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Well, if you are a back issue and vintage comic book specialist, you probably already know what the 2020 guide prices are, let alone the ones for this coming 2019 price guide. Although I guess it's always nice to get some kind of confirmation from the supposed authority in this hobby of ours.

I would tend to agree with you here. If he didn't find some way to rationalize the decision he had made and ended up dwelling on it every day, he surely indeed would have been dead a long time ago.

I remember reading this article quite awhile ago. Like he said, he doesn't regret it at all..............if he had kept his 10% share of the company, he would have been dead a long time ago.

Well, if you are a comic store, shouldn't you be receiving your order from Diamond on Tuesday evening in order to prep for Wednesday selling?

that's up next or maybe new labels for GA, SA, BA, CA etc ... or even GOLD labels for highest certified books, SILVER for second, BRONZE for third. endless ... Endless is probably right as CCG seems to be totally focussed right now on generating as many additional streams of revenues as possible. Looks like all of the recent label changes is their latest technique, so that you too can pay an additional charge to have your vintage collectible comic book encased in one of their atrocious looking gimmicked manufactured collectible slabs. Honestly, I would not be surprised at all if after this latest go round with the all black pedigree label, CGC ends up rolling out an even more special and unique label for the original legacy pedigrees that we all know. Now, who wouldn't pay to have their books reholdered in one of those truly special pedigree slabs, especially when you wouldn't want it to be confused with one of these new quasi border line pedigrees now being designated by CGC? Sad to say but in fact, similar to the current Marvel labels, Walking Dead labels, and what have you, it would also not surprise me at all if they eventually come up with uniquely designed labels (for an additional fee of course ) for each one of these legacy pedigrees. Now, no collector in their right mind would ever be able to pass up the opportunity to get their unique pedigree book encased with a special label uniquely designed just for that pedigree.

It's actually even less reason to resubmit unless it's either time for you to sell or you have a bank account with no limit. After all, I believe this is just only another step in continuing label changes for CGC in their quest to generate additional revenue streams going forward.

$5 BUT Evidently, if you do a sub and don't get all the books with the labels, then the special label ones are shipped seperately..... causing an extra charge I believe... Would this be a $5 discount so that they can place your collectible comic book into one of those atrocious looking gimmicked manufactured collectible slabs of theirs? I might consider doing it if it was free of charge for the grading then, but definitely not for a truly vintage collectible comic book.

I guess I missed this in their news release, how much more does CGC charge for these special Marvel labels as compared to their regular labels?

Careful. Parrino lost his shirt and much more investing in comic books. Well, that's because he had over paid to acquire those books in the first place. His second mistake was trying to exit the market way too soon before giving much of a chance for the books to go up in value. Now, that's definitely a perfect recipe for losing your shirt in any type of collectibles marketplace.

That's actually an excellent call on the Rawhide Kid #17 as there were a few big sales there for huge multiples to condition guide. Of course, with an already triple digit percentage gain in this year's guide, it's hard to tell if Overstreet is going to be quite as aggressive on it again, especially considering how few sales there actually are of this book. I was actually thinking of Millie the Model #1 myself, before checking and then realizing that it was actually a GA book. As past history has also shown us, it's also usually not very good for the marketability of a book if Overstreet moves too fast on a price. Especially since buyers like any other kinds of investors, tends to purchase items which they perceive to still be undervalued, as opposed to purchasing items which they percieve to be fully valued or dare we say possibly even over valued. You are 100% correct in that it's a lot easier to have a bigger percentage gain when you are starting from a much smaller absolute dollar base. It's good to note that Overstreet finally got around to expanding his list for both BA and CA from a Top 10 list to a Top 25 for both ages in his 2018 guide. Any bets that even if Rawhide Kid 17 makes a huge jump to get into the SA Top 25, Overstreet will not realize it as he seems to be so super hero focused. Similar to how Scooby Doo #1 should actually have been on the BA Top 10 list starting a few years ago, before Overstreet finally belatedly debuted it in the #6 spot in the 2018 guide.

Over the last few decades I’d probably agree with you but the last few years suggests the tides may be changing especially if you are talking Silver and Bronze books. The odds of a random book popping in price may be good but in the mean time the rest of the set will have dropped in price. From a profit perspective I see having a few nice keys could pan out better over the long run in my opinion. +1 For every non-key that pops in value, you would most likely end up with 100 non-keys that absolutely flat lined or possibly even dropped down in value over the years. A perfect example would be the Captain Marvel movie which was such a huge success from a movie point of view. Although we certainly did see a pop in the price for Ms. Marvel #1, the rest of the run didn't really see much movement since today's speculators tends to focus almost entirely on the keys only and nothing else. Of course, the one that virtually everybody missed here would hve been MSH #13 which was collected by far fewer collectors at the time. So, if this is the best case scenario for a book with a blockbuster movie behind it, imagine what the results would be for non-keys that has no movie or television hype behind it.

Like I've been saying for the past few years: In this current red hot marketplace, it's a lot easier to sell one $10K comic book, as opposed to trying to sell a thousand $10 comic books. In your particular case though, the same would still apply in terms of trying to sell one hundred $100 comic books or fifty $200 comic books. Especially in terms of the hassle and additional cost involved with shipping and grading all of those books.

So the upside is that you may help someone launder money? No, the upside is that you'll be able to stuff an extra $150K into your jeans. The downside will be borne by Heritage as you'll suddenly realize that it's all about money laundering and like the good citizen that you are, report it accordingly. But only after it's safely stuffed away and the authorities or Heritage can't legally get their greedy hands on it anymore.

The pro is that you too could be lucky enough to get a crazy offer like this and be able to make more than $150K or more than 3 times your initial outlay in less than a week's time: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/all-star-comics-3-billy-wright-pedigree-dc-1940-cgc-vf-85-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7054-91043.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

Proof of what P.T. Barnum said in that there actually is one born every minute.

In 100% agreement with you on this particulat point.

So, are you trying to tell us that there's absolutely no truth to the rumours that you've rebooked your flights to SD to ensure that you would be first in line at the CGC booth to get these new and improved labels from them for all of your Edgar Church and Allentown books?

The actual word pedigree refers more to somethings line or lineage or origins. An original owner collection will fit that description. However people can and do dress up the term to something like “a fine lineage” so it’s a subjective term at that point. In comics I don’t think we will ever have a general consensus of what “deserves” to “earn” that term so if CGC wants to do their own list I don’t see it being more correct or less correct than other people’s imagined thoughts of what “is worthy” for the label note. I would respectfully strongly disagree with your point of view here. Although the word "pedigree" would indeed have many differnt connations in terms of its general public usage, it has had a long held clear and succinct meaning in the sphere of the comic book hobby place. Being a long term collector in this hobby, I am definitely much more in tune with Overstreet's definition of the word "pedigree", which is as follows: "A book from a famous nd unusally high grade collection - e.g. Allentown, Lamont Larson, Edgar Church/Mile High, Denver, San Francisco, Cosmic Aeroplane, etc. Beware of non-pedigree collections being promoted as pedigree books: only outstanding high grade collections similar to those listed qualify." Even in terms of CGC itself, it has (or had ) always set relatively high criteria before it will declare that a collection is considered to be a pedigree. These criteria included original ownership, vintage material including the presence of key books, breadth of collection, size of collection, and most definitely, books of high grade quality. Looks like CGC will have to be revising their definition next week and downgrading their threshold criteria accordingly when they add in some of these new pedigrees. Personally, you will never be able to convince me that a Harold Curtis or an Eldon book should be treated in the same light as a Edgar Church or a Tom Reilly book, or that a Cookville book should be viewed the same as an Allentown or a Denver book. To each their own, but that's just crazy talk to me.

Nobody cares about the slab when it comes to this particular book as it's really all about the naughty banter between the 2 women in the background. Anybody read the interior story as I am just wondering what the guy's name is?

Near the top of the announcement pasted on the first page, "Only pedigrees that qualify for a Universal grade will receive the new label." Well, that's too bad as I think that a nice black and gray combination would be a very appealing blend of colors to have on a label. Actually, never cared for their current pale blue as it is just so unappealing cold and a color which seems seems so devoid of life.

Good choice for a demo. This color match is sick. +1 Will definitely agree with you that this new all-black label would look good with the all-black or all dark cover books. I am just a bit surprised that they didn't choose to go with this copy of Hit 5, as opposed to the lower grade BW copy: Or even better yet, they probably should have gone with an as yet unseen dark cover book such as the Church copies of either All-American 61 or Suspense Comics #8. Now, those two yet to be seen black cover books would have been much more newsworthy in terms of hyping this new label.

Yes, since it seems that many of these new pedigrees will have books in similar condition as the one pictured above, I wonder if CGC will have to revise their definition as to what a pedigree book is. Especially the one to do with condition, since I believe some of these new pedigrees would not meet this particular criteria: The collection must be high-grade. Comics from the Silver Age in general would have to be 9.2 and higher, and a collection of exclusive Silver Age material must have an average grade of 9.4. Golden Age comics would have to be high-grade as well. For example, the Lost Valley collection consisted of many golden age books from before 1941 that were technically mid-grade, but were almost across the board the highest graded copy for that book. Page quality must be nice as well.

I will most definitely agree with you 100% that CCG is right on the ball when it comes to being a successful business entity, and as such, totally focused on looking for new avenues to max out both their top and bottom lines. They certainly seem to have absolutely no problem with creating new additional streams of revenues whereby they can enticed the CGC generation of collectors and speculators to submit the exact book into them not only once for grading, but to happily resubmit it multiple times for an additional fee of course, for whatever latest changes or rationale they can come up with. Doesn't matter whether it's for pressing, other newly approved enhancements, loose grading, tight grading, unrestored, conservation, undisclosed changes to their grading standards, disclosed changes to both their grading and restoration standards, etc. The list could go on forever as I am sure this will continue ad nauseam going forward because so much of their customer base keeps falling for it. Yet, every now and then, the question arises on the boards here as to why some collectors do not bother to get their books slabbed. The usual answer is that there's no point to slabbing a book until it comes time to sell it. This latest move by CGC just gives additional weight to this point that it would be much smarter and safer for their pocket book if the customer just submitted and pay to have the book graded only once before resale, as opposed to paying multiple times simply to chase after CGC's latest grading or slabbing iteration.

Have you considered asking CGC to do it free of charge and also pay for your shipping so that you can help them promote their new money grabbing label? Especially since it is starting to be seen for what it is and as a big joke by many of the longer term collectors, and even moreso with some of the newly minted pedigrees which they have just announced.

Two words: Money grab