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Do you now wish that out of all of the books that you have had, that this would be the single one that you had kept to this point in time?

It's not showing up on the Heritage site. It most certainly does, as it's right here when you click onto this following link: https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-45-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7229-96169.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 Certainly a shocking price when we thought the high point for a mid-grade copy was the CGC 5.0 graded copy that CC was able to sell for $57K in one of their Event Auctions a few years ago.

Yes, are you just as surprised as me that it still managed to fetch so much money on the second go-round? Especially since I assume by your post that it must have gotten an upgrade from the last time that it sold for a slightly higher dollar value 8 years ago, especially since this is a sign that the book might possibly have been monkeyed around with in order to acheive the upgrade. On the other hand since I am not sure what the book graded at when it sold for $4,080 and might have been nothing more than a straight resubmit with CGC simply undergrading the book on the first go-round. Unlike more recent books which are easier to hide since there are so many uber HG copies floating around whereby the CGC generation of collectors tend to dig a little deeper for higher graded labels, this is not necessarily done when it comes to the GA books where it seems to be less about the label and more about the underlying book itself. If this CGC 9.8 graded copy was a slightly lower graded copy on the first go-round, it's relatively easy for any potential bidder who was aware of the 2012 sale to know that this higher graded copy is exactly the same book and would then assume that it was simply "juiced up" in order to get the higher grade. In this above scenario here which we have seen many times before, the higher grade label doesn't necessarily always translate into a higher price for the book. But that sure is an absolutely stunning and eye-popping orange beauty of a cover here.

Was you lucky enough to still be around collecting in the latter part of the 90's when he found the Pacific Coast pedigree and brought that collection to market?

Hey, I just said I bought a few books from him a couple days ago I meant from the dealer point of view like Fishler and Heritage now, as opposed to high end deep pocketed customers like you.

This video reminds me of the time I was down at one of the SD Con's back in the early to mid 90's with my family. My better half was surprised that Fishler was so cavalier with these expensive keys as he was just whipping them out of the holders without paying too much attention to them at all while talking to you at the same time, as though they were just your regular worthless new books that had just come out last week. Especially in comparison to Robert Roter from PCE which my kids found rather funny as he would slowly put on his pair of white gloves on and then slowly and very carefully puled the book out from the holder, as though he was working with very explosive nitroglycerin.

I say it won't Just took a much closer look at the scans for both of these books and I think you are most probably correct in your assessment here. It would appear that the CC copy was graded back in 2013 and appears to be slightly more loosely graded as compared to the HA copy graded this current year.

I just looked at his website. Not a single book over $5k. He has stepped back from the stress, maybe Good to hear that he's still keeping a hand in the game as I remember buying a few books from him back in the day. Guess he's no longer as active as before since Four Color has not advertised in the Overstreet Guide for a few years now and Robert is also no longer listed as one of their advisors for the first time this year. From the video though, it sounds as though he has moved away from the high end of the market where he was saying that it wasn't any different and wasn't any harder to sell a $5K book as it does to sell a $500 book. Basically just the same sale, but only for more money and hence a better end of the market for him to focus on. Guess it's either no longer that way anymore for him or that he probably doesn't have quite the same access as before since he no longer seems to be hanging around with the high rollers in the marketplace.

C-link Well, if it's CL, then it's no wonder as we can't see ANY of their sales or non-sales for that matter.

Not sure how practical it is to try to keep track of prices since it is already hard enough to right now, and now you are expecting us to keep track of individual state taxes. Especially since the location of the buyer has always resulted in additional ancillary costs in the past before and we never bothered with them at that time. Especially in the case of foreign buyers where there is usuallly a rather stiff customs import duty involved.

What auction website did this $120K sale or shall we say non-sale took place back in February of 2019?

So, a continuing downward trend then.

Ok, fellas.........let's just quit and place your bets as to whether the 8.0 copy in this current CC auction is going to pass the Heritage juiced in price of $180K or not?

What wall books..........I only see "hands on" books. I'll take them all now at the prices which they are quoting. Absolutely love the close up shot and superb condition of the super rare and truly HTF New Book of Comis #1. Looks like this was well before CGC and even before Vinnie joined Metro, especially when they mentioned getting pictures back from the phot lab. I would assume it must be from sometime around the early to mid-90's since that was when Robert Rogovin and Fishler were working quite close together.

The part that I found rather odd is the fact that they have automated links at the bottom of the auction listing to all other available copies of the same book which they currently have for sale in their inventory. Definitely handy for potential bidders since it gives them a good idea what other copies of the same book are going for and kind of gives them an idea of the max price they should probably be bidding. Not sure if this feature is in place just for this particular Event Auction only, since I believe this auction is generally for non-consigned books as a test of their new auction site. I highly doubt rational consignors would ever want to consign books to an auction site which then uses their consigned book to promote all other competing copies which the auction house currently has available for sale from within their vast inventory database.

That's totally understandable as they simply had way too much garbage and useless tabs all over their Main page and definitely hard to see unless you knew where to look for the Sold tab. I only found out about it because a boardie had pointed it out to me. Even then, it was still not as easy to use as this newest revamp version with you needing only to enter the title and issue number of the book which you are searching for, as opposed to doing this on a page populated with countless other unncessary fields which you didn't actually have to fill in.

Don't most of the comic book auction houses,with the notable exception of Heritage, have no BP juice added when you win a book? I know for sure that ComicConnect doesn't have a Buyer's Premium, although I do believe CL tacks on an additional 3% charge to the buyer if they use a credit card to make payment. If you use a credit card for a CC winning (max is up to $2,500), the 3% credit card fee is charged to the consignor of the book, and not to the buyer.

Previous auction sales correct if you use the sold tab it brings it all up. I looked up a couple books i’ve won and many that i’ve lost and sure enough they were there. They always had the Sold tab even on their old auction website. It was just located on the left hand side of their main page right at the bottom. The only problem is that it had not been updated for their past few auctions and this latest revamp they did seems to have finally brought their so-called auction "archives" up-to-date. I know that the results for the Berk Auction were in there along with the ones for a few more of the Event Auctions after that, but then not so much after that. The thing I didn't like about it is that it is not as user friendly as the HA archives since you can't see the date or final price until you actually click onto the listing. The other thing I don't like and what I was hoping they might have fixed with their revamp (but they didn't) was to have a date included for their non-auction sales. Still, better than no archives at all and it's certainly nice to see that they finally brought it up-to-date.

Well, we've got this CGC 8.0 graded copy ending in just a bit more than 2 weeks from now on the CC Event auction site: Already sitting at $112K and it will be interesting to see if they can beat the $180K HA price point for a CGC 8.0 graded copy or even their own $192K which they were able to get this past December in their Winter Event Auction.

I could be wrong maybe one single copy someone just had to own went for $260 000 in 2017. Again that happens one person pays way way to much years before it actually is worth that. Edited 1 hour ago by Batmanis#1 No you are right that someone paid $260k for a CGC 8.0 with a CVA sticker on it, but then after two months of holding the book, the seller decided to flip the book and it sold for less @ $235k. I think that was a strong price then and now. Although I do indeed see the $192K sale on CC back a few months ago in December of 2019, I can't seem to see the one for $120K earlier in 2019. Their archive is definitely not as user friendly as the HA archives since you have to click onto the actual book before you can see the price and the date, although there's no dates for the non-auction sales. But still a whole lot better than CL which basically erases all of their sales history from their bidders. Well, since that $260K sale had a CVA sticker with the book, it must have been one from CL and the reason why we don't have any sales history on it. If I remember correctly, that was most likely a couple of years ago right during the peak of the market for pretty much all copies of AF 15 at the time.

You come across as this sweet man but you have a dark side! No, that would most certainly NOT be me by a long shot. Although I will admit I remember actually giving him calls in between his calls to me just to dig the knife in a little bit deeper whenever I was bored, because he just seem so un-Danny like when the shoe is on the other foot. Definitely frustrating to start, but so deliciously satisfying in the end. Even now after almost 30 years, a smile still comes to my face when I think about this dealing I had with Danny Boy.

Mitch; Although you've been expounding this SELL NOW strategy and BUY BACK LATER at lower prices to board members here, it's really kind of hard for us to take it too seriously in light of the fact that you yourself are not adopting this strategy since it sounds as though you are simply holding onto all of your own personal books.

+1 Definitely agree with you that this was a fantastic deal for the buyer who was able to pick up a nicely presenting copy relative to the assigned CGC grade, and for a truly HTF book at a price point to boot which was just under 60% of condition guide. Then again, I guess this is an indication that the pre-hero DC market save for a very limited number of select books has been on the cool side for awhile now. Similar in view to this book which I have always thought sported an absolutely superb classic cover by Simon & Kirby: This book seems to have fallen on hard times recently and this auction was no exception, with this copy going for a bargain basement price of only $4,560 or at a price point of just a shade over 56% of condition guide. Of course, there's always the theory that it's best to buy books at a huge discount (like anything else) when they are out of favor and hopefully wait for them to come back into vogue again, but then I imagine that really depends upon how patient you are.

Not sure what you are exactly referring to here? Are you referring to their previous auction results and non-auction sales results?

+1 With the huge discount that is usually applied to books that are trimmed, this seems to be a big time error on the part of CGC in terms of not indicating the trimming right on the label of the slab. In fact, enough of an error that should in theory allow the buyer of the book to return if they so wish, I would imagine.