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Well, if it's deemed to be part of the poor production or printing process, then I thought CGC is not supposed to factor it into account like a normal spine split due to poor storage/mishandling, similar to how they do not take the full impact of the fugly Marvel chipping into account on the early SA Marvel books?

This actually sounds very similar to the current comic book market in terms of the truly vintage collectible comic book market, as opposed to the highly speculative and gimmicky Modern Age comic book market.

The death rate for the flu and common cold in the U.S. are exponentially less common than that for Covid-19. The death rate for flu in the United States is 1/10th of 1%. The WHO said this week that the death rate for Covid-19 is 3.4%. That is 34x higher. Now, it appears that the mortality rate may well descend as more data comes in, but it may also be that as more data comes in others factors will highlight unique risks that Covid-19 poses that the flue does not. Yes, but you have to take into account that 0.1%+ of a much bigger number like the estimated 45 million annual seasonal flu cases (eg. there were actually an estimate of 61,000 associated deaths in America from the seasonal flu last year) is still exponentially higher than 3.4% of a much smaller number like say 4,000 or possibly even 5,000 cases of Covid-19 by the time it's all said and done. Personally, I still think it's a complete overreaction to all of the fear monegering that's going around because Covid-19 is something brand new and definitely something that we don't understand yet, especially in relationship to the seasonal flu and common cold which is also deadly in some cases. Like I have stated in other threads here before, if they started to do a real-time body count on the number of seasonal flu cases and associated deaths and the gneral public and social media platforms reacted to it similar to how they have reacted to Covid-19, you would probably see the entire world locked down into their homes and the Dow Jones, S&P 500, and all of the other global stock markets approaching zero.

When I clicked onto these 2 links that you had posted here, the first thing that came to my mind was this book here and thinking that Anthony Chiofalo must have gotten out of the clinker early and back working with the Tandano Corporation once again: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/all-star-comics-3-billy-wright-pedigree-dc-1940-cgc-vf-85-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7054-91043.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 Still remember this Billy Wright copy being auctioned off for $49K plus change and then the buyer flipping it off to Chiofalo for a mere $200K through the HA Make Offer To Owner Feature in only a week after the auction had closed. Took a closer look at the 2 JLA listing and figured it couldn't be good old Tony at work again because he would never be that patient enough to wait 9 and 7 years respectively after the auctions had closed to make his purchases.

That was mind boggling. 30-40x guide on HG JLA is the new norm. https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/justice-league-of-america-11-dc-1962-cgc-nm-mt-98-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7036-91176.s?ic19=MotoOffers-ItemDescription-041718 https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/justice-league-of-america-12-twin-cities-pedigree-dc-1962-cgc-nm-96-off-white-pages/a/7079-91181.s?ic19=MotoOffers-ItemDescription-041718 Bargains are everywhere kids. It sure looks that way.............maybe the owner doesn't realize the JLA 21 just sold for $32,400 and the hopeful buyer is trying to pull a fast one over the owner. , the money, that is!!! Looks like the owner has a CGC label collector by the short hairs and I think he should definitely squeeze him as hard as he can and go for $30K+ on each of those highest graded books.

Holy )(*))_()_(_!!! $8k!! underbidder again! Any bets that the winner of these 3 Frazetta Famous Funnies (i.e. FF 213 - FF215) just might be the same bidder and you have simply punsihed bid them and made them pay through the nose for these copies here. Especially with respect to this 7.5 graded copy of Famous Funnies 213 at the take home price of $9,600; especially considdring there are 9 copies graded higher. You might have just lucked out here since this possible outlier of a price just might draw more copies of this classic Frazetta cover book out into the marketplace and if you are patient enough, you just might hopefully be able to pick up an even nicer copy at a lower price point.

Wowzers, so this was your copy of Spidey that sold in Thursday's session??: If so, congrats and very well done!!!

I think it's pretty much common knowledge and a fact that there's a large supply of AF 15's within the hobby place, especially considering all of the raw copies sitting in pprivate collections that still haven't crossed a grading table yet. But it's also always relative since the general consensus and opinion of most boardies here is that demand for this book will also always be high, especially as Spidey is the iconic comic book character that everybody knows and this will always be the key SA Marvel book to go after since it features his first appearance.

+1 Too bad you missed out on these 2 books, but it looks like you are pretty well bang on with your sentiment here as it definitely lines up with what's currently showing up in the CGC Census Population Report. In terms of the Frazetta Famous Funnies run, it looks like the current census count for CGC 9.2 grades and above are as follows: FF 209 with 16 copies; FF 210 with 25 copies; FF 211 with 13 copies; FF 212 with zero copies and the highest graded being 2 copies in CGC 9.0 grade; FF 213 also with zero copies and the highest graded being 1 copy in CGC 9.0 grade; FF 214 with 3 copies; FF 215 with zero copies and the highest graded being 2 copies in CGC 9.0 grade, and then FF 216 with 5 copies in CGC 9.2 or higher. This kind of lines up with what I remember seeing in the Diamond vault as I believe they had the Overstreet copies in cherry condition for the first few issues, but pretty much none of the later issues. My clear 2 favorites are the Famous Funnies 213 and 214 covers, so it will interesting to see where the CGC 7.5 graded copy of FF 213 finishes up at later this afternoon since it's already sitting at $3,720 with the BP juice right now.

Now, this is another one of those classic whimsical Centaur covers that I haven't seen before. And a copy that definitely presents very nicely with its strong bright yellow cover.

As per recent trends from the past couple of years, it clearly looks like the Frazetta Famous Funnies issues are really starting to differentiate in prices: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/science-fiction/famous-funnies-214-eastern-color-1954-cgc-nm-92-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7224-92040.s?ic16=ViewItem-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-JumpLot-081514 As clearly evident by the fact that this absolutely gorgeous and eye-popping red moon cover went for $7,800 while the 9.2 Famous Funnies 210 went for only $2,640 and the 9.0 Famous Funnies 215 sold for $5,520. It would also appear that these prices had a lot to do with availablity in grade as both othe FF 214 and FF 215 shared in being the current highest graded copies while the FF 210 had an additional 14 copies in higher grade.

Haven't had time yet to do any historical price comparisons, but I woild have to say that the GGA related cover books still seems to be holding up there in price. Here's another example of what I thought was another strong price for a GGA related book: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/humor/comedy-comics-1-mile-high-pedigree-marvel-1948-cgc-nm-94-white-pages/a/7224-92028.s?ic16=ViewItem-Auction-Archive-JumpLot-081514 Sure, it's a Church copy and the single highest graded copy and all that, but I thought $9,600 was definitely still a pretty strong price for the book.

Yes, I thought for sure that I was going to win this book here with my multiple to guide stratospheric bid of $950: But alas, it was not to be as some other bidder must have come in at the last minute and just nudged me out by a shade with a bid of $7,800 on the book.

I agree...especially with the new website... +1 I would also tend to agree with this sentiment here. Maybe it's a good time then for bottom feeders like me to look for some good deals then. Only problem is that it appears most of the stuff they are posting for this upcoming non-consignment auction are books that I would not be particularly interested in.

No I’m asking about the $700K recent sale that people are referencing? A 9.2 sells for $600K at auction not long ago, and someone conveniently nabs a 9.4 for $700K. Come on. It appears that you are a bit confused about the timing of these 2 transactions here. The 9.2 copy which sold for $598K on the CC auction platform took place in the summer of 2019. According to the Heritage thread on the GA boards, the sale on the 9.4 copy for $705K took place back in 2017 or a couple of years prior to the CC 9.2 sale. This would then make sense from a pricing point of view relative to the timeline of the sale. Not sure where the sale took place, but would assume that it would have been a dealer transaction as GPA also reports on transaction for some of the larger dealers.

Well, since you was such a gentleman and asked so kindly, how about an equivalent graded copy of this book here then: Not this specific copy here since there were about 30 equivalent graded copies to choose from, but sold (at another one of these must buy at any cost price ) for only $4,150 last Fall when CGC 9.6 graded copies could be had for under $100.

will the buyer ever be able to recoup that purchase? I would have to say the buyer of this JLA 21 has a much better chance of recouping their money as opposed to the buyer of this book here: Pretty much in the same ballpark at about a grand cheaper at only $31,111 , with one copy already graded higher plus another 6 copies in equivalent grade at the time this (must buy at any price ) copy sold.

Ummmm...........................I would have to say that it's really more like $18,000 cannot be compared to $2,629. Especially, if the EXACT SAME COPY of the CGC 9.4 highest graded book is on another planet when it is sitting in a 9.6 holder, then I would have to say that $18,000 is in a completely different universe than a mere $2,629 brother!!! , the money, that is.

Well, from my own personal point of view, it's really rather simple. Do NOT paid a 9.6 price for a CGC 9.4 graded book hoping that you can bump it up to a CGC 9.6 graded copy in order to make money on it after holding it for a relatively shiort period of time. A much smarter strategy is to pay a 9.2 price for a CGC 9.4 graded book hoping that you can bump it up to a CGC 9.6 graded copy after holding it for a relatively longer time period.

I wonder why it was only worth about guide the other 4x they sold it. Well, it's starting to get pretty obvious to me that some of you will have to stay over for detention because you have clearly not been paying attention during class. After all, how many more times do you need to be told that 9.6 is actually a higher number than 9.4. It's pretty obvious that those first 4 bozo consignors that sold the book did not know this. And the new lesson for this year, is that nobody wants one of their books with those ugly blue labels when the exact same book will be worth so much more money (say like $18K worth ) sitting in a slab with one of these smart looking black and silver (or is it black and gold) labels:

That was mind boggling. Once again, do you guys not realize it's all about that big big number on the top left, and in this particular case, the absolute highest graded copy IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE all by its lonesome. It should actually be mind boggling that the CGC 9.8 graded copies of both Hulk 191 and Werewolf by Night 32 even came so close to this JLA 21 since there's almost no more room left in the entire universe to hold the other 132 equivalent graded copies of Hulk 181 or the other 18 equivalent graded copies of WWBN 32.

Very weak price point. Not long ago it would have went $50k+. Someone got a bargain. Perhaps. But an informed buyer had but to check the HA archives to see it used to be a 1.0 and the tape pushed it to 1.5. If I were bidding, I'd be bidding 1.0 prices for it. Don't you realize that the Mods are monitoring these boards here and you need to be careful with what you say here. After all, isn't it all about that big number on the left of the slab and nothing else really matters. All kidding aside, like the other GA mega keys, another book that now tends to show up in every single auction and possibly another factor why it sold for lower than what other CGC 1.0 graded copies have sold for in the recent past on the CC auction platform. Really hard to guage sometimes with some of these entry level copies as it also really depends on the particular defects and how the book presents.

The work on this seems easily removable so I could see the price reflecting that and this being in a blue label soon. That's quite possible, but I just took a quick look at the HA archives for the past couple of years and it looks like this book continues to sell at multiples to guide even in restored condition, as evident by these 2 other recent past sales: 1) A CGC 6.0 graded restored copy sold for $21,600 or about 3.25X condition guide back in November of 2018; and 2) A CGC 5.5 graded restored copy sold for $24,000 or about 3.35X condition guide back in November of 2019. So, I imagine this CGC 4.0 graded restored copy selling for $18,000 or just a bit above 3.45X condition guide is just a continuation of the same pricing trend for this highly in-demand GA book. I believe the market value for Cap 3 has been right up there for several years now and one of these years, Overstreet will finally get around to recognizing that Cap 3 is actually not only the second most valuable Cap book out there, but possibly also by a relatively wide margin.

Yeah you’re right. Like I said couldn’t do that to the guys over at HA guess my punishment bid would have been the winning bid oh lordy! No worries about the guys over at HA since you'll be too busy running for cover as I can just imagine what your better half might be saying to you right about now. You might even be looking for another bed to sleep in as your bags might already be packed and out the front door.