Bomber-Bob

Per the CGC calendar of events on their website, they are attending NYCC but there is no onsite grading. BTW, cost is determined by the value of your books, the tiers they are submitted in, and the services you request. You should look on the CGC website to get your answers.

Interesting. Last time I called, they told me the status moves to shipped when the shipment is actually out the door = they physically could not look at the books. I don't know the details of Roy's experience but, as in all cases of a dramatic drop in grade, you always have to consider damage.

This is disconcerting. I don't understand how this can happen as you are not suppossed to know your grades until the books are shipped. Even years ago, when you knew your grades same day as graded, they did not want to discuss it unless you had the book in hand.

I'm confused. This book was already in a new holder ? I can tell from the cert number it was graded about 10 years ago so it must have already been reholdered. BTW, the 7 year reference came from the startup years of CGC. At the time, they could not test the lifespan of the microchamber paper and suggested it would last at least 7 years. I think they have found it can last a lot longer than 7 years, more like a lifetime.

You just learned a lesson the hard way. Always leave a 9.9 book alone. There is simply too many hazards involved with a reholder to risk a 9.9 grade. Between, shipping, cracking open the case, handling, encapsulation, where the slightest fail can impact the grade it is not worth it. Was it a first generation label ? Maybe the book suffered SCS (shaken comic syndrome) from the shipment. CGC is usually good about accepting responsibility so I have a feeling the book arrived with the damage already there. Do you have any pics of the book as a 9.9 ?

They do, it's called Fast Track. Pay a little more and they will give your submission a higher priority. Fast Track for Moderns is currently at 15 days.

Good answer and I agree. However, since these are two key books, I would still get them pressed and graded. Just don't expect a high grade.

I don't think CGC will answer you here as they don't like to comment on grading without the book in hand. It's a legitimate question but definitely difficult to answer. I suspect you are correct that until they see a number of books, they can't make a bindery call. I'm not sure but I don't think a spine tick is usually considered bindery. It is usually caused by handling. Corner chips, staple issues and things of that nature may get a pass but not sure about a spine tick. The only suggestion I have is submit it in a larger pre-screen submission.

I don't think it is a printing defect. Looks like color loss from a tape pull or something sticky. Somebody recently showed a similar cover that was determined to be from the bag sticking to the cover. I think it was Joeypost that said he has seen this happen. I know I have removed books from 'sticky' bags and you have to peel them away. I would usually use a scissors to cut away at the bag as opposed to pulling it out.

This thread is slow lately, I guess we need another movie. Saw the WW #83 above, great copy with White Pages, and thought I would show off my copy. It used to be the single highest graded but it looks like there is now another 8.5 in the census. This was from my raw collection, submitted myself, not pressed.

I think we are taking different routes to get to the same location. No, I don't think you can take your 'route'. First off, the CGC prescreen requires a minimum number of books. Maybe 25(?), but definitely more than 12. If this was a Walkthrough of a high grade book you may be able to go from CGC back to CCS but otherwise it's not typically done. Second, for insurance reasons, CGC does not typically hold onto books to accommodate one shipment. Taking my 'route', if your book is not suitable for a pressing, then it wouldn't help to send it from CGC to CCS . Lastly, I don't think it's a good idea to send in 12 copies of the same book trying to get all 9.8's. Some will naturally be better than others, maybe even subtle bindery differences and unless the grader feels like giving out 9.9's that day, it's more probable those 'lesser' books will be knocked down to 9.6's.

You specifically asked 'Is there a way to have them pre-screened and then pass the non-9.8s along for a press, then along to grading?' Isn't that the same as asking if these are suitable candidates for pressing ? The quote from the site specifically answers your question. 'If multiple comics are submitted for screening but only a portion are deemed suitable press candidates, those not receiving service will be held until pressing is complete. This allows the entire order to be transferred to CGC together. In summary, you send all 12 of your books to CCS for a precreen and you get exactly what you desired. BTW, the Boards are bombarded with newbie questions that can easily be answered by simply looking at the CGC website. In your case, I believe you looked but couldn't find it but many are just being lazy and want us to perform the legwork. The Boards is a great source of knowledge. You can learn a lot here but it helps to play nice.

The image of the 9.0 label he showed us is of a previous generation. I don't know why but he hid the cert number so we can't tell when it was originally graded. Assuming it was graded by a different team, the current team has Haspel and Matt Nelson. The best in the business for resto detection. I just don't think they will see it differently upon getting the book again. Sure, there's a chance, but I don't think 50/50.

A few years back, this happened on a JIM 83. I followed the events closely because it was originally my book, in a Universal Label, which I traded + cash to a Boardie for an upgrade. He immediately cracked it open and sent it to CGC on a Walkthrough, no pressing as I don't think CCS existed yet. He got a Trimmed Purple and ranted on the Boards. After multiple resubs, at least 3, It eventually got overturned back to a Universal. Apparently, the book was sent in during con season and all the key players were out-of-office. My opinion was they caved to the Board reaction. Harshen came on the Boards and clearly stated that unless a book is resubmitted in the slab, and opened by CGC personnel, no compensation would be given. In the the JIM 83 case, the owner had clear pictures of it in the Universal slab and my corroboration of the story. Here, there is not even a picture of the 9.0 slab, just a label with the cert number hidden. I just don't see how CGC can validate this story. Regarding a raw resub having 50/50 odds, I don't think so. It's similar to a sports challenge where the call on the field stands unless there is visual evidence to the contrary.

IMO, the very best this book can receive is a 4.5 . There is just too much going on to assign a grade with the word 'Fine' in it. Maybe some of your grade estimates assume the press will include a spine realignment and remove the large spine roll. I hate spine realignments so I am not considering it. The top edge is very banged up and, while a press may straighten it out, I think there will be residual tears and creases. There is a stain on the FC under the 'M' in X-Men. It may be a very large stain if the area above the 'M' is also part of the stain. Hard to tell from the scan. The right edge has a large reading crease and some color rub. The Back Cover has two long color breaking creases . IMO, the BC creases are big enough to cap it @ 5.5 . The FC stain, spine roll, and all the other stuff should take it down at least a full point. I would grade it at 4.0 now but I could see a 4.5 with some help. I do like the strong Green and Red colors on the FC. Unfortunately CGC does not add points for aesthetics. In any case good luck on your submission.

This book looks REALLY nice ! I like the cert number = tightly graded. I love the tiny date stamp. Nice pickup, congrats !

As with all flaws, CGC takes into consideration the severity of the flaw. In another thread recently the topic of marvel chipping was discussed. Some argued that since the chipping is bindery, CGC ignores the flaw. Bob Storms contacted Paul Litch and confirmed they do downgrade for the flaw, actually measuring the totality of the missing areas. I just don't think you can broad stroke the idea that bindery flaws are ignored. Depending on the condition of the rest of the book,and the severity of the flaw, bindery flaws may be 'ignored' or applied to the grade. IMO, it has to be this way, otherwise a completely mangled book coming off the printer could be eligible for a 9.8 .

Kav, you would be correct if this was a case of a neatly executed application of an extra set of staples. However, in this situation, it was staple on top of staple resulting in more damage than normal. The bent staple, tears, holes, etc cannot be ignored in the grade.

If you are trying to be economical I would not recommend getting only one book graded. First off, there is a 5.00 fee for the submission and the shipping costs are killer. You would be better off submitting all three at once getting combined shipping and only paying the 5.00 fee once.

Assuming you are correct, and this was done during manufacturing, I really don't think you are going to get the grade bump Kav suggested. While CGC is lenient on certain bindery problems they do not ignore them. I'm sorry but there are numerous holes and tears on this book and I am surprised it even got a 5.0 . A change in the wording on the label won't matter much. They may give you a 5.5 just for the effort but I think multiple holes throughout the whole book will not be allowed in a 7.5 .

It's not a dumb question but without any pics or mention of the condition of the books it's difficult to answer you. Your books are not major keys, so they would have to in near perfect condition to justify the costs of slabbing. Slabbing may help the Sandman book as it will authenticate the variant.

The first 7 digits of the cert number is assigned to the submission. The last three digits represent the sequence number of the books withing the submission. Reholders generally keep the same cert number.

I obviously don't know for a fact but I don't think reslabbing holds much profit, if any, for them. I have heard it's nearly a break even, courtesy type of service. While I think the new slabs can often look great, especially with high grade books, I also think they can look terrible. It seems that the new slabs magnify everything and the flaws of low grade books are accentuated. I much prefer the earlier slabs that were lighter, had minimal Newton RIngs, and were easier to open. I would never reholderer a book that was fine in an older holder. Seems silly to me.

The CR/OW is definitely going to hurt your resale value. It also depends on how the all White cover looks. If the cover is yellowing along with the pages, that's not good. As Callaway said above, there are many alternative copies out there. Chances are the CR/OW is being offered to you at a cheaper price because it is a difficult sell. Bottom line, I would not buy it.