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That doubles the price right there! You must mean double the number of opportunities for CGC to reach deep into your pocket as you send all of your pedigree books back in to be reholder all over again, for a cost of course.

Fancy new holder and everything! This new apparent all-black label here: from my point of view, actually looks kind of like the Conserved blue/grey labels here:

Welcome back after such a long time!!! Where have you been after all this time or did you stop collecting for awhile and now got the collecting itch back again?

For those who always claim that Overstreet is irrelevant in terms of today's marketplace, this is actually proof positive that he has and does continue to have a significant influence in the pricing of books. Even though collectors in the know should be well aware of the true first published appearances for both the Sandman and Luthor characters by now, it would appear that the buying public continues to follow along with Overstreet's initial errors if his price guide valuations are an accurate reflection of the true relative valuations between the various books. Especially since Overstreet has a valuation of $170K for Adventure 40 at top of guide, while only a valuation of $31K for NY World's Fair 1939 at top of guide in this year's new edition of the guide. Likewise, Overstreet has a valuation of $70K for Action 23 and yet a valuation of only $17,500 for Supes 4 at top of guide. Common sense should have dictated that this kind of price discrepancy should not be so signficant in light of the initial errors in the price guide. The mere fact that they have and continue to do so to this day shows the continuing influence of the guide even in today's much faster moving marketplace when access to information is much more readily available and more quickly disseminated to the marketplace.

I believe we have a here. Yes, this is definitely the exact same scenario as the GA Sandman where Overstreet had incorrectly given first appearance credits of the Sandman character to Adventure Comics #40. It was not until the 21st edition of his guide back in 1991 before he finally corrected this mistake by stating that although Adventure 40 was the first conceived and drawn Sandman story, the first published appearance of the Sandman was in the pages of New York World's Fair 1939. Although it took Overstreet 21 years before he finally acknowledged his mistake with the Sandman's first appearance, maybe he will hopefully finally get around to acknowledging and correcting his mistake with respect to Luthor's first appearance after 50 long years and in time for next year's edition of the guide.

This actually sounds rather strange to me as I would have expected them to know right off the bat as to exactly which collection is an official pedigree or not. Sounds like this pedigree designation thing might actually still be a bit of a work in progress.

I've never been able to figure out what a Stan Lee File Copy was in terms of its actual provenance? Especially since I apparently thought he had stored all of his comic books down in his basement and the basement got flooded one day and that was pretty much it for his comic book collection. Your point about all of the various File Copies is actually a very valid question. I know that the Gaines File Copies are an actual pedigree even though there were 12 copies for virtaully each of the books. Not so sure if the Harvey File Copies would apply any more as I am not sure if that was part of a huge warehouse find or not? Also not sure about the Poughkeepsie File Copies which I feel should definitely qualify as an official pedigree since they were actual carefully filed office copies, as opposed to a warehouse find. In addition, a good portion of these were from the late 30's and very early 40's with most of them grading into the 9.0's and above. Now, from what I saw, those books looked minty fresh for books that are pretty much 80 years old now.

What was the item and did it sell for a huge discount to condition guide or was it a highly desirable HTF book that was still able to fetch a premium or possibly even a multiple to condition guide?

Why bother to get it graded if he doesn't plan to sell it yet anytime soon? Especially if he doesn't want to subject it to potential SCS damage everytime he wants to take a look at it. If I had a book like that or even anything close or not even close to it for my collection, I would certainly not bother to slab it.

Well, I would have to say so since he has virtually all of the Church Timely books, save for the odd ones such as Cap 1 since it had some slight work done to it. More than made up by the fact that he's got the Allentown copy of Cap 1, which like 'Tec 27, is better than the Church copy.

Don't really know much about the Murphy Anderson File Copies, although they did post a pictures of a few CGC 9.8 graded copies. So, it might hopefully also be primarily HG copies similar to the ones in the Don Rosa pedigree books. At least they would appear to be much better in term of condition quality as compared to the newly announced Cookville, Eldon, and Harold Curtis pedigrees which they also have now bestowed official pedigree status to. Especially in light of the fact that books from these 3 collections are generally only in the mid-grade range and I am not aware of any that would be considered as high grade copies. Of course, there might be the odd exception here and there, but from my own personal point of view, a real stretch to say that they are of true pedigree quality.

Or if want want a higher graded copy and you are also patient enough to wait for another month, you can go for this copy in the upcoming CC Event Auction:

Is Harley now dressing up for Cosplay in order to try to sell more books?

Well, if Newton rings are your concern, then this is your lucky day as CGC has the perfect answer for you now. You can now take advantage of CGC's just announced partnership with eBay whereby they will be providing potential bidders with "likely grading ranges" and "likely label types" based upon reviews of an eBay listing's images as conducted by a CGC expert. Who said that you can't really grade a book from just a scan and that you actually need to have the book in hand to grade it? Why, they can even do a "likely restoration check" of a 68-page GA book just from a front and hopefully back cover scan of the book now. Their expert opinion will then be sent to you with a 100% guarantee of no Newton rings to alleviate your concerns here. Needless to say,all for a slight fee of course and depending upon the level of service you want.

Well, if it's supposedly a book about the pedigrees, of course it should include some of the key books from within that particular pedigree collection. This should most definitely be done regardless if it was graded by CGC, the guys across the street, PGX, HALO, or whoever. In fact, from my personal point of view, it doesn't even need to be graded at all as it should really be all about the pedigree itself and not the grading company. For example, what's the point of talking about the Edgar Church pedigree and not talk about the Action 1 or Marvel 1, or have a write-up about the Allentown Collection without mentioning the 'Tec 27 or the early Fox's just because these books have not yet been graded. Now, to me that would be a total travesty and rather and a non-starter from my own personal point of view. It is interesting to note though that the original group of 4 plus Arnie has now been cut back to a revised group of two (i.e. Matt Nelson & Steve Ritter) plus Arnie. Looks like both West and Mark are no longer involved with the latest version of the book now.

My sentiments exactly! I guess it really depends upon what CGC aspects you are referring to. I would certainly have no problem with the Pedigree Book lining up with the 59 pedigrees that's currently being officially recognized by CGC, as opposed to the 70+ that they were initially intending to cover. I do, however, think it's a waste of time to try to linked it up with a detailed analysis of the relative grade rankings, CGC population stats, number of CGC highest graded copies, etc. as this type of information will become outdated even well before they are done with the book. Especially in this type of marketplace where collectors are encouraged to enhance and resubmit their books on an almost never ending cycle. I really don't need the detailed CGC stats which Ritter was supposedly trying to compile on each one of the collections due to the constant onging changes to this type of information which would actually render large portions of the book irrelevant as time went on. Although the CGC purists will certainly disagree with me here, I personally feel that the Pedigree Book should focus primarily on the back story behind the collections in terms of the original owners who compiled the collections, the founders who discovered the collections and how it was found, basic simple non CGC stats such as the size and time period of the collection, key books within the collection, etc. A book with this type of seminal information in it will be similar in my mind to what the Gerber PhotoJournal was able to accomplished in terms of being a book that will always be relevant and stand the true test of time.

No but how did I miss that one? Nice book. Actually, when I saw this red dinosaur here from the Blue Bolt 107 link above, it instantly reminded me of this little red dino from a later SA DC war book:

For Pressing and what that involves pm @joeypost or use CCS services at CGC, both are in Florida to my knowledge From what boardies are saying on the board here, it sounds as though one of these is top quality work at very reasonable rates while the other is shall we say rather inconsistent, but charges top dollar for their work.

Glad to see that you are now so optimistic based uon this latest update from them. Based upon this new posting from The Books' home page: Work on the book has resumed, but its completion will take a considerable amount of time and effort. I am now hopeful that the book will be completed in time for my still unborn grandchildren to reach full adult collecting age. Wonder what their definition of "considerable" is? Maybe I will have to reset my target to my great grandchildren.

I wish they would just give us their definition of the word "average". Are we supposed to simply assume that their CGC approved definition of average is being defined as "at least a minimum of one"?

I believe some of these newly recognized CGC Pedigrees were already listed on that site before. In fact, I believe they simply did a clean up of the old listing and actually REDUCED it back down from the 70+ listings which were in there before, as it now has details on only the 59 CGC recognized pedigrees. It look like they also did a complete rewite in terms of the stated criteria for a collection to become recognized as a official CGC pedigree. Interesting to note their newly rewritten paragraph in terms of the expected quality for a pedigree collection: There is no set rule as to what the minimum grade average must be for a pedigree collection, but generally speaking, Silver Age collections are held to a higher standard because they are more plentiful, particularly after 1964. Typically Golden Age pedigrees average 8.0 or higher, while Silver Age pedigrees average 9.0 or higher for pre '65 books, and 9.4 or higher for books '65 to present. I know what my definition of average is, but I am not sure what CGCs definition of average would be in light of some of these new collections like the Eldon's, Harold Curtis, and the Cookville's being of high enough quality (i.e. average grade of CGC 8.0) to be considered as a pedigree. It would have been much better if they had been able to introduce a truly high grade and brand new to the market GA collection in support of this launch for their new all-black pedigree labels. Unfortunately, they probably would have had to wait forever for this to have happen, especially since when was the last time a truly HG and pedigree worthy GA collection has surfaced in the hobby place?

Well, it's rather quite obvious to me that you simply don't understand how this market works by the title of your thread here, as you are clearly using the wrong part of his name. Now, I am not sure what the name of the guy on this cover is, but the banter between the 2 women in the background sure seems to have paid off big time here: After all, you certainly can't complain too much when this copy manages to fetch $10,800 as compared to a condition guide value of only $466. Well okay, a CGC 2.5 graded copy was able to reach a piddly sum of only $1,020 as compared to a condition guide value of only $105. So, if you forget all about Tracy and just focus on getting D I C K, you'll do just fine.

Don't worry as I am sure if you wait long enough, they'll have different label designs for the various comic book ages eventually. For an additional fee of course, plus separate invocies and shipping charges for each of the comic book ages. It's a good thing for me that I don't send any books in for slabbing.

I thought if the staples were replaced its a restored label? Wow, there sure seems to be a lot of confusion with the various CGC labels, and understandably so with all of the changes that are constantly taking place. From the way that I read it, staple replacement with vintage staples would indeed be considered as Conservation. As for a married cover, I believe it is neither a Qualified label or a Conserved label according to the following link: https://www.cgccomics.com/news/article/4084/ Sounds to me like it would be a purple Restored label and the quality of the work would then determine the Aesthectic Scale rating for the restoration. I believe the "piece reattachement" that they are referring to for the Conservation category would not include a married cover. Best to actually check with them, although CGC's standards, definitions, and labels are prone to being changed at any point in time as history has clearly shown us.

Not sure about the SA market since books are relatively common in most grades, as long as you are willing to open up your wallet. In the GA market though, this pricing phenomenon has definitely been taking place for quite a few years now. Even to the point whereby old slow conservative Bob is showing much larger percentage increases for the lower grade copies of certain GA keys or HTF rarer books, as compared to lower percentage increases for the higher grade copies of these same books. No doubt also highly influenced by the fact that HG copies of these kinds of books simply don't tend to show up in the marketplace, except only after several years if lucky or not even at all. Ironically, it seems to work the same way in terms of throwing out the guide for uber HG copies of key SA or BA books which tend to sell at huge multiples to top of guide. With GA books like 'Tec 31 or Action 13, you can throw out the guide as entry level copies of these books also sell for ridiculous multiples to bottom of guide. I guess that's why Overstreet don't have price valuations for condition levels above NM- 9.2 or below Good 2.0 as prices are often times way too volatile in these grades.