lou_fine

So, what color label do the Restored or Conserved pedigree books get now? Does the Pedigree Black trump everything else or are we going to end up with quasi black/purple labels for the Restored pedigrees and a quasi black/grey label for the Conserved pedigrees?

Aren't you a bit behind the times here? I believe what all collectors want to see now is all black when they look across the tops of their slabs as that's the newest rage.

Yes indeed, I would believe so: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/454264-cgc-announces-new-pedigree-labels-and-new-pedigrees/

Only the best! Why in the world would you even bother sending them in now as these are only the best, but not yet the best of the best. With something like 60 odd pedigrees out there, I am sure that CGC will eventually get around to introducing a Premium Pedigree Diamond encrusted slab in the not too distant future to recognize the true original pedigrees such as the Edgar Church MH books, Tom Reilly SF books, Larson's, Allentown's, Pacific Coast. This really special and Premium Pedigree list will probably be limited to less than 10 of the truly big name pedigrees that every collector would know, as opposed to so many of these so-called no-name pedigrees that we are starting to see right now. They just need to wait for everybody to send in and pay to have all of their current pedigrees reholdered into the new slabs before introducing their new and super improved Diamond encrusted Premium Pedigree label and slab a few years from now.

I noticed this too. What I noticed is that the Tandano Corporation must have figured that they had waited long enough and are now trying to get out from under these books, as I noticed quite a few of the big books are being auctioned off on their behalf.

I believe you are giving Overstreet more credit than he actually deserves here in terms of his pricing updates. Since he's at least a full year behind as this year's edition will be based upon a "smoothing average" incorporating last year's market results, I don't think you'll see the impact of the FF movement until next year's edition in 2020. After all, I believe the run up on the FF books did not start until the latter part of 2018 and into 2019, whereas his guide is supposedly takes into account what happened in all of 2018. Take a look at the huge runup in the AF 15 prices over the past couple of years and he bumped up his top of guide valuation by only 7% for this book in his 2018 edition of the guide. Interesting to note that he bumped up FF 1 by 14% or twice as much, so I guess you never really know with Overstreet.

Now, now, do you really need to ask as I believe everybody here including you already knows the answer to this question. It's really all about transferring from one party to the other party, namely from the collecting base here to the host company here.

I personally love NHs - the PQ I have seen and possess of these is extremely nice and the couple I have had graded are higher grade. Small sample I know. Lots of westerns in the NHs - didn't Payette discover this collection? That's certainly good to know. Yes, the wirite-up from CGC state that the NH Collection went through an agent to Jim Payette. Looks like Payette was really on the ball back then in the late 80's with discovering and being the central figure behind both the Denver and the Allentown pedigrees. Also, hope that this pedigree will finally manage to spark some kind of fire to the multi-decades moribund drifting in the long forgotten Western genre.

Don't really know anything at all about the New Hampshire books, but I believe CGC has just now significantly lowered the bar for pedigree status in terms of the books needing to be of high grade quality. Based upon many of the books which I have seen from some of these new pedigrees, they are not of the same high grade levels as the original GA pedigrees such as the Church, Reilly's, Allentown's, etc. The best thing I can say about them is that they all appear to be clearly identifiable with clear and distinct markings.

I believe the real question is how many will be paying up to get their new black labels? Good customer service would be providing this new label free of charge for previously slabbed books as CGC already made good money when these books were initially graded. Of course, this will never happen as ths is the real business world and not how the game is played.

That's what I had figured. From the relatively low winning bid for this copy here, I guess none of the other bidders thought this copy had come from the SF Collection also.

Yes, my mail box is starting to get full now with all of the Auction Outbid Notices that I am receiving here.

Or you could simply look at trying to buy a bigger bookcase to hold them all. well, I just got off the phone with Bob himself, and he said that what you are saying is not only crazy talk, but also sacrilege. He suggested that you should not only get yourself a bigger bookcase so that you can continue to buy his price guides going forward, but that you should in fact get yourself a much much larger bookcase so that you can go back and buy up all of the variant copies also.

I’m complete from 3 up, and I’m thinking the same thing. My shelves will only accommodate a few more books. Gonna shut it down at 50. Or you could simply look at trying to buy a bigger bookcase to hold them all.

I've always thought that winter time and December in particular was the absolute worst time of the year to be trying to sell your books.

Yes, I still remember back in the day when Overstreet used to have both Exciting 9 and Startling 10 with the same valuations in his price guide. Definitely not the case anymore, although it would appear that the Exciting 9 should be a lot easier to find since it has almost twice as many copies in the census report as compared to the Startling 10.

Well, now that we've voiced our negative opinions on the exterior covers of this year's edition of the guide, maybe we should take a stab at the interior contents. I still remember back in the day before the internet and the ease of information with social media, the first thing I would look at was his annual market report which he used to write. Definitely not the case anymore as it was reduced down to only a few paragraphs over the years and then simply backfilled with excerpts from the various market reports from his advisors. Noticed last year that he even cut this further down by going straight to the excerpts right off the bat from the second sentence in his report. Although both of these books have cooled off a bit recently, I imagine both AF 15 and Hulk 181 should rightfully be the top percentage gainers for 2018 for the SA and BA respectively. Of course, since both of these books already have a relatively high absolute dollar value, you never really know with Overstreet. Looks like the 2018 guide's biggest percentage gainers were Action 242 and TTA 13 for the Silver Age and HOS 92 and Scooby Doo 1 for the Bronze Age. No idea which book(s) will or should come out on top from a GA percentage point of view. Looks like the past couple of years it has been the Wonder Woman trio of books, but I believe these have probably run their course by now. Maybe we'll go back to the pre-Robin 'Tec's like 'Tec 31 or early Action's like Action 13 which were the highest percentage gainers for quite a few years prior to the Wonder Woman trio. Or maybe we'll finally see some belated, but much deserved movement in some of the classic cover books, with the percursor being the All-American 61 with the classic Solomon Grundy cover which took a jump of 26% to move into Overstreet's Top 100 List last year. I guess we'll find out in less than a week from now.

Would love to see another one hit the marketplace just to see how it would do in this much more highly charged demand for classic covers nowadays. This book used to sell for huge multiples to guide about 15 to 20 years ago, but demand seem to have fallen off over the years. Of course, this could also be impacted by the apparent lack of supply as the Heritage archives indicates only one single sale of this book in the last 15 years. ComicConnect also had the Jon Berk copy at auction a couple of years ago, but this was for a copy with Brittle pages.

at $20 (BP) wrap it up ! No, wrap it up now since I've got the winning bid in now at the ball busting amount of $230 and can't afford to go up another single on this book. Especially since I now am leading in all of the other GA keys with a high bid of $1.00 or an outrageous 10 times original cover price. What is this world coming to as I am now going to have to speak to my banker about getting a loan for all of these books.

Although they do not necessarily have the stamp on them, don't most of them have the tell tale signature "G" code on them somewhere?

Some of these average "declines" have recent sales that exceed the 90 day average by quite a bit. -J. So, if both of these statements are in fact correct, then I guess this means the non-uber HG Hulk 181 market took a huge dive sometime between 3 to 9 months ago and is now solidly trending back up, but not yet to levels where they were a year ago. Definitely food for thought if your thinking mind is hungry and getting bored. Bouncy, bouncy........

Looks like I ran across the old thread that I was talking about and it is the following website: https://www.dreckcheck.com/ I haven't actually registered onto the site yet as it seems to be asking for a lot of info and I am certainly not the most tech savvy person, so maybe you can give it a shot and provide your feedback to the rest of us here as to how good the auction info is.

Lou just means that a few pages back was an extensive discussion about how the 9.6 became a 9.8. He’s a good guy and means you no harm. The timing is just sort of comical, is all Actually, a much more extensive discussion of the Allentown Cap 1 took place very recently in this thread here on Page 2 going forward: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/451962-captain-america-1-cgc-94/page/2/#comments I believe that bluechip also explained it correctly and concisely in his post up above. Bottom-line: Grading is very subjective and nothing more than a grader's opinion at a particular point in time. As a result, what might be viewed as a 9.6 copy one day could just as easily be viewed by the same grader as a 9.8 copy on another day whether or not any enhancement work had been done to the book in the interim.

Searching HA archives, I didn't hit any SF Nedors but since there were different imprints I tried Better and hit one - Startling 6. Nothing for SF Standard but this a was just a real quick search. I imagine you must be referring to this copy here that was in the HA archives: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/startling-comics-6-better-publications-1941-a-terrific-copy-of-a-title-that-is-growing-in-popularity-these-early-st/a/802-6464.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ArchiveSearchResults-012417&lotPosition=0|1 From the label, you can see that CGC has not recognized this copy to be the SF copy. It actually seems rather strange that Heritage would state in their auction description that "we strongly suspect that this book comes from the San Francisco collection, but its provenance would be hard to prove." I strongly doubt that this would be the SF copy for the sole reason that nobody has yet found any confirmed Nedor books from the SF collection to this current point in time.

I imagine the only thing tougher than putting the MH Nedor run back together is to locate the SF Nedor run, if it even exists.