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Why not as it sure did better numbers in China than it did in North America in terms of its opening weekend? Even Marvel seems to be recognizing the growing influence of the China marketplace going forward. To the point that they are even starting to work on developing a Shang-Chi movie as a critical part of their Phase 4 expansion of their MCU movie universe.

I've always found it interesting that some of these remainder or rebound books such as this Tales of Terror Annual from the early 50's and the Timely Cap and Marvel Mystery 132-pagers from the mid 40's tend to go for a huge whack of money when they show up in the marketplace due to their apparent extreme rarity. And yet when copies of the 132-page crime comics from the early 50's or the massive 196-pagers from the William Wise Company from the mid 40's show up in the marketplace, they tend to go for a fraction of these prices even though there are far fewer copies of these books out there according to the CGC census. I guess this shows the impact of demand vis-a-vis supply in the comic book economic valuation equation.

And I am sure that Stan would also remind us from that comic shop in the sky where he is, that a regular sized comic book would simply never do here. Similar to Bruce Banner if you got him upset and angry, if you got Stan all turned on, his Man-Thing would grow to such Hulk size proportions that not even a magazine would suffice as only an oversized Treasury book would be adequate for this picture to pass the censors.

Yes, I believe he totally blew us all away and pulled us right in with those first few scans of those very early pre-Green lantern All-American books. Books that many of us here would normally not be interested in, but were 100% in when we saw the immaculate and almost newsstand fresh condition copies which he was posting for our virgin eyes to take in. And needless to say, it only got better from there as pages and pages of more books appeared in front of our eyeballs which had probably fallen out of its sockets and onto our keyboard by then. I most definitely still remember that exhilarating and uplifting feeling.

a complete collection, including impossible ratites, interesting choice over Ha.com to auction his complete collection plus some dupes Not sure why you would say this since Fishler has been in the game decades longer than Heritage has? Especially since his connections in the marketplace runs long and deep and he apparently has a mind like a steel trap in terms of knowing where the books are and who's interested in what. Just take a look at the Action 1's and some of the other big books like the pre-Robin 'Tec's where it's probably more than just placing a book on his auction site, but possibly also alerting and guiding certain potential buyers to significant books that are coming up. Possibly not the market maker he once was in the old days prior to the rise of the auction houses, but definitely still wields a lot of influence in the marketplace. In addition, some of the older collectors like Jon Berk who also auctioned off his collection through CC probably has stronger ties to the old boys like Fishler, as opposed to these newer players like Ivy and Halperin who made their money elsewhere and decided to move their same game into the comic book marketplace. By the time it's all said and done (i.e. after all fees and any other charges), there probably wouldn't be that much difference in terms of the bottom-line, so why not give the books back to the one that probably helped you to build the bulk of your collection in the first place.

Doesn't seem that particularly high to me. As a matter of fact, Timely's low end of the range appears to be the lowest one that I've ever seen at only 14,000 books. The number that I've always heard is a range from 18,000 up to 22,000 books, with the most common numbers tossed around being either 18,000 or 20,000 books or thereabouts. If it's only 18,000 books, then Chuck might have to go back and ask the old lady for a $200 rebate since the story I heard is that she charged Chuck $2,000 for the lot on the assumption that there were 20,000 books at 10 cents a pop for a grand total of $2,000. She probably thought Chuck was some young and foolish whippersnapper who she could hosed by charging full cover price for some used and second hand comic books. Especially since he would then have to also remove at his own expense from the property that she was apparently hoping to sell once the house was cleared of all of the "worthless garbage" inside. As for my count of Church books, I believe I have only a couple with any significant value and probably around a dozen or so in total if you include all of the relatively minor books which i can't even remember now.

Depends if you want them to sell or if you simply want them to show for display purposes.

He has a certain panache . . . Definitely a classic ad of ALL time that every comic book collector remembers. It definitely would not have been the same without that unforgettable once in a lifetime picture that sadly nobody can ever un-see and get out of their mind after seeing it.

No real surprise here as the marketplace is seasonal and winter time auctions are notoriously known for producing lower results. In addition, I would think the absolutely pathetic performance of the stock market over the past couple of months has everybody feeling a lot poorer than they were feeling earlier in the year. Buyers tend to have a lot more confidence in buying and bidding more aggressively when their asset portfolios are up by say 20% for the year, as opposed to being down by 30% or more over the past couple of months.

I am quite sure the original boardie is referring to the Spectacular Spider-Man MAGAZINE that came out in the late 60's which was only a 2-issue run. He is not referring to the Peter Parker Spectacular Spider-Man COMIC BOOK which came out in the latter part of the 70's which had a 20+ years run.

Well, it definitely looks like Santa's figured out that somebody's been nice, and not naughty this year. Congrats on all of your beautiful late Fox pickups here.

Gave it some more thought and I remember that the thread was started by Peter and the topic was on a 'Tec 38 that had been graded a few different times by CGC and the other company who we seemingly cannot name on these boards here or the entire thread might just be purged. I guess we have to understand that these boards belong to the host company and as a matter of courtesy to them, they do not want us to post anything that would put the other company in an overly positive light and/or shine a negative spotlight on themselves. Unfortunately, I would have to assume whatever was posted in the first couple of pages of the thread (which I actually can't remember the exact details) was enough for the Mods to kill the entire thread even though the last few pages were all about the CC auction and as you said, was rather interesting and informative. They really should have just killed the first couple of pages and left the last few, but I guess they really didn't want to leave any questionable traces behind at all.

Wonder what was discussed that was so inappropriate in the Detective 38 thread that the Mods decided to purge the entire thread, even though the last few pages was all about the recent ComicConnect Auction and some of the books in the auction?

I would love to buy a big stack of books in 6.0 that looked like that Yes indeed, wonder what were the major defects (besides the dried glue) that CGC didn't like which brought the book all the way down to only a Fine 6.0 grade. Especially in light of the fact that Chuck had it listed as a NM+ copy in his original MH Catalogue. Of course we know that Chuck tends to over grade at times, but to this extent?

Tim; As I had stated in my post above, it's really to each their own, as I can definitely also understand the mindset of the CGC generation of collectors. As you had stated, I am definitely guilty of the old school mindset whereby I place a significant relevance on the visual appearance of the book vis-a-vis the grade on the label, as opposed to just focusing on that big number on the top left of the label above anything else. As such, I would not be willing to pay triple the price for any book that is only one incremental grade higher, especially if it is exactly the same book and even more so, if the difference in price is in the neighbourhood of 6 figures. All I can say for those buyers who are willing to pay this kind of increased multiple for only a one incremental grade higher in this day and age of rampant and undisclosed optimization of potential along with undisclosed changes in grading standards over time, then more power to them.

Ask and ye shall receive: Looks like the above CGC 2.5 graded copy sold for $1,815 and I believe it didn't move at all during the extended bidding time period, while the CGC 4.0 graded copy below sold for $3,048: From the scans, it would appear that the back cover for this 4.0 graded copy is far superior to the more worn out appearance of the front cover here.

Counselor; We rest our case. Well, it's obvious to me that clark here would make for a much better lawyer as he is so much more concise and succinct in presenting his case than me.

I would certainly understand this point of view if you was referring to more recent key SA books where they are available in high condition. With respect to the GA books, I thought the thinking with most collectors was that availability of a high grade copy, especially the highest graded copy, is a big factor in determining the final price as opposed to the actual grade itself. Especially in the case of a CGC 9.2 highest graded copy at the time versus a CGC 9.4 now highest graded copy a few years later. With undisclosed grading standard changes over time and the constant CPR game now being played by many speculators, its certainly not unreasonable to have a CGC 9.2 graded book on a Monday become a CGC 9.4 graded book on a Wednesday. This can be done with or without any additional additional optimization work being done to the book, as grading is still an art (as opposed to an exact science) and totally subjective based upon various factors at the time. Yet the difference between $35,000 and say $130,000 is a very clear and distinct difference to me which cannot be disputed. Now, if you was talking about say a then highest graded copy of CGC 5.0 versus a now highest graded copy of CGC 9.4, then I could buy your argument as it being an apples to oranges comparison. Definitely not so much the case for a comparison between only a minor difference of a CGC 9.2 graded copy against a CGC 9.4 graded copy. I guess I am just not one of those deep pocketed collectors who have so much confidence in CGC's grading that I would be willing to fork over a significant extra $100,000 dollars for something so seemingly insignificant as only a subjective 0.2 difference in the condition grade of a book. But again, to each their own.

I don't know why you are taking a shot at Bob Overstreet. There were no recorded sales to evidence the demand. The Berk sale happened last year but Overstreet uses a three-year moving average on his prices so it will only partly affect what appears in the latest Guide. As more sales occur this year that will be factored into the next Guide. An annually printed guide book isn't designed to tell you the highest possible current price. It's a Guide... Definitely agree with you that the guide should not be focusing on the highest possible current price, as that is definitely not healthy for the marketplace longer term. Slow and conservative is definitely much better than being fast and overly aggressive. I was actually referring more to the A-Man 26 (and not so much the A-Man 22) in my comments as there has been more recorded sales of that book over the past several years. Didn't know that Overstreet was using a 3-year moving average, but if so, I can certainly see why it would take time to catch up especially since prices for certain HTF and classic cover GA books have really shot up in the past couple of years.

That is truly hilarious!! Wow, looks like somebody must be a follower of the Centaur books and their so0called "forgotten" heroes.

I can't find any previous sale of a 9.4 copy on Heritage. Do you have a link? The previous one on Heritage that I was referring to was a CGC 9.2 graded copy that sold for $35,850 back in May of 2015: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superman-14-dc-1942-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7136-91205.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 At the time of that sale, it was one of two highest graded copies in existence since this CGC 9.4 graded copy in the current CC Auction was graded only a year ago back in December of 2017. That's still a pretty significant increase in price (if Peter's prediction comes true) for the highest graded copy in existence at the time.

I have no idea. I didn't dream mine would go that high for a character first appearance with no powers, only appearing in 5 panels! Some people believe the movie will be huge. Well, I guess the CGC 9.4 graded copy that sold earlier this evening on CC's Winter Event Auction should give you some idea: Sold for $11,777 or less than half of the CGC 9.6 graded copy that sold for $31,111 although I strongly believe this CL sale is going to be seen as one of those outliers going forward. On the other hand, the CL 9.6 graded copy clearly and obviously has much better centering as compared to this CC 9.4 graded copy where the top edge is cut off rather badly and then you have all that white space on the bottom. Any bets this copy would have gone for a bit more if if didn't have this clearly visual eyesore of a defect.

Not too much of a visual difference (as it should be) between your CGC 5.0 copy here as compared to Berk's former CGC 5.5 graded copy. The edges from what I can see appears to be a lot sharper on your copy as compared to Berk's copy, especially with respect to the top edge of the book.

Who cares about a nobody like Rocker Racer. I personally think Marvel should obtain the rights to that great SA classic, Fatman The Human Flying Saucer, as that should be a megalodon box office winner for sure. The only other one that would be able to give Fatman a run for his money would be that other classic SA character, namely, Herbie The Fat Fury.

You mean this little copy here that is already at $104K with still almost 2 more days to go: As Peter had posted in the other thread, he believes this might even get as high as the $130K to $140K price range which would put it about $100K more than the highest recorded sale in the Heritage archives to date for a copy of Supes 14. As I stated in the other thread, the assumption that Heritage tends to always get the highest prices for books may not necessarily be true. Especially from the consignor's point of view once you factor in the higher auction fees that is retained by Heritage.