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New Mutants #18 (first appearance of Warlock) seems to be heating up. People are starting to appreciate The Demon Bear Saga again, hurrah!

 

But the art was horrendous. This is from memory I haven't read it in a long time.

 

I hated Bill S's art from that period. It was like he was drawing with psychedelic crayons while on acid. Just weird stuff.

 

A.K.A. innovative, ground-breaking, influential, genius...

 

All that could be true. I won't argue it. However, I still didn't like it and didn't think it was suitable for a superhero comic.

My opinion of his work from that period has changed slightly. I can appreciate it more now that I'm older but I still wouldn't say I'm a fan.

It was great art. But, not for New Mutants.

It was an artistic mismatch much like having Miller take over Power Pack would have been.

Don't be so quick to judge! those three extra copies could have been his bank account in overdraft.

thats when you make the "hard" judgement call to get 3 less copies of Convergence...

I agree with both of these comments. (thumbs u

I gust received a message that the folks on the Google Group Comic book Mint, liked the character Singularity BEFORE I liked her...

 

 

So if she pans out, it's their pick.

 

OK?

 

https://plus.google.com/communities/100440741136454583581

We'll blame them when the pick doesn't pan out.

The Eisner-nominated sci-fi hit returns in a new printing, with an all-new cover to herald the series’ return in Fall 2015.

 

 

I like this cover... it's a funny cover, as it was intended to be. Conner's work isn't everyone's cup of tea, however it can't be argued that it's badly drawn like some of the others posted here.

 

It absolutely can. She has more artistic talent than me, but I don't think she should be working for a big 2 and doing covers.

Ok... so where's the argument?

 

You said it can't be argued that it's badly drawn. I would say her style is badly drawn.

I fully respect your opinion that you don't like her style - many don't. However it's not a critique demonstrating why her work is poor.

 

As mentioned above, the cover is laid out well. The figures are anatomically well drawn, it has nice detail and a great colour scheme. It is by no means a bad cover.

Exactly.

I don't like Harley's face, either. It's a bit stylized and cartoony for my liking. That, however, is a question of style, and not artistic quality.

Contrast that with the Darth Vader cover, where the hands are reversed on the character's weapon, and the blade is not even in the swing plane. THAT is badly drawn.

I like this cover... it's a funny cover, as it was intended to be. Conner's work isn't everyone's cup of tea, however it can't be argued that it's badly drawn like some of the others posted here.

+1

It's laid out well, and tells a story consistent with the characters.

Not liking a style doesn't equal bad cover.

Although I do still find RMA's comments hypocritical, considering he will be an active particpant in the "madness". I don't think anybody who pays $700 for this book would ever (or have any right) to go back to the dealer who sold them the book six months later and blame them for their nonsensical impulse buy. And I don't think that is anything RMA (or any other dealer) worries about. It really is a "GIMME GIMME GIMME" on both sides then, isn't it RMA.

I haven't seen any hypocrisy.

He has essentially said two things: many books are being fuelled by hype and speculation, and, as a seller, he'd sell at this point. Just because he'd sell at elevated prices doesn't make him a hypocrite.

It's not a business' job to provide a value judgement in pricing its wares, it's a business' job to sell its product at prevailing market value.

It's an old phenomenon: lowest print run books in a large crossover.

There was a Scarlet Spider book that heated up a couple of years ago for the same reason. (SS 20?)

That's where the first appearance argument comes out.

Ivar was published first and includes five pages of Divinity #1. Since Ivar came out before Divinity #1 - it is a first appearance, a lame but very bankable first appearance.

 

I've sold all my copies but I'm not going to understate that books potential of importance.

It's got the same flavor as the Capes/Agents/WD 1 situation.

+1000

I totally agree. If there's one thing I've learned regarding the value of first appearances in comics over the last few years, its that characters showing up in movies and television is IRRELEVANT. Not LESS relevant, but IRRELEVANT. If I've seen it once, I've seen it a thousand times, comic characters showing up in movies or tv has no effect on the value of their first appearances. The ONLY thing that drives value changes in 1st app comics is their long term use in comic stories. This theory is easily proven, just look at Diablo, Gambit, Felcity Smoak, Thanos, Ultron, Preacher, Governor, Mchionne, Negan, Alias, Purple Man, Slipknot, Crystal Frost, Archangel, Apocalypse, Four Horseman, Psylocke, Deadshot, Deathstroke, Constantine, Captain Marvel, Vixen. No value changes AT all related to television/movies.

 

I'll contest this. LMK if you're trolling, so I can take the fish hook out of my mouth.

As examples:

Smoak - absolutely not collected until used on Arrow.

Thanos - big bump after cameo at end of Avengers.

Preacher - great series, but dead quiet until show news

Slipknot - almost purely moving on SS movie news

Deadshot - big bump with Arrow role

Many characters' first apps have been bin fodder for years until movie/TV spotlights found them. Can anyone here truly say they were buying Rocket Raccoon and Groot appearances before the GotG movie announcement?

Let's be honest, most of us use multiple resources to get our information and there's a lot of people who are reporting the same things at the same times. It's one of the very reasons why I hate it when I see people on any boards claiming that they were the first to report on some speculative book. It's frustrating when one doesn't get proper credit but it's part of the spec game.

(thumbs u

I'll take the middle ground. I don't think Mr Hoknes is doing Pulitzer worthy investigative work, but, conveinience wise, I certainly don't mind reading an aggregate of the information out there.

Okay.... I think this may be getting run into the ground now...

 

Toss in the Black Cat version on an upcoming Silk book, and the variant for Ant-Man 5...

Going by the rule 'any appearance is a 1st appearance', then the market has been wrong on these books too. Though with X-Men Annual #14, it has much more than a cameo in it.

'First Appearance' morphed from literal meaning into figure of speech in this hobby long ago.

So while he's at the show, she is either with him or somewhere answering emails.

 

Very cool and shows me they care about what's going on.

 

In the end im sure this is going to work out just fine for all

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I'm not so sure.

 

You had a 'computer error', cancelled orders, but still had books to sell at C2E2 for $60?

 

More drama to come, is my guess.

 

I don't think any orders have been canceled though. I thought only the guy who posted here had said anything about his order being canceled, and that was cleared up.

You're saying he would be the only guy affected by the 'computer error', and contacted by JTC. That would be surprising.

So while he's at the show, she is either with him or somewhere answering emails.

 

Very cool and shows me they care about what's going on.

 

In the end im sure this is going to work out just fine for all

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I'm not so sure.

You had a 'computer error', cancelled orders, but still had books to sell at C2E2 for $60?

More drama to come, is my guess.

seems like little to no interest for the 1st full appearance of Ms Marvel in All New Marvel Point One, only 4 copies for sale and no real movement.

 

I guess people would rather have a 2nd printing of CM 17 with a cameo

 

I think there is resistance to preview books though I'm not sure why. I've seen this with Rat Queens, Wytches, and other short story previews. The herd doesn't appreciate them now. Looking at how popular reprints have become, I could see a change in this area in the future too.

There's two kinds of previews. There's the DC Comics Presents 26 type, which is a unique story, and there's the recent Image type, which are short snippets from upcoming books. I think ambiguity has led people to assume most recent previews are type 2.

forestcity is that guy who posted right above you...

this thread could go completely off the rails so easily

Nah, we're an easy going, hot modern loving group in here...

Anyway, in our area, Darth Vader 1 seems to be quietly drying up.

Seriously, this book measures up against any CGC 9.8 any day of the week. You guys are pathetically over-analyzing what you think you see in huge scans as defects.

It can never be said that you short change people with thumbnail scans.

The top left tear might be production, that bottom left definitely isn't

Also, the to the left of "Super Powers" is a pretty big crease. Also on the back is a pretty bad scuff? On the spine above aquaman on the right in the dark spot of the spine.

Scanned enough books to know thats not white but a tear/hole forming.

 

On the spine to the right and above Aquaman is part of G. Perez's sig. not a scuff.

 

I see what you are talking about to the right of Super Powers, but could be production crease.

 

It's neither.

Show through from inner cover ad?

His EXISTENCE as a gay person is reflecting the REALITY (not "unlikeliness") that, um, some people are gay. If you can accept the unlikeliness of a dude turning to ice, with a little work you can probably accept the unlikeliness of a dude turning to other dudes.

The talking point is the fact this character has been well established for 50+ years. As vaillant said, it's poor storytelling. Develop a new character.

 

No, the character's been revised a million ways over 50 years. And every few years the writers re-examine these characters for the times in which they're NOW being written. Do you really want Bobby written as if this were still the early '60s? No. Except when it comes to his sexuality. Wonder why that is.

Cheap shot. Give it a rest.

 

Moot point, with Revat's clarification. But, there are certain things about people that don't change. I believe sexual orientation to be one of them. I believe gay people are aware of their orientation from the get go (can any of the gay board members chime in).

 

I believe that when tomorrow's news break about Bruce Jenner you'd rethink that statement (thumbs u

Not at all. Jenner has stated that he has always felt the way he does about himself. He was always uncomfortable with his gender identity.

Let me put it to you this way: have you ever considered switching your sexual orientation? Ever considered gender reassignment, as Jenner has? Anyone here?

Can you chip in again, dane? Have you ever met any other gay people who didn't always know the truth inside? Ever met anyone who said 'gee, you know, my life wasn't going so well, so I decided to change my sexual orientation'?

I hope the guy has help shipping out 4k comics

 

I mean I hope he has someone who appreciates the potential value of high grade comics help him ship them out

 

I was a little concerned myself. Apparently, it's just him and his wife shipping them out.

 

Here's to hoping everyone gets nice copies.

You'll get em stuffed in your mailbox and you'll like em!

also in my experience there shipping has been great. I order 10 copies at a time, all in great, not able to complain about, condition.

How is Canadian shipping cost? Are they sent boxed?

His EXISTENCE as a gay person is reflecting the REALITY (not "unlikeliness") that, um, some people are gay. If you can accept the unlikeliness of a dude turning to ice, with a little work you can probably accept the unlikeliness of a dude turning to other dudes.

The talking point is the fact this character has been well established for 50+ years. As vaillant said, it's poor storytelling. Develop a new character.

 

No, the character's been revised a million ways over 50 years. And every few years the writers re-examine these characters for the times in which they're NOW being written. Do you really want Bobby written as if this were still the early '60s? No. Except when it comes to his sexuality. Wonder why that is.

Cheap shot. Give it a rest.

 

Moot point, with Revat's clarification. But, there are certain things about people that don't change. I believe sexual orientation to be one of them. I believe gay people are aware of their orientation from the get go (can any of the gay board members chime in).

 

Not a cheap shot. Genuine curiosity. If your explanation is that "certain things" don't change (which, btw, no basis in reality) then tell us all the other things you've objected to equally when they changed over the past decades. And if it's just homosexuality you have a problem with a writer changing, maybe you should wonder why, too.

Oh. OK. You've misread my position.

In general, I object to the types of stories that are inconsistent with established character or storylines. In fact, the ones I've objected most to are in the Spider-Man universe. Stories like 'Sins of the Past' or the cocoon story, where Spidey emerged with spikes that come out of his wrists, are an absolute joke. Those, I actually object to more.

The fact that this story is about the 16 year old Bobby, is somewhat consistent, as dane described earlier.