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Fantastic Four Collecting Thread!
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As for direct evidence of Kirby intentionally witholding new ideas, just look to the comics! I love them dearly, but it's a series of already existing villains and androids from 68 on. That Kirby was able to choose to do this offers evidence that he was the primary writer. Occasionally Stan would say "let's bring back Dr. Doom", and we got a rehash of "The Prisoner" in FFs 84-87. The Skrull story in 90-93 was inspired by Star Trek. The Surfer/Galactus story in 74-77 was ordered to promote Stan's solo Surfer book. It is also kind of a mess if you read it closely. For more on that, I refer you to the Kirby Museum article "A Failure to Communicate".

A Failure To Communicate – Part One | The Kirby Effect (kirbymuseum.org)

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On 3/3/2022 at 6:36 PM, Straw-Man said:

being a g.a. torch collector, i especially love the cover to 20; in the silver age, the torch is typically featured on the covers in flight, leaving a flaming trail behind him.  in the golden age, schomburg usually had him burning a hole thru something, and leaving a little ring of flame/molten material in his wake.   this is the only one i recall from the ff covers where he has the burning hole.  here are somee good examples from the g.a.

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Beautiful Billy! So which do you prefer: Kirby’s Silver Age Torch or Schomburg’s Golden Age Torch?

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On 3/3/2022 at 5:36 PM, Straw-Man said:

being a g.a. torch collector, i especially love the cover to 20; in the silver age, the torch is typically featured on the covers in flight, leaving a flaming trail behind him.  in the golden age, schomburg usually had him burning a hole thru something, and leaving a little ring of flame/molten material in his wake.   this is the only one i recall from the ff covers where he has the burning hole.  here are somee good examples from the g.a.

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He’s kind of burning through a stone wall on this cover, but not with the molten coloring of the G.A. torch.FF54.thumb.jpg.7d65d17f438e7bf9529ebbb1d4768a16.jpg

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On 3/3/2022 at 9:04 PM, Straw-Man said:

i go with the artist who did this one.

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WTF?  When was this released?  Marvel mostly ate DC's lunch around this time, so watching DC try to denigrate the characters that were killing them is ironically funny.  lol

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