500Club

On 7/31/2018 at 5:27 PM, Azreael said:

Forgive me for “implying” or um, “inferring” the wrong impression.  

Imparting, not ‘implying’ or ‘inferring’. 

Read it today.  Thought it was OK to good.  Some of the familiar FF family elements were there.  

Agree it’s not a spec candidate.

Also agree with the post stating Pichelli’s art wasn’t very good.  It’s a far cry from her nice clean work on USM.

And that's why, just because CGC puts something on a label, it's not 'the word of God'.

3 hours ago, CKinTO said:

This is separate from the whole question on what is 1st app GCS - there was a big thread on here last year arguing why Tec850 was not really a 1st app and was just speculators trying to push it as such. CGC label doesn't denote either. I assume if a movie were actually confirmed, CGC might eventually take a view.

It doesn't matter if CGC takes a view.  As far as valuation goes, CGC is the tail.  The comic buying market is the dog. 

As far as a literal first appearance, they're either there or they're not.

26 minutes ago, GLCBrad said:

The Symbiote God from Venom 3 apparently had first appearance in that book.

So Venom 3 = no longer special in that sense. 

Lemmings, meet cliff.

On 7/10/2018 at 1:07 PM, Avi said:

On 7/10/2018 at 12:12 PM, Wolverinex said:

Not sure if I"ll pick this up after the boring Oblivion Song

 I second the boringness of Oblivion song also the dialogue on the cover alone makes me want to not buy it. =P

No kidding.  All that boring character development, world building, and intrigue... 

6 hours ago, aardvark88 said:

Waste of gas driving from Vancouver, BC suburb. The closest WM across the USA border had 3 month old DC Spotlight mag 1/2 price at $5. The 2nd closest WM in WA state was a Supercentre that had nada, nil, zip, not even an empty DC  cardboard display stand next to their Pokemon card area.

Were you planning to smuggle some back?  Don’t customs have you on a watchlist? 

2 hours ago, Lazyboy said:

4 hours ago, Chuck Gower said:

My answer was “no, not really.”

To me, it doesn’t appear they’re doing it with any more frequency than they ever have. 

 From here, it seems like there has been a surge recently.

I’m trying to suss out whether there’s been a surge, or whether it’s simply the new rage to chase every single new character appearance, no matter how significant, and hype each and every one on internet message boards.  I think it’s a bit of both.  The gestalt, to me, was that there was a period in the aughts when very few new characters were being created relative to the historical norm, so I think there has been an increase lately.  But I think the spotlight effect is magnifying the perception.

On 6/30/2018 at 12:46 PM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

On 6/29/2018 at 3:12 PM, kimik said:

Definitely. UXM #211is the first book I bought. I think I still have that copy tucked away someplace - the classic 25th anniversary border drew me to it as an 11yo and started my comic addiction. I think I bought all of the other 25th anniversary covers I could find after that since they looked so cool together.

The 25th Anniversary issue of New Mutants is one of my favorite stand alone comic issues. Great story!

Just reread that the other day, after reading the above posts. 

3 hours ago, Aweandlorder said:

I simply cant believe ASM#4 reg cover are SELLING at 60+ a pop raw. @krighton must be having a field day!

Where is krighton?  Come back...

50 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

3 hours ago, 500Club said:

It's probably going too far to say something is a hard and fast rule - there's always exceptions.  At most, any 'rule' is the prevailing generalization.

Lately there's been so many ambiguous cases (n.b. K Khan) that trying to impose rules is like herding cats.

The OPG imposes all sorts of rules, front cover to back.

Just sayin'....

Even a "glossary" is an imposition of rules, after all.

Can you name any exceptions...any at all...to the originality concept...? 

You know, where a story has appeared that was entirely original in comic book format (ie, not a magazine that was later reprinted into comic book form), that is NOT considered a "first appearance" if the story contained appearances by characters that had never appeared before...?

It's fairly straightforward. Original story and art that contains an appearance by characters not seen before - first appearance. Not original, destined to be printed somewhere else - not first appearance. 

All the "muddling" doesn't change any of that. You put the books in question in publication order, and find the original work. DONE. That's the first appearance.

I'm commenting more from the standpoint of the functional definition of first appearance, which tends to be how the market bandies about the expression 'first appearance'.  IH 180 is Wolverine's first appearance, but colloquially 181 is often called the 'first appearance'.  Of course, it's not the literal first appearance, but we've essentially co-opted the term over time to mean 'most important introduction issue.'

Happy to agree with your rule if we're taking a literal approach.

It's probably going too far to say something is a hard and fast rule - there's always exceptions.  At most, any 'rule' is the prevailing generalization.

Lately there's been so many ambiguous cases (n.b. K Khan) that trying to impose rules is like herding cats.

1 hour ago, ygogolak said:

2 hours ago, 500Club said:

Some people like hashing these points out.  It's especially relevant if it's a significant trend, as ygogolak seems to think.  I tend to disagree with the magnitude of the trend, but it can't be denied that the propagandizing about these items has markedly increased in the last 3-5 years.

For sure, and on top of that, labels have been changed. Therefor validating their importance.

The whimsy and spuriousness of the CGC labels has already been discussed.

2 hours ago, divad said:

14 hours ago, valiantman said:

You're absolutely right because no one besides the three of you has ever had a conversation just like this one for hundreds of pages in the past 16 years on this board.

 

Just this one, right here, right now, just you three.

Yep. (but I enjoyed it.) What's that say about me?

Some people like hashing these points out.  It's especially relevant if it's a significant trend, as ygogolak seems to think.  I tend to disagree with the magnitude of the trend, but it can't be denied that the propagandizing about these items has markedly increased in the last 3-5 years.

14 hours ago, valiantman said:

On ‎6‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 10:41 AM, 500Club said:

I don’t think anyone spouted any such nonsense.  You’re preaching to three collectors/debaters who are very well versed in the economics of the hobby.

The only point that came remotely close was when RMA compared Capes 1 to WD 1, and in that instance it was specifically noted that insight could be drawn because print runs were similar.

You're absolutely right because no one besides the three of you has ever had a conversation just like this one for hundreds of pages in the past 16 years on this board.

Might want to suggest that's what you're addressing when you post then, rather than posting what looks like commentary specific to this thread's discussion.

I don't mind either brand.  I do like the convenience of the resealable bags.

I absolutely detest the 'Vintage' brand of boards that tend to warp and curl.

3 hours ago, valiantman said:

If there's a way to buy A for $2 and sell it for $50, then of course, do it. But don't be spouting nonsense about how A is more important than B because $50 is greater than $5. The overall market doesn't care about individual prices, just overall demand and the supply available to meet it.

I don’t think anyone spouted any such nonsense.  You’re preaching to three collectors/debaters who are very well versed in the economics of the hobby.

The only point that came remotely close was when RMA compared Capes 1 to WD 1, and in that instance it was specifically noted that insight could be drawn because print runs were similar.

3 hours ago, valiantman said:

12 hours ago, 500Club said:

• I don’t think he was posting it as an equation.  Switch out the slash for a +. 

It is an equation, if done correctly.

Value = Demand / Supply

 The Value of an individual book is the Overall Demand divided by the Overall Supply.

My comment was confined purely to the fact that ygogolak had no intention of posting an equation.

2 hours ago, Michael Browning said:

23 hours ago, divad said:

Just a reminder guys . . . this thread is called:

 

Moderns that are heating up on ebay!

 

How are trades and omnibuses NOT moderns that are heating up on eBay? For all the knowledge that is shared on here, I am shocked at how people disregard another part of the same hobby.

I’m shocked that some people are such rigid thinkers that interesting and relevant related discussions are frowned upon.

Do we need separate threads for moderns selling at shows, at LCSs, on Comiclink, Heritage  etc, etc?  

1 hour ago, valiantman said:

On 6/16/2018 at 11:55 AM, ygogolak said:

WOW

Value = supply / demand.

I hope you're joking.

Do the math, if supply was 1 copy and demand was every-person-on-Earth, you're saying value would be almost zero.

• I don’t think he was posting it as an equation.  Switch out the slash for a +. 

3 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

If he did what made him happy, there's no argument against that. That's the only thing that matters.

But talk about an opportunity wasted...

And the sad thing is, it's not like he wasn't used to a monthly schedule. He worked on the Hulk for almost three years on a monthly schedule, with only a handful of fill-in issues (#368, #378, #380.)

I've gotta get to work on that Keown Hulk SS 9.8 run. Maybe I'll even sign a 393 myself.  

 

I’m not sure how old he was at the time, but I suspect he did indeed do what made him happy.   I picture Uncle Scrooge in the vault, doing the backstroke in a hefty pile of bills. 

Given that he’s back doing incentive covers for Marvel, though, I suspect he’d agree with many of us of experience and vintage - ‘if I knew then what I know now...’ 

Maybe more.  Word was, he banked $1M on Pitt 1 alone, then retreated to his Fortress of Solitude in Grande Prairie to focus on his band. 

Strike while the iron is hot certainly would’ve applied here.

3 hours ago, fastballspecial said:

On 6/15/2018 at 1:37 PM, 500Club said:

On 6/15/2018 at 10:02 AM, Broke as a Joke said:

On 6/15/2018 at 8:08 AM, ygogolak said:

Yes, he did NYX. Dell 'Otto, Hughes, Campbell, Mattina, even Skottie Young have done interiors in their past. Becoming almost strictly a cover artist means you have been recognized as bringing unique talent to comics. With that, I'm sure their prices increase. Although, I guess they could keep drawing interiors for a fraction of the price. That makes sense, right?

Actually he only did the first 4 issues of NYX, he couldn't even finish the whole 6 issues.  Hughes and Campbell have at least held it down on a monthly title before for more than 4 issues.  Of course you can talk about money but when these talented guys don't give us any creativity or storytelling in a medium that is currently dying for that very thing, it is disheartening.   

It is disheartening as a fan, but, putting myself in the artists`shoes, I`d happily do covers exclusively for the kind of money JSC and others are getting.

Truthfully, this is a monster of our (collectors as a whole) own creation.

I agree we continue to fund the monster. I think its become its own legit field, but I am hoping the last few books like ASM 800 and Bat 50 wear out the market.

Credit where credit is due, though - some of these ‘hot cover artists’ are doing some eye popping work.

1 minute ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

The reason these previews have value now is because of the small, loud minority of people who are trying to drum up support...and, in many cases, spending their own money...to try and create demand for these books...and, obviously, that's going to create a measure of it. 

In 1996, the entire run of Marvel Age had no value, because no one considered them anything other than what they were: preview books.

In 2006, the entire run of Marvel Age still had no value, for the same reason.

However, it's true that a small but determined group of people can throw some pebbles into the sea and create some ripples. Getting those ripples to last is the trick.

Having an echo chamber helps.

Also, having a forum where you can outsize your opinion and views, also helps.

11 minutes ago, ygogolak said:

Sorry, the Market uses CGC as the authority now. Much likes OPG was used in the past. CGC lables are very often flawed, changed, etc... but that's not what the masses see or know.
Which First Aliens do you own? Oh, better get both.

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Your point about what the masses see is important.  I still think you’re arguing for the masses you experience, though, which may be internet and spec site skewed.  I don’t get people at shows saying ‘well, that’s what the CGC label says’ or ‘let’s check the label’.  They don’t say, ‘well, I better consider IH 180 more important, given the label’.

My perspective comes from setting up at 8-12 shows a year, and dealing with the LCS and show crowds.