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What's the difference between Darkhawk #5 1st print and Darkhawk #5 2nd print?

1st Print UPC box

 

2nd Print UPC box

Right, it is part of the 1992 Marvel Vintage Pack-

http://stlcomics.com/gallery/jcpenney_stridex/

This was one of only two or three titles that I bought at my LCS during the 90's and I have the complete set plus all crossovers up until 2000 or so. Great fun at the time.

I just picked up a few 2nd print Marvels in a dollar box and noticed that the X-Factor 71 and Web of Spider-Man 90 are newsstand issues.

Actually some more of those Armageddon 2001 annuals had 2nd and 3rd printings... besides Batman Ann 15 there was-

Hawkworld Ann #2 2nd

Justice League America Ann #5 2nd

Superman Ann #3 2nd and 3rd

Deathstroke the Terminator #1 also had a 2nd printing

Another 208 was sold on E-Bay the day before that one although it was not advertised as a variant... http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-2-MARVEL-COMICS-KID-COLT-OUTLAW-COMIC-BOOKS-208-46-/191011753282?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2c79300d42#ht_5140wt_956

Start a collection of JCPenny variants from the 90s. Some of those books are pretty tough to find.

 

Occasionally they cause havoc in auctions as well because sellers think they are the original copies.

 

So does CGC occasionally.

 

 

And just because. 9,4 on a copper seems terrible. Its almost best case scenarion for SMFs

 

A 9.4 on a SMF book is like a 9.9/10.0 of a normal copper book. Just insane. Nice book!

Well, I wouldn't go that far but since there is a much smaller pool of available issues to choose from-they are tougher in grade. I would say that in my set four would grade 9.4, four would be about 9.0 and the last four 7.5-8.0. Of course I had a head start on most everybody and upgraded and then traded my undercopies over the course of a few years.

BTW, this is a great set to put together since it crosses over 3 publishers just like the Shan-Lon mini comics.

There are other errors out there just maybe not this exact error. The thing is that if it is an error then you would think the printers are trying to avoid it so very few happen much less see the light of day. I know of other similar errors such as a Hulk issue with a missing UPC on the whole newstand run and a Spider-Man with missing bars in the UPC. There are other errors such as missing mastheads and several with missing text on the cover.

Take a look at this FF issue where the last bar on the UPC is "dropping"...

It is next to impossible to prove but an error seems the most likely explanation.

Here are the other ones I know about pre 1993...

Action

662 2nd

685 2nd,3rd

Adv of Superman

497 2nd

498 2nd,3rd

Det 458 2nd

GL v3 46 2nd

JLA 69 and 70 2nd

Robin 1 2nd

Superman

24 2nd,3rd (not positive about this)

50 2nd

Here is another issue with a blank UPC that had both direct and newstand versions. I have this issue and it looks to me that it is a similar error but they did put the correct newstand info in the price box.

I know Ian Levine has a copy and I think he got it from DC themselves. You can see it in this pic all the way to the left 4th row down. That is the only copy I have ever seen.

http://stlcomics.com/cover_gallery/details.php?image_id=8594&mode=search

Mine was under "P" as well. Here is my childhood VG copy... hard to believe I picked this up over 40 years ago at my local 7-11 in Miami.

Surprised there was not more talk about these EBAY Auction, I guess people were observing Rule 1.

 

I was the under bidder on this one and a tad shocked not to win.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281201276911?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

 

My Bid here but got blown out of the water.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281201277809?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Wow, amazing price considering the not so great condition of those copies. I am so glad I got my VFs way back when for a fraction of what those went for. I can only imagine what a KC 208 would go for nowadays.

Here you go.... 307 issues in total.

http://www.mvstamps.com/issues.htm

I found a pic of one more Philippines edition on my computer from who knows when...

Thanks for letting me use your scans and as to the Bats 241-it looks to be a scan from Mile High Comics.

There is a gallery dedicated to these editions over at STLcomics which I put together... in fact if the posters on here don't mind I'd like to add these also. LMK if that is alright and enjoy.

http://stlcomics.com/cover_gallery/categories.php?cat_id=408

There must be something to the Tampa connection. I just found this copy at the Tampa show, at the booth right next to David's (who I bought some great books from by the way). Sending it in to get graded real soon.

 

Nice, welcome to the club!

Another set of reprints that are often overlooked are the spidey hologram set of 2nd prints with gold holograms vs the silver 1st prints.

 

Yes, and to me those seem especially difficult. I haven't seen many copies of any of them. Did all four get reprinted?

To my knowlegde only Spec Spider-man 189 and Web of Spider-Man 90 had 2nd prints.

The top comic is an example of a newstand distribution edition while the bottom was a direct sales edition. Normally the newstand editions of this era have a upc in the lower left corner but that scan has it blacked out. The price boxes evolved over time but the upc boxes were very different for many years as the direct sale version has some type of art while the newstand editions had the upc code.

Well, I just picked up a few more 2nd prints during 4th of July sales including an X-Men 281. However, I can't find a 2nd printing notice anywhere in the indicia. Are we sure that the issue with the red "X-Men" logo is indeed a 2nd print? LMK

Here is one that nobody has mentioned... Stryke's Strike File #1 Gold logo-

I just found 8 of the 2nd and 3rd print variants in the bargain bin or my LCS so those along with the few I have gets to me to about 25% of the set according to the issues I have in the gallery. Since I already have about a dozen different variant sets finished-I figured this one should be doable on the cheap.

Should the Pressman's be on this list?

 

I notice slabbed copies don't note them as 2nd print, but instead refer to them as "Gold Edition".

Actually, CGC labels the X-Men #11 Pressman as a 2nd print although all the others are lableled Gold Editions. They are special cases to be sure as they are really more of a promo.

Okay, this thread has inspired me to go ahead and great a gallery over at the STL galleries for these later Copper printings. I put the print number, year published and the color difference for easy reference. Let me know of any corrections. There are several missing because I just didn't know how to identify the different prints or they looked the same to me (Nam #1). If you have one to add either post it here or pm me the scan and I'll add it right away. Here is the linky- http://stlcomics.com/cover_gallery/categories.php?cat_id=544

BTW, in case anybody is interested here are the links to...

Shan-Lons- http://stlcomics.com/gallery/shan-lon_reprints/

So Much Funs- http://www.stlcomics.com/gallery/somuchfun/

Marvel Vintage Packs 1992-1994 http://www.stlcomics.com/gallery/jcpenney_stridex/

X-Men Pressmans- http://stlcomics.com/gallery/pressman/

I'd like to ask the OP to edit his first post to start a master list of these Copper 2nd prints so we know what to chase (and I could reference it on the road). I've learned of many new ones reading this thread. I'd also like to encourage more posting of scans/pics to see some of these babies. This has become a fun box diving challenge at cons or better shops, but I was running out of known books to look for. Now I have added to my list!

I'd also like to see where we should start the list as the GI Joe 2nd prints started in 1983 but the main group of 2nd prints didn't start ramping up until 1990. Should we included TPBs and Graphic Novels too! Should we inlcude everything above just to be as inclusive as possible?

I remembered a few more

Hulk 393

Thanos Quest 1 and 2

Iron Man: Crash

Micronauts 1-3

Web of Spider-Man 90

Marvels 1