 - 12:1

Cry For Dawn 1 - 12:1

Captain America Annual 8 - 12:1

X-Men 141 - 12:1

Amazing Spider-Man 289 - 12:1

 

Looks like a shuffle of the same list!

[the blob]

so many coppers are sent in as 9.4/9.6 pre-screens the 9.2 number isn't particularly relevant.

 

all in all though, i find these low #s of 9.8s surprising because some of those books are ones people are going to submit, at least in some bulk pre-screen. then again, a 9.8 is pretty frigging pristine and to keep even a bagged and boarded 9.8 from looking like a 9.6 after sitting in a box 20-25 years getting pawed over is quite an accomplishment. I can imagine scenarios where that was done, for example triple boarding books on both sides to avoid any potential pine stress from just sitting in the box.

[jediknight]

Still an intersting attempt. It's another perspective on the CA market. I liked the way you did the ratio stuff. First time I've seen it done like this. I would probably add an additional criteria like a ceiling on 9.8s because I would not include some of those Xmen in there as there are too many 9.8s on em'.

[dudeman5000]

Math makes my head hurt! Seriously though, when you get yourself motivated to go after the highest grades out there, you have to realistically look at the possibility of even acquiring the highest grades. On a popular title, you may increase your chances of getting the high grade books at a premium due to demand. I am trying to complete my Marvel Micronauts run and although I have gotten some issues at a steal, most of these were .25 box fodder and I am having a tough time finding about 20 or so. The ratio system above is similar to the one I have in figuring out how much I am willing to pay for those elusive issues. Good times!

[MutantKeys]

Anyone can make up numbers to prove a point.

 

Show me the REAL numbers that prove the point.

 

Here's the list you're asking for:

 

Ratio of CGC Universal 9.2to9.6 versus 9.8 or higher

(Comics 1980-1992, minimum of 50 Universal CGC submissions)

 

 

Star Wars 107 - 97:0 (none in 9.8 or higher)

Thats wrong Valiantman I just saw one on ebay not to long ago.One does exist...

[AbsoluteCarnage]

Not too sure on that formula but here's what I think are some of the hardest copper agers mind you you did nail a few of them in your list.

 

-ASM202

-ASM208

-ASM216 - I sold the only one with WP 2 years ago - Damn!

-ASM220 - Good luck finding this

-ASM221

-ASM226

-ASM228

-ASM230

-ASM249 - A few out there but still not enough

 

I only listed Amazing spider-man issues as that's really all my interests are in with regards to comic collecting and X-Men but for now mainly ASM. Alot of Web of Spider-man issues after 10 don't even have 9.8's in the census so I guess not alot of ppl submitted that line.

[valiantman]

Anyone can make up numbers to prove a point.

 

Show me the REAL numbers that prove the point.

 

Here's the list you're asking for:

 

Ratio of CGC Universal 9.2to9.6 versus 9.8 or higher

(Comics 1980-1992, minimum of 50 Universal CGC submissions)

 

 

Star Wars 107 - 97:0 (none in 9.8 or higher)

Thats wrong Valiantman I just saw one on ebay not to long ago.One does exist...

 

 

You quoted something from JUNE.

[juggernaut]

The interesting numbers are comics that have less than 50 submissions. We should looking and crunching the numbers for those copper age books.

 

Example: Cerebus, Tick, Gobbleygook, Grendel, Flaming Carrot, etc....

[MutantKeys]

Anyone can make up numbers to prove a point.

 

Show me the REAL numbers that prove the point.

 

Here's the list you're asking for:

 

Ratio of CGC Universal 9.2to9.6 versus 9.8 or higher

(Comics 1980-1992, minimum of 50 Universal CGC submissions)

 

 

Star Wars 107 - 97:0 (none in 9.8 or higher)

Thats wrong Valiantman I just saw one on ebay not to long ago.One does exist...

 

 

You quoted something from JUNE.

[MutantKeys]

Uncanny X-Men 164 - 15:1...This is a toughie..Im submitting a 9.8 hopeful at next weeks con

[skinny_white_boy]

Transformer #80 32:0

[MutantKeys]

Transformer #80 32:0

[skinny_white_boy]

Quiet you.

 

Definitely ranks as one of the toughest Copper books to find in high grade.

[MutantKeys]

if it pops up I know who wants it

[skinny_white_boy]

[carcrawfordfan]

TF 80 is super hard...I had/have had about 50 of these in the past 2 years and I think I got about 2 9.4s and nothing higher. This is a very hard issue and I do not even know that I have ever seen a 9.6!!