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What makes you think these 2 copies would both be the same copies?

This is the timing part that I don't quite understand. If he picked this book uponly last September at such a hefty price which usually indicates the intention for a longer term hold, why would the consignor all of a sudden do a 360 a few months later and decide to dump all of his Fox books? Definitely good for us Fox collectors though, as some of these issues haven't surfaced in decades and now we are going to see them in 2 straight auctions.

Looks like this copy of U.S. Jones in the CC Auction is the exact same copy that sold on eBay back in September: http://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=717104 Wonder if the consignor is going to be able to come out ahead on it since it looks like he paid $4,716 or a multiple of over 18X+ condition guide price for this book.

I was making an attempt at being humorous but you didn't quote my whole statement. Please keep the comments above the belt good sir it would be much appreciate ? Yes, I was completely aware of that and that was why I was saying something back in jest to you with the at the end. Sorry, if you misunderstood and thought I was serious when I obviously made a poor attempt at humor.

Sounds as though you are saying this like you are trying to convince yourself, but not doing a very good job at it, as it appears to be a losing battle for you at this point. Maybe you should try writing this out 100 times everyday on the blackboard to convince yourself.

If that is the case, then can you please explain the price differential between these 2 equivalent graded copies of Hulk #1: http://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?referral=EAlist&id=682667&title=INCREDIBLEHULK http://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?referral=EAlist&id=690868&title=INCREDIBLEHULK Looks like the one graded by the other company sold for $9K+ more than the one sold by CGC, albeit there was a difference of only 3 months between the 2 auctions.

You have to understand this has happened with other key items in the comic book world and other hobbies and then the price was acknowledged as the new value point till it starts going up again. That is how new values are created sometimes slowly some times fast. If this was any other book in the SA I would be wary....maybe Hulk 1 but that is it. Looks like Brian was right in the end as the auction for the AF 15 tonight didn't come anywhere close to AF 15 results in the CC Auction on a price per point basis. Of course, this could also be the normal process of backfilling and consolidation that normally takes place when a new pricing level is being set. Does anybody know what the going price per point for an AF 15 was before the CC Auction took place last week?

Should this not be the third issue to contain Gustavson's Arrow, or did he not do one of the earlier stories?

Roy; I believe your analysis here is bang on when it comes to how prices rise over time in the vintage collectibles comic book market. I believe this CC Auction will show the pent up demand for the early Supes Action covers as they take a big jump upwards to do some catching up to the pre-Robin 'Tec's which have been on fire during the past couple of years. Sorry for the GA segue in this AF 15 thread, but the analogy in terms of price movements are the same in both cases.

Most definitely +1 In total agreement with both of you here. I believe there is quite a bit of pent up demand for some of these really early Supes Action covers as it's now been a couple of years since we saw a few of them come into the marketplace. At that time, they took quite a significant jump in order to catch up with the pre-Robin 'Tec's, and I believe there will be another jump in prices as the pre-Robin's have gone up quite a bit in the interim. Especially when there's not much showing up in term of the pre-Robin 'Tec's in this auction here, so most of early DC action will be with the early Action books on this go round. Action 13 seems to still have a lot of gas left in its tank as I still remember a raw Poor copy without a back cover selling for close to $15K in one of the Sunday Heritage Auctions last summer. And one of the few books that seems to have no problems continuing to sell for a premium to guide even in restored (slight) condition which is a true rarity in this hyper anti-PLOD marketplace.

Is the well starting to dry up in terms of the supply of pre-Robin 'Tec's, as this is going to be the second straight CC Event Auction with a rather limited number of these books in half decent shape? Especially since they didn't seem to have much problem reloading their pre-Robin gun during the past couple of years.

There's definitely going to be a lot of Action in this particular CC Event Auction here. Yes, pretty hard to beat unrestored decent HTF copies of Action 2, Action 3, Action 7, Action 13, and even an unrestored copy of Action 10, all in the same one auction here.

Pretty hard to sum up ANY appropriate words for these beauties!! Someone please come pick up my jaw!! I absolutely love the use of the various colors on these Fox books, and especially how strong and vibrant these colors are on Steve's pedigree copies here.

There are 3 high grade Fox runs: Wonderworld, Mystery Men and Fantastic. There will be a mix of grades in the other titles so there may be a book with your name on it. For some reason, I think the current consignor of these Fox books will not exactly be jumping for joy to hear this news. Although I personally do believe there's been a long drought between some of these Fox books, so I certainly do expect the demand and bids to be there for both auctions.

I think these 2 words are most likely key to the entire discussion to do with Marvel chipping, but unfortunately it also allows CGC the opportunity to wobble all over the place since the measurement units are not fixed and probably shifting around a lot more than they really should.

This one should definitely be interesting to watch, as it's not only the highest graded copy to date, but also a White Page Church copy to boot. Only real drawback is that it's part of the More Fun run which is another one of the 2nd tier DC runs that is not exactly setting the marketplace on fire, except for the movie related hyped More Fun 73. But since More Fun 56 is considered to be a classic Dr. Fate cover and a key book, I guess we'll find out if this apparent momentum shift back towards some of the long time traditional keys will continue to take hold, as MF 56 definitely qualifies as one of these traditional DC keys. Yes indeed, let's hope this copy can reverse the downward trend in prices that this book seems to have suffered from 2002 through to its last reported through Heritage in 2012.

+1 We are most definitely looking at 2 completely different markets here, with the current run of Fox books generally running in the 2.0 to 5.0 grade range, while the bulk of Jon's Fox books would be in the 9.0 and up grade range. My thinking was really nothing more than the concept that a rising tide generally tends to lift all boats. In this sense, the momentum created by the sale of Jon's HG Fox books might possibly have translated into higher auction prices going forward, even for the relatively lower grade Fox books if they had been placed into one of the subsequent auctions.

Eye appeal is also factored into the grade, again just not to the same degree that we might want it to be. Any truth to the rumor that the new grading teams at CGC are now taking a harder stance when it comes to dust shadows / sun shadows, relative to how they were treated before? And this is in terms of the GA books, as opposed to the other newer comic book ages where books with sun or dust shadows were more likely to be looked upon with disfavor already.

Wow. There's just about something for everyone. The well might run dry before JB's stuff even gets listed. (Well, my well may well be dry, anyhow.) Yes, looks like a bit of stuff from almost every single one of the major Fox titles. Definitely a lot more Fox in this one auction than we are normally used to seeing, although the vast majority of them are in the relatively lower to mid grade condition range. So, definitely not something that's going to be competing directly against Jon's pedigree Fox books, which are scheduled for the next auction. Not quite sure if this was the best move on the consignor's part since he could have pulled his lots and wait for Jon's collection of Fox books to go through and hopefully add further momentum to the Fox market. The other choice and the one which he took was to be the first fox into the hen house and to grab as many of the chickens as he could before the rest of the foxes descended onto the hen house. Based upon the timing, all of the books were probably already sitting at CC when Jon's big announcement came and the consignor was then caught between a rock and a hard place.

With the massive Jon Berk Collection scheduled to go in their Regular May / June Event Auction time slot, it looks like CC has decided to sneak in an extra major Event Auction in April / May for their non-Berk consignments. Looks like CC is going to be the first one out of the gate this time as their auction appears to be scheduled to end on May 5th, followed by Heritage's big auction scheduled for May 18/19, which will then be followed by CL's big Spring Featured Auction with lots scheduled to be open for bidding starting on May 17th. This will then be followed by CC completing their end run with the big Jon Berk Auction scheduled to close on the week of June 12th - 16th. Not a bad play by CC as they get to squeeze in an extra big auction this way, and at the front end to boot. Much better strategy than running the Jon Berk Auction concurrently at the same time as their regular Event Auction. This was what happened with the Marc Lasry Collection last December, and shall we say, did not produce the best results for either Lasry or their other regular consignors. Evidently the lesson was learned.

Agreed this is becoming absurd CGC does take into account marvel chipping (based on my grader's notes for my book). Well, from the way that I am reading it, looks like Jaydog is saying that CGC does not factor Marvel chipping into their grading criteria, while you are saying they do.

That's because it's all supposed to be about the dollars and cents, not sense.

So it could be that they do downgrade for chipping, but specific blue chip books get a pass. That's an even more disturbing business decision than ignoring it completely. I've got a copy of ToS 52 that has several chips missing that got a 6.5, otherwise looks 7.5-8.0 to me. The problem is that this is where the whole thing can turn into a big jumbo ball of confused mess. So, are collector supposed to be guessing if CGC has taken the impact of Marvel chipping into account when they have graded a book, as it certainly seems hard to tell from the 2 examples pictured above. The boardie says that the superior presenting JIM 90 has been severely downgraded to reflect the impact of both Marvel chipping and pre-chipping and that is how they came up with the 7.0 final grade. On the other hand, clear and obvious Marvel chipping was not taken into account and that is how the inferior presenting TOS 52 was able to achieve a 6.5 final grade. So, at what point do the 2 lines cross over where CGC takes Marvel chipping and pre-chipping into account when grading a book, as opposed to when they ignore it on a particular book. Or could the difference be an undisclosed change in their undisclosed grading standards as the JIM was graded way back in 2004 while the TOS was graded much more recently just a few months ago. Or could it simply be nothing more than a tight SA grading time period for the JIM versus a looser SA grading time period for the TOS. Who really knows at this point in time? Maybe CGC can clearly state right on their label whether Marvel chipping was taken into account or not in the determination of the final grade for books which exhibit any type of chipping or pre-chipping. This way, both buyers and sellers can be more fully informed as to exactly what the label grade is actually reflecting, as opposed to having to make a guess.

Although you do have to admit that some of his outlandish excuses and stories were just so absolutely ridiculous that you couldn't help but to laugh at them. Definitely frustrating and infuriating, but also a bit of a riot listening to him when he has the upper hand over you. But poor old Danny boy can really turn into a big cry baby once you get the upper hand over him and start to turn the screws on him. Boy, was that ever a lot of fun at the end!!!

+1 With the prices being asked for the omnibus reprints, I would also much rather go for nice copies of the originals.