JesterSB

5 hours ago, Bronty said:

Final price on that brand new Liliana was 23k.    

A far larger, better drawn/painted, and higher power level card for less than a third of the price. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

Final hammer price on Shaharazad $72K. 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/kaja-foglio-magic-the-gathering-arabian-nights-shahrazad-card-painting-original-art-and-card-wizards-of-the-c-total-2-items-/a/121829-14061.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

On 7/18/2018 at 12:20 PM, Bronty said:

You know it

other notables include a five minute old Terese Nielsen painting on eBay at 15k with three days to go and a Volkan Baga of similar recent vintage that just went for 25.    Crazy what the brand new stuff can go for 

Meanwhile I bought another Baga from the same set for $1550 the same week (and I like the art more!)

$40K seems reasonable to me, $80K seems unlikely, but also wouldn't really surprise me.

Final hammer price on Arcades Sabboth was $30K (exactly the reserve).

2 minutes ago, buyatari said:

Those two covers both convey the feel of the game. You know you are getting a fantasy RPG. 

 If it is now a desirable card that would explain things a bit. I bought and sold the cards back in the day but didn't play much. I had a booster box and a complete set of Arabian Night at one point.

 The Arabian Nights set I sold for $800-$1200 tops. It was so long ago that I don't remember but I thought that Kird Ape was a cheap common card. 

Juzam Djinn is now worth $1200 by itself.

6 minutes ago, buyatari said:

I loved the Arabian Nights set. One day I'd like to pick up a painting from that set but not if the commons are selling for 50k !

That is probably a top 10 card from the set. Picking up something like Ghazban Ogre or Fishliver Oil would probably only run you $3-10K (hard to say since I've never seen ANY Arabian Nights card art sell).

2 minutes ago, buyatari said:

 

 

Thanks for posting this. These are the cards that I remember. I stopping playing around this time.

How often do these early cards change hands these days?

Not very often, at least publicly. Maybe 1-2 a year for the really valuable ones.

5 minutes ago, buyatari said:

This one?

50k?

I understand a love of the art that makes up the game that you love but this is just an image of a gorilla.

It doesn't have a magic / fantasy bone in its entire body. 

 

Yep, there are lots of reasons for this, but the main one is the card was very powerful for its day. Power of the card trumps all else when talking about the price of magic art. Being from the first expansion for the game also holds some relevance.

2 minutes ago, Bronty said:

It highlights how non-linear the growth has been.   I almost bought Kird Ape for 2k in or around 2010.   It was 530 in 1993 - modest growth for 17 years.    Now what would it be?   20k?   All of the growth has been in the last say 8 years

Yes, it's been a crazy 5 or so years of price explosion. I asked the owner of Kird Ape what he wanted for it 2 years ago and he said $50K. He's probably not too far off.

4 minutes ago, Bronty said:

Boy that matting and framing job is not helping the art any.   Yuck

It's the frame/mat the artist put on it...it's awful.

26 minutes ago, buyatari said:

Did Magic art really sell for $500 back in 1993?

That honestly seems like a lot of money for this art in 1993. 

This was after all the really good stuff had already been snapped up for similar prices.

Original Artwork Availability List
and Artist Contact Sheet

January 1995 Edition

Due to numerous requests for information on how to purchase original artwork
used in Magic: The Gathering* game, Wizards of the Coast, Inc. has compiled
the following list.  Wizards of the Coast is providing this information as a
service to both its customers and the artists it employs.  This list is merely
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interested in buying.  The next column over will contain the name of the
artist who did the piece.  The last column will list its availability  or the
latest price quote.  If you donUt see a particular artwork listed, it means
that it is not available or has already been sold.

Some pieces are indicated as R@WGS by their price listing.  This means that
the artwork is available through WIZARDS Gallery, which is independently
operated by Marcus R. Rieck and is not affiliated with Wizards of the Coast. 
Information on how to contact him is provided at the end of the Artist
Contacts section of this list.

Also included are sections listing prints and original sketches from the
respective artists from their Deckmaster artwork.

For information on contacting an artist, check the Artist Contacts section at
the end of this list.  If  an address and/or phone number is given, you may
contact the artist directly.  Otherwise, Wizards of the Coast has agreed to
forward to the artists inquiries regarding offers to purchase listed art.  To
make an offer, send a letter addressed to the artist care of Wizards of the
Coast, P.O. Box 707, Renton, WA 98057-0707.

All original artwork has an image size of 7" x 5-5/8".

Original/Revised

Aladdin's Lamp                Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Aladdin's Ring                Dan Frazier                   $280 @WG
Animate Dead                  Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Basalt Monolith               Jesper Myrfors                $280 @WG
Bottle of Suleiman            Jesper Myrfors                $380 @WG
Braingeyser                   Mark Tedin                    @WG
Burrowing                     Mark Poole                    $530 @WG
Circle of Protection: Red     Mark Tedin                    $455 @WG
Creature Bond                 Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Dancing Scimitar              Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Death Ward                    Mark Poole                    $530 @WG
Deathgrip                     Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Desert Twister                Susan Van Camp                Available
Dingus Egg                    Dan Frazier                   $230 @WG
Dragon Engine                 Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Drudge Skeletons              Sandra Everingham             $600
Earthquake                    Dan Frazier                   $280 @WG
Evil Presence                 Sandra Everingham             $400
Eye for an Eye                Mark Poole                    $530 @WG
False Orders                  Anson Maddocks                $800
Flying Carpet                 Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Forest (B)                    Christopher Rush              $230 @WG
Giant Growth                  Sandra Everingham             $400
Giant Spider                  Sandra Everingham             $500
Green Ward                    Dan Frazier                   $230 @WG
Guardian Angel                Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Helm of Chatzuk               Mark Tedin                    $455 @WG
Hypnotic Specter              Doug Shuler                   Unknown
Ironroot Treefolk             Jesper Myrfors                $380 @WG
Ivory Cup                     Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Jayemdae Tome                 Mark Tedin                    $455 @WG
Karma                         Richard Thomas                $405 @WG
Lance                         Rob Alexander                 $500 @WG
Lifetap                       Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Living Lands                  Jesper Myrfors                $380 @WG
Living Wall                   Anson Maddocks                $2,000
Llanowar Elves                Anson Maddocks                $900
Magnetic Mountain             Susan Van Camp                $90 (corner cracked)
Mana Vault                    Mark Tedin                    $455 @WG
Mijae Djinn                   Susan Van Camp                $195
Mons's Goblin Raiders         Jeff A. Menges                $450 @WG
Nevinyrral's Disk             Mark Tedin                    $420 @WG
Onulet                        Anson Maddocks                $900
Orcish Artillery              Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Ornithopter                   Amy Weber                     Available
Plains (A)                    Jesper Myrfors                $280 @WG
Plains (B)                    Jesper Myrfors                $280 @WG
Plains (C)                    Jesper Myrfors                $280 @WG
Power Sink                    Richard Thomas                $380 @WG
Reconstruction                Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Red Elemental Blast           Richard Thomas                $380 @WG
Red Ward                      Dan Frazier                   $230 @WG
Reverse Polarity              Justin Hampton                $230 @WG
Sacrifice                     Dan Frazier                   $260 @WG
Samite Healer                 Tom Wanerstrand               $700
Savannah                      Rob Alexander                 $500 @WG
Scathe Zombies                Jesper Myrfors                $280 @WG
Scavenging Ghoul              Jeff A. Menges                $450 @WG
Scrubland                     Jesper Myrfors                $280 @WG
Sengir Vampire                Anson Maddocks                $1,200
Sinkhole                      Sandra Everingham             $700
Siren's Call                  Anson Maddocks                $800
Smoke                         Jesper Myrfors                $280 @WG
Stone Rain                    Daniel Gelon                  $365 @WG
Terror                        Ron Spencer                   $850
Throne of Bone                Anson Maddocks                $1,500
Time Vault                    Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Tropical Island               Jesper Myrfors                $280 @WG
Tsunami                       Richard Thomas                $380 @WG
Tunnel                        Dan Frazier                   $300 @WG
Two-Headed Giant of Foriys    Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Volcanic Island               Brian Snoddy                  $380 @WG
Wall of Bone                  Anson Maddocks                $1,200
Wall of Brambles              Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Wall of Ice                   Richard Thomas                $380 @WG
Wall of Swords                Mark Tedin                    $420 @WG
Wanderlust                    Cornelius Brudi               $330 @WG 
Water Elemental               Jeff A. Menges                $400
Web                           Rob Alexander                 $675 @WG
White Ward                    Dan Frazier                   $230 @WG

Arabian Nights

Abu Ja'far                    Ken Meyer, Jr..               $530 @WG
Aladdin's Lamp                Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Aladdin's Ring                Dan Frazier                   $280 @WG
Bottle of Suleiman            Jesper Myrfors                $380 @WG
Camel                         Sandra Everingham             $400
City of Brass                 Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Cyclone                       Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Dancing Scimitar              Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Desert                        Jesper Myrfors                $280 @WG
Desert Twister                Susan Van Camp                $495
Drop of Honey                 Anson Maddocks                $500
Elephant Graveyard            Rob Alexander                 $530 @WG
Erhnam Djinn                  Ken Meyer, Jr.                $530 @WG
Eye for an Eye                Mark Poole                    $530 @WG
Fishliver Oil                 Anson Maddocks                $1,200
Flying Carpet                 Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Flying Men                    Christopher Rush              $430 @WG
Giant Tortoise                Kaja Foglio                   $200
Hasran Ogress                 Dan Frazier                   $280 @WG
JandorUs Ring                 Dan Frazier                   $280 @WG
Juzam Djinn                   Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Kird Ape                      Ken Meyer, Jr.                $530 @WG
Magnetic Mountain             Susan Van Camp                $90 (corner cracked)
Metamorphosis                 Christopher Rush              $430 @WG
Mijae Djinn                   Susan Van Camp                $195
Sandals of Abdallah           Dan Frazier                   $280 @WG
Serendib Djinn                Anson Maddocks                $1,200
Serendib Efreet               Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Shahrazad                     Kaja Foglio                   $600
Sindbad                       Julie Baroh                   $330 @WG
Singing Tree                  Rob Alexander                 $530 @WG
Stone-Throwing Devils         Ken Meyer, Jr.                $530 @WG

Antiquities

Argivian Archaeologist        Amy Weber                     Available
Argothian Pixies              Amy Weber                     Available
Artifact Blast                Mark Poole                    $530 @WG
Ashnod's Altar                Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Ashnod's Battle Gear          Mark Poole                    $580 @WG
Ashnod's Transmogrant         Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Atog                          Jesper Myrfors                $380 @WG
Bronze Tablet                 Tom Wanerstrand               $500
Clay Statue                   Jesper Myrfors                $380 @WG
Clockwork Avian               Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Coral Helm                    Amy Weber                     Available
Damping Field                 Justin Hampton                $280 @WG
Detonate                      Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Drafna's Restoration          Amy Weber                     Available
Dragon Engine                 Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Feldon's Cane                 Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Mishra's Factory (winter)     Kaja & Phil Foglio            $500
Onulet                        Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Ornithopter                   Amy Weber                     Available
Powerleech                    Christopher Rush              $530 @WG
Priest of Yawgmoth            Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Reconstruction                Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Reverse Polarity              Justin Hampton                $230 @WG
Staff of Zegon                Mark Poole                    $530 @WG
Strip Mine (A)                Daniel Gelon                  $380 @WG
Strip Mine (All 4)            Daniel Gelon                  $1260 @WG
Strip Mine (B)                Daniel Gelon                  $380 @WG
Strip Mine (C)                Daniel Gelon                  $380 @WG
Strip Mine (D)                Daniel Gelon                  $380 @WG
Tawnos's Coffin               Christopher Rush              $430 @WG
Tawnos's Weaponry             Dan Frazier                   Available
Tetravus                      Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Transmute Artifact            Anson Maddocks                $500
Urza's Mine (A)               Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Urza's Mine (B)               Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Urza's Mine (C)               Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Urza's Mine (D)               Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Urza's Power Plant            Mark Tedin                    Unknown
UrzaUs Miter                  Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Wall of Spears                Sandra Everingham             $400
Weakstone                     Juston Hampton                $230 @WG
Yotian Soldier                Christopher Rush              Unknown

Legends

Abomination                   Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Active Volcano                Justin Hampton                $225
Adun Oakenshield              Jeff A. Menges                $525
Aisling Leprechaun            Quinton Hoover                $730 @WG
Al-abar's Carpet              Kaja Foglio                   $600
Alabaster Potion              Harold Arthur McNeill         $1,000
Angelic Voices                Julie Baroh                   $350
Angus Mackenzie               Bryon Wackwitz                $800
Anti-Magic Aura               Doug Shuler                   Unknown
Arboria                       Daniel Gelon                  Available
Avoid Fate                    Phil Foglio                   $300
Axelrod Gunnarson             Scott Kirschner               $400
Ayesha Tanaka                 Bryon Wackwitz                $800
Azure Drake                   Dan Frazier                   Available
Barbary Apes                  Bryon Wackwitz                $400
Barktooth Warbeard            Andi Rusu                     Unknown
Bartel Runeaxe                Andi Rusu                     Unknown
Beasts of Bogardan            Daniel Gelon                  Available
Blazing Effigy                Susan Van Camp                Available
Blue Mana Battery             Amy Weber                     Available
Boomerang                     Brian Snoddy                  $530 @WG
Boris Devilboon               Jesper Myrfors                Unknown
The Brute                     Mark Poole                    $500
Carrion Ants                  Richard Thomas                $300
Caverns of Despair            Harold Arthur McNeill         $1,000
Chain Lightning               Sandra Everingham             $400
Chains of Mephistopheles      Heather Hudson                $450
Cleanse                       Phil Foglio                   $500
Clergy of the Holy Nimbus     Daniel Gelon                  Available
Cocoon                        Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Concordant Crossroads         Amy Weber                     Available
Cosmic Horror                 Jesper Myrfors                Unknown
Crevasse                      Rob Alexander                 $400
Crimson Manticore             Daniel Gelon                  Available
Cyclopean Mummy               Edward Beard Jr               $400
Darkness                      Harold Arthur McNeill         $1,000
Demonic Torment               Anson Maddocks                $1,200
Disharmony                    Bryon Wackwitz                $600
Divine Intervention           Amy Weber                     Available
Divine Offering               Jeff A. Menges                $425
Dream Coat                    Anthony Waters                @WG
Dwarven Song                  Dan Frazier                   Available
Elder Spawn                   Jesper Myrfors                Unknown
Equinox                       Susan Van Camp                Available
Eternal Warrior               Anson Maddocks                $1,200
Eureka                        Kaja Foglio                   $500
Evil Eye of Orms-By-Gore      Jesper Myrfors                Unknown
Feint                         Brian Snoddy                  $630 @WG
Field of Dreams               Kaja Foglio                   $700
Fire Sprites                  Julie Baroh                   $300
Flash Counter                 Harold Arthur McNeill         $1,000
Flash Flood                   Tom Wanerstrand               $300
Force Spike                   Bryon Wackwitz                $200
Fortified Area                Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Frost Giant                   Daniel Gelon                  Available
Gabriel Angelfire             Daniel Gelon                  Available
Gauntlets of Chaos            Dan Frazier                   Available
Ghosts of the Damned          Edward Beard Jr               $350
Giant Slug                    Anson Maddocks                $1,200
Giant Strength                Justin Hampton                $300
Glyph of Delusion             Susan Van Camp                Available
Glyph of Destruction          Susan Van Camp                Available
Glyph of Doom                 Susan Van Camp                Available
Glyph of Life                 Susan Van Camp                Available
Glyph of Reincarnation        Susan Van Camp                Available
Gosta Dirk                    Richard Thomas                $300
Gravity Sphere                Brian Snoddy                  $530 @WG
Great Defender                Mark Poole                    $400
Great Wall                    Sandra Everingham             $400
Hammerheim                    Bryon Wackwitz                $400
Hell's Caretaker              Sandra Everingham             $400
Holy Day                      Justin Hampton                $300
Horror of Horrors             Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Hunding Gjornersen            Richard Thomas                $300
Immolation                    Scott Kirschner               $250
In the Eye of Chaos           Brian Snoddy                  $730 @WG
Indestructible Aura           Mark Poole                    $600
Infernal Medusa               Anson Maddocks                $1,200
Invoke Prejudice              Harold Arthur McNeill         $1,000
Jacques le Vert               Andi Rusu                     Unknown
Jerrard of the Closed Fist    Andi Rusu                     Unknown
Johan                         Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Juxtapose                     Justin Hampton                $300
Keepers of the Faith          Daniel Gelon                  Available
Kei Takahashi                 Scott Kirschner               $300
Killer Bees                   Phil Foglio                   $400
Kismet                        Kaja Foglio                   $600
Kobold Drill Sergeant         Julie Baroh                   $350
Kobold Taskmaster             Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Kobolds of Kher Keep          Julie Baroh                   $350
Kry Shield                    Richard Thomas                $300
Lady Evangela                 Mark Poole                    $600
Land Equilibrium              Jesper Myrfors                Unknown
Land Tax                      Brian Snoddy                  $430 @WG
Land's Edge                   Brian Snoddy                  $530 @WG
Life Chisel                   Anthony Waters                @WG
Lifeblood                     Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Living Plane                  Bryon Wackwitz                $500
Lord Magnus, Knight Templar   Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Lost Soul                     Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Mana Drain                    Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Mana Matrix                   Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Master of the Hunt            Jeff A. Menges                $600
Moat                          Jeff A. Menges                $500
Mold Demon                    Jesper Myrfors                @WG
Mountain Stronghold           Tom Wanerstrand               $500
Mountain Yeti                 Dan Frazier                   Available
Nether Void                   Harold Arthur McNeill         $1,000
Nova Pentacle                 Richard Thomas                $300
Osai Vultures                 Dan Frazier                   Available
Pavel Maliki                  Andi Rusu                     Unknown
Pendelhaven                   Bryon Wackwitz                $400
Pit Scorpion                  Scott Kirschner               $250
Primordial Ooze               Sandra Everingham             $600
Psionic Entity                Justin Hampton                $300
Psychic Purge                 Susan Van Camp                Available
Pyrotechnics                  Anson Maddocks                $500
Quagmire                      Dan Frazier                   Available
Rabid Wombat                  Kaja Foglio                   $500
Raging Bull                   Randy Asplund-Faith           $500
Ramirez DePietro              Phil Foglio                   $600
Rapid Fire                    Justin Hampton                $300
Rasputin Dreamweaver          Andi Rusu                     Unknown
Rebirth                       Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Red Mana Battery              Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Reincarnation                 Edward Beard Jr               $425
Relic Barrier                 Harold Arthur McNeill         $1,000
Remove Enchantment            Brian Snoddy                  $430 @WG
Reset                         Nicola Leonard                $430 @WG
Revelation                    Kaja Foglio                   $700
Reverberation                 Justin Hampton                $300
Sea KingUs Blessing           Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Sentinel                      Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Serpent Generator             Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Shimian Night Stalker         Jesper Myrfors                @WG
Sir Shandlar of Eberyn        Andi Rusu                     Unknown
Spirit Link                   Kaja Foglio                   $1,000
Stangg                        Mark Poole                    $600
Subdue                        Brian Snoddy                  $430 @WG
Sylvan Library                Harold Arthur McNeill         $1,000
Sylvan Paradise               Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Telekinesis                   Daniel Gelon                  Available
Tetsuo Umezawa                Julie Baroh                   $400
Thunder Spirit                Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Time Elemental                Amy Weber                     Available
Tobias Andrion                Andi Rusu                     Unknown
Tolaria                       Nicola Leonard                $430 @WG
Tor Wauki                     Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Torsten Von Ursus             Mark Poole                    $600
Touch of Darkness             Pete Venters                  $630 @WG
Transmutation                 Susan Van Camp                Available
Tundra Wolves                 Quinton Hoover                $630 @WG
Typhoon                       Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Underworld Dreams             Julie Baroh                   $300
Urborg                        Bryon Wackwitz                $400
Vaevictis Asmadi              Andi Rusu                     Unknown
Vampire Bats                  Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Wall of Dust                  Richard Thomas                $300
Wall of Earth                 Richard Thomas                $300
Wall of Heat                  Richard Thomas                $300
Wall of Light                 Richard Thomas                $300
Wall of Opposition            Harold Arthur McNeill         $1,000
Wall of Putrid Flesh          Richard Thomas                $300
Wall of Tombstones            Dan Frazier                   Available
Wall of Vapor                 Richard Thomas                $300
Wall of Wonder                Richard Thomas                $450
Whirling Dervish              Susan Van Camp                Available
White Mana Battery            Anthony Waters?               @WG
Winds of Change               Justin Hampton                $275
Wood Elemental                Brian Snoddy                  $530 @WG

The Dark

Amnesia                       Mark Poole                    $200
Apprentice Wizard             Dan Frazier                   Available
Ashes to Ashes                Drew Tucker                   @WG
Ball Lightning                Quinton Hoover                $530 @WG
Banshee                       Jesper Myrfors                Unknown
Blood of the Martyr           Christopher Rush              Unknown
Bog Imp                       Ron Spencer                   $650
Bog Rats                      Ron Spencer                   $400
Bone Flute                    Christopher Rush              Unknown
Brainwash                     Pete Venters                  Unknown
Brothers of Fire              Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Cave People                   Drew Tucker                   @WG
Cleansing                     Pete Venters                  Unknown
Coal Golem                    Christopher Rush              Unknown
Curse Artifact                Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Dance of Many                 Sandra Everingham             $500
Dark Heart of the Wood        Christopher Rush              Unknown
Dark Sphere                   Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Diabolic Machine              Anson Maddocks                $1,200
The Drowned                   Quinton Hoover                $730 @WG
Dust to Dust                  Drew Tucker                   Unknown
Eater of the Dead             Jesper Myrfors                Unknown
Electric Eel                  Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Elves of Deep Shadow          Jesper Myrfors                bidding @WG
Erosion                       Pete Venters                  Unknown
Eternal Flame                 Mark Poole                    $500
Exorcist                      Drew Tucker                   @WG
The Fallen                    Jesper Myrfors                @WG
Fellwar's Stone               Quinton Hoover                @WG
Festival                      Mark Poole                    $500
Fire and Brimstone            Jeff A. Menges                $600
Fire Drake                    Christopher Rush              Unknown
Flood                         Dennis Detwiller              $250
Fountain of Youth             Daniel Gelon                  Available
Frankenstein's Monster        Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Ghost Ship                    Tom Wanerstrand               $500
Goblin Caves                  Drew Tucker                   @WG
Goblin Digging Team           Ron Spencer                   $250
Goblin Hero                   Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Goblin Rock Sled              Dennis Detwiller              $500
Goblin Shrine                 Ron Spencer                   $500
Goblin Wizard                 Daniel Gelon                  Available
Goblins of the Flarg          Tom Wanerstrand               $500
Grave Robbers                 Quinton Hoover                $730 @WG
Inferno                       Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Inquisition                   Anson Maddocks                $900
Knights of Thorn              Christopher Rush              Unknown
Leviathan                     Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Living Armor                  Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Lurker                        Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Mana Clash                    Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Marsh Viper                   Ron Spencer                   $350
Martyr's Cry                  Jeff A. Menges                $475
Maze of Ith                   Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Merfolk Assassin              Dennis Detwiller              $800
Mind Bomb                     Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Miracle Worker                Ron Spencer                   $300
Murk Dwellers                 Drew Tucker                   @WG
Nameless Race                 Quinton Hoover                $730 @WG
Niall Silvain                 Christopher Rush              Unknown
Orc General                   Jesper Myrfors                @WG
Pikemen                       Dennis Detwiller              $500
Preacher                      Quinton Hoover                $630 @WG
Psychic Allergy               Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Riptide                       Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Runesword                     Christopher Rush              Unknown
Safe Haven                    Christopher Rush              Unknown
Savaen Elves                  Ron Spencer                   $300
Scarecrow                     Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Scarwood Bandits              Mark Poole                    $500
Scarwood Goblins              Ron Spencer                   $650
Scarwood Hag                  Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Scavenger Folk                Dennis Detwiller              $300
Season of the Witch           Jesper Myrfors                @WG
Sisters of the Flame          Jesper Myrfors                Unknown
Skull of Orm                  Tom Wanerstrand               $500
SorrowUs Path                 Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Spitting Slug                 Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Squire                        Dennis Detwiller              $500
Stone Calendar                Amy Weber                     Unknown
Sunken City                   Jesper Myrfors                @WG
Tangle Kelp                   Rob Alexander                 $500
Tivadar's Crusade             Dennis Detwiller              $700
Tormod's Crypt                Christopher Rush              Unknown
Tower of Coireall             Dan Frazier                   Available
Uncle Istvan                  Daniel Gelon                  Available
Venom                         Tom Wanerstrand               $500
Wand of Ith                   Quinton Hoover                $730 @WG
Water Wurm                    Ron Spencer                   $250
Witch Hunter                  Jesper Myrfors                @WG
Word of Binding               Ron Spencer                   $300
Worms of the Earth            Anson Maddocks                $1,000
Wormwood Treefolk             Jesper Myrfors                Unknown

Fallen Empires

Aeolipile                     Heather Hudson                $525
Armor Thrull                  Jeff A. Menges                $550
Armor Thrull                  Pete Venters                  Unknown
Armor Thrull                  Ron Spencer                   $350
Balm of Restoration           Margaret Organ-Keen           Unknown
Basal Thrull                  Christopher Rush              Unknown
Basal Thrull                  Kaja Foglio                   $400
Basal Thrull                  Phil Foglio                   $500
Basal Thrull                  Richard Kane-Ferguson         Unknown
Bottomless Vault              Pat Morrissey                 $500
Brassclaw Orcs                Dan Frazier                   Unknown
Brassclaw Orcs                Heather Hudson                $600
Brassclaw Orcs                Rob Alexander                 Unknown
Brassclaw Orcs                Rob Alexander                 Unknown
Breeding Pit                  Anson Maddocks                Unknown
Combat Medic                  Anson Maddocks                Unknown
Combat Medic                  Edward Beard, Jr.             Unknown
Combat Medic                  Liz Danforth                  Unknown
Combat Medic                  Susan Van Camp                Unknown
Conch Horn                    Phil Foglio                   $600
Deep Spawn                    Mark Tedin                    Unknown
DelifUs Cone                  Mark Tedin                    Unknown
DelifUs Cube                  Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Derelor                       Anson Maddocks                Unknown
Draconian Cylix               Edward Beard, Jr.             Unknown
Dwarven Armorer               Bryon Wackwitz                Unknown
Dwarven Catapult              Jeff A. Menges                $600
Dwarven Hold                  Pat Morrissey                 $500
Dwarven Ruins                 Mark Poole                    Unknown
Dwarven Soldier               Douglas Shuler                Unknown
Dwarven Soldier               Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Dwarven Soldier               Rob Alexander                 Unknown
Ebon Praetor                  Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Ebon Stronghold               Mark Poole                    Unknown
Elven Fortress                Mark Poole                    Unknown
Elven Fortress                Pete Venters                  Unknown
Elven Fortress                Randy Asplund-Faith           Available
Elven Fortress                Tom Wanerstrand               $500
Elven Lyre                    Kaja Foglio                   $700
Elvish Farmer                 Richard Kane-Ferguson         Unknown
Elvish Hunter                 Anson Maddocks                Unknown
Elvish Hunter                 Mark Poole                    Unknown
Elvish Hunter                 Susan Van Camp                Unknown
Elvish Scout                  Christopher Rush              Unknown
Elvish Scout                  Mark Poole                    Unknown
Elvish Scout                  Pete Venters                  Unknown
FarrelUs Mantle               Anthony Waters                Unknown
FarrelUs Zealot               Edward Beard, Jr.             Unknown
FarrelUs Zealot               Richard Kane-Ferguson         Unknown
Farrelite Priest              Phil Foglio                   $700
Feral Thallid                 Rob Alexander                 Unknown
Fungal Bloom                  Daniel Gelon                  Unknown
Goblin Chirurgeon             Dan Frazier                   Unknown
Goblin Chirurgeon             Daniel Gelon                  Unknown
Goblin Chirurgeon             Phil Foglio                   $600
Goblin Flotilla               Tom Wanerstrand               $400
Goblin Grenade                Christopher Rush              Unknown
Goblin Grenade                Dan Frazier                   Unknown
Goblin Grenade                Ron Spencer                   $1,000
Goblin Kites                  Anson Maddocks                Unknown
Goblin War Drums              Dan Frazier                   Unknown
Goblin War Drums              Heather Hudson                $575
Goblin War Drums              Jeff A. Menges                $650
Goblin War Drums              Richard Kane-Ferguson         Unknown
Goblin Warrens                Dan Frazier                   Unknown
Havenwood Battleground        Mark Poole                    Unknown
Heroism                       Mark Poole                    Unknown
High Tide                     Amy Weber                     Unknown
High Tide                     Anson Maddocks                Unknown
Hollow Trees                  Pat Morrissey                 $500
Homarid                       Bryon Wackwitz                Unknown
Homarid                       Heather Hudson                $700
Homarid                       Mark Tedin                    Unknown
Homarid                       Quinton Hoover                @WG
Homarid Shaman                Amy Weber                     Unknown
Homarid Spawning Bed          Douglas Shuler                Unknown
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14 hours ago, Bronty said:

interesting, surprising, but still.   

Half the blue cards in EVERY set are based on it.   Versions of it with a twist.   

But what you're saying is still quite a surprise to me

At some point it was decided the unconditional counters were too powerful at 2 mana. Now "Cancel" is the norm at colorless + blue + blue to cast. They sometimes print 1 or 2 mana counters that are more conditional, like counter target creature spell or non-creature spell etc. Sometimes the 3 mana spells have a small upside, like scry 1, or exile the card being countered. I do think Counterspell will be reprinted in a standard legal set again some day though, so there is hope.

Also:

Arcades Sabboth auction has begun. $22K already (reserve not met?)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/mtgartmarket/permalink/2181850858711788/

12 minutes ago, Bronty said:

All the early pieces will do well, but I feel like the original counterspell art is one that will become more and more valuable over time.     That card will always, always be relevant and always get included in modern sets.    Its one of the very few cards that's never going to go away, unlike almost everything else.     It was relevant then, now, and will still be relevant 25 years from now if people are still playing the game.    There are other examples too, but its a permanently relevant card and it basically symbolizes all of blue.

It actually hasn't been reprinted in a standard legal set since 7th edition (2001). Lightning Bolt has been reprinted in standard multiple times since then. It's not even legal in the Modern format, which is 8th Edition/Mirrodin forward.

13 minutes ago, Bronty said:

When you say new blood in the game, do you mean new blood collecting art, or getting into mtg?

I get the sense that higher public prices on the mtg art are legitimizing the value in the minds on some that were on the sidelines.

I.e. when Dan Chang posts about selling wrath of god privately for 80k (which is the post that started this thread) well, that's alright and it gets attention, but a far lesser card like arcbound getting 45 on a heated public auction.... now you're cooking.    Plus all the hundreds of other public facebook sales happening.    A lot of people are chicken to jump in when prices are lower and the material illiquid.    And now that they see it moving around and becoming more liquid, even though its at higher prices... they jump in.    Bit of herd mentality there too.

Both are probably true, but only new art collectors matter in this context.

Wrath of God will and should sell for higher than Ravager, but I don't actually think Ravager is the "far lesser card" anymore. Many many many more people will have played with Ravager at this point, and it's an ostensibly better card. 50 years from now Ravager might be worth more than Wrath. Unlikely since Wrath was in Alpha, but if it had first been printed in say Arabian Nights instead...I think it's close.

On 6/8/2018 at 1:07 PM, Bronty said:

1. agree

2. agree.... but at lower levels, outliers can happen a little easier.     I just attach zero importance to that sale.   I suspect you do as well.

3. ah, that does help to know they are legal for regular play. thx.  

2. I wouldn't say I attach zero importance, but I mostly agree. It definitely is an outlier. I feel like we are seeing a lot of new blood in the game, which may or may not have had anything to do with this particular sale.

3. 

12 minutes ago, Bronty said:

Here's my takes:

- power nine art could be seven figures in time.   Why not?    If the game is still very popular in 25 or 35 years, I'd be surprised if it wasn't, especially the Lotus.   Any of those power 9 pieces would already be six figures plus so its not that big a stretch if you factor in all that time.

- 2750 is a lot for charging badger, but raoul vitale is a name outside magic too.    I don't see that one outlier translating to anything else except possibly similar vitale's.   Your thoughts?

- Help me understand the unstable island business.    I clearly don't know the game or what drives it half as well as you but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around why an island from a schlocky joke set outside the main game would be 20k.   Okay, its very nicely rendered, but its just an island... and while basic lands are collectible, there will be more renderings for basic island with practically every set... and this one is not from an important set... I don't get it.     Looks more like 10 to me than 20+ offhand, but I'm perfectly willing to concede that you may be right.   Just having trouble understanding that; seems wildly overpriced to me.

  

Power 9 is definitely well over 6 figures currently...I would expect lotus to be $250K+...sky's the limit.

The artist on a magic cards matter, but not nearly as much as how good the card is. I can go buy a Vitale art for a card for $1K without issue. Some people just view that sale as a new benchmark for cards (it's not really, but FOMO is a thing).

The basic lands from Un-sets are legal in regular magic unlike all the other cards from those sets. Other than Beta basics, they are the most popular basics in the game. An Island card from a regular set is worth about a penny, but an Unstable Island is worth about $4 (and rising). They are very very popular, and John takes extra special time with them. They are also portrait vs. landscape aspect ratio, so there is novelty in that as well.

12 hours ago, Bronty said:

that being said, the massive % increases in value are over.    A piece isn't going to go from 50k today to 5m in 25 years, that's just not going to happen.    Maybe 250k or even 500k happens if it all goes well, but the kind of gains someone like Paul enjoyed aren't going to be enjoyed by today's owners, nor should they.    He made a way riskier bet in 1993 than anybody plunking down their chips today.

Oh I absolutely agree...we are actually on an upward trajectory right now, and who knows where the peak is, but it's not in the millions range, and other than a few pieces, it's not even in the $100K range. Magic art is a lot like Comic art, there is just a lot less of it (and a lot less collectors). You can buy comic pages for $100 still. Magic art the floor is $500, because it's so scarce. I predict 5 years from now the top pieces (like Ravager) will be in the $100K range, good playable card or great art on a card ~$10K, and the floor for cards with mediochre to bad art about $1K.

Anecdote time. A few weeks ago the art for a card named "Charging Badger" went up for auction. This is a bad magic card (1 mana 1/1 with trample). The art is nice, but not even really a fantasy piece...more like a nature piece. There is a small meme associated, so that might have contributed, but it sold for $2750. This was a major surprise to a lot of the community, and everyone with active sales threads immediately raised their prices. A rising tide lifts all boats as it were. https://www.facebook.com/groups/mtgartmarket/permalink/2159883600908514/

New one. Next week, a major basic land goes up for auction. Island from Unstable by John Avon (THE premier landscape artist in the game). I predict $20K easy, and I don't know where the limit is on this one. https://www.facebook.com/groups/mtgartmarket/permalink/2179288065634734/

57 minutes ago, Bronty said:

Sure, but it would have seemed expensive then too, and it would have been a buy you made with the presumption that it was utterly illiquid and you were stuck with them for life.    Pre internet days art would have been so much tougher to move if an emergency presented itself.     So somebody like Paul that spent 20 or 30 thousand in 1993 or whatever buying all those great pieces from some brand new game that might not last... that took cajones back then.     With 25 years of hindsight, sure it looks like the biggest no-brainer of all time but if you put most of back in that time and told us to come up with say 25k in 1993 dollars with 1993 incomes, for a bunch of great mtg art, none of us, or almost none of us, are doing it.

 Same thing with comic art in the early 70s.    

And 25 years from now people might be saying the same thing about the prices of today. 

11 hours ago, Bronty said:

Do you know who owns the Lotus these days?

No. There are people who know, and I might be able to find out if I did some digging, but I don't know personally.

2 minutes ago, Bronty said:

agreed, but when you paid 500 bucks for them, you're not going to want to pay 50 grand when you already have many better examples.   My opinion.

 

 

That's like saying you missed out on buying AF15 for $1K 25 years ago so you won't pay market value today. If you want it, you want it, and you'll pay the price if you want it enough. Or maybe someone beat him to the painting 25 years ago and he's been salty ever since. Who knows the motivations of a collector like that?

13 minutes ago, Bronty said:

I can't see it.   He paid nothing for those.    He's had strong enough hands not to sell all those gems he bought, but he bought them for a penny on the dollar

 

The reason he's been able to hold on to that stuff is he has never HAD to sell for money reasons. He had to have money when he bought all that since he bought so many pieces in 1993. Even at ~$500 each he had a good amount of cash lying around. He still picks up pieces when something grabs him, so he's definitely not out of the game. 

9 minutes ago, Bronty said:

just ran across this, cool old video.. 

 

Peter sold all that stuff soon after that  

4 minutes ago, Bronty said:

hmmm thanks for sharing.   will be fun to watch Arcades Sabboth.   I'll guess more like 25-30 on that

So hard to predict. The highest guess anyone had for Ravager was $22K and it went more than double that. I wouldn't be surprised by $15K, and I wouldn't be surprised by $75K for Arcades. There's a guy that already owns 3 of the other Elder Dragons, so he might be a big player if he wants it.

Exciting events recently in the Magic art world.

Arcbound Ravager, played in every format it has ever been legal in, just sold for over $45K - https://www.facebook.com/groups/mtgartmarket/permalink/2174106076152933/

Serra Angel from the newest set Dominaria by Donato Giancola (first time back to the game in forever, and a true Master) is being auctioned on his site (ends tomorrow 6/7) - http://www.donatoart.com/auction/index.html

Next week Arcades Sabbath, Elder Dragon, from the Legends set will be auctioned off on the same Facebook group as Arcbound Ravager. I expect this to fetch a similar price. Different whales for this one as it has never really seen play in any constructed format, and will be entirely nostalgia driven.

My collection has evolved over the last year. You can always see what I own here - http://www.comicartfans.com/galleryfavoritesroom.asp?gfav=8240