500Club

I don't think the coming out story is so far-fetched from reality (time traveling man who controls ice aside).

It's not. That's the 16 year old Bobby Drake. In isolation, it would probably be a very accurate portrayal of life events and personal discovery.

But, if he's the same character as the Bobby Drake who we've followed for 50 years (and he is), there's some awkward retrofitting here still.

His EXISTENCE as a gay person is reflecting the REALITY (not "unlikeliness") that, um, some people are gay. If you can accept the unlikeliness of a dude turning to ice, with a little work you can probably accept the unlikeliness of a dude turning to other dudes.

The talking point is the fact this character has been well established for 50+ years. As vaillant said, it's poor storytelling. Develop a new character.

 

No, the character's been revised a million ways over 50 years. And every few years the writers re-examine these characters for the times in which they're NOW being written. Do you really want Bobby written as if this were still the early '60s? No. Except when it comes to his sexuality. Wonder why that is.

Cheap shot. Give it a rest.

Moot point, with Revat's clarification. But, there are certain things about people that don't change. I believe sexual orientation to be one of them. I believe gay people are aware of their orientation from the get go (can any of the gay board members chime in).

His EXISTENCE as a gay person is reflecting the REALITY (not "unlikeliness") that, um, some people are gay. If you can accept the unlikeliness of a dude turning to ice, with a little work you can probably accept the unlikeliness of a dude turning to other dudes.

The talking point is the fact this character has been well established for 50+ years. As vaillant said, it's poor storytelling. Develop a new character.

 

for those who haven't read it. Its not the Iceman you grew up with who is being outted.

 

Its the teenage Iceman who time-traveled to the present day from his teenage past. I don't think its so unreasonable to think that there were many teenagers in the 60's who if they were teens today would be more likely to accept themselves as gay and live gay lives, but because of tradition and societal pressures of the 60's did not do so.

Interesting. Point taken. I read the first three issues of All-New XMen, then bailed, so I am, indeed, a lapsed reader. My knee jerk reaction is toward what looked like more cheap cliffhanger storytelling.

I agree with your points, and am curious to see how they handle the non time-travelling Iceman.

PS Are the X books any good? I've not really liked them for years.

His EXISTENCE as a gay person is reflecting the REALITY (not "unlikeliness") that, um, some people are gay. If you can accept the unlikeliness of a dude turning to ice, with a little work you can probably accept the unlikeliness of a dude turning to other dudes.

The talking point is the fact this character has been well established for 50+ years. As vaillant said, it's poor storytelling. Develop a new character.

Apparently Iceman will come out of the closet, or be dragged out by Jean Grey in All-New X-Men #40.

 

http://io9.com/one-of-the-original-x-men-has-come-out-as-gay-1699181445?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

This is why I get less Marvel books and soon will not be picking up any new issues. Diversity for the sake of diversity for the sake of saying hey look we are all championing diversity is incredibly fake. WTG Marvel.

 

So the lack of diversity for forty-plus years was what, real?

I think he's saying they're forcing it, rather than doing what Archie Comics did, which was to introduce a gay character.

I am going to take my 9.8 and price it at $2500, or maybe even $3000, this weekend at the Calgary Expo. It will be interesting to see if there are any serious buyers at that price.

 

Interesting?I think not.

 

I can crystal ball that for you....you price the book at $500 or a $1000 more of the highest recorded sale for BA 12 in 9.8 and......it won't sell.

 

I'd also be inclined to think that if someone sees a yellow post-it that reads "$2500" or more on a BA 12, you will drive away potential customers who would assume that the rest of your prices are also well above current norms.

Two things... that's $Cdn, and how are those 9.9s coming along? Care to post your results?

I enjoyed the first arc. Thought it was solid, but not groundbreaking. Just a fun read.

+1

You people are trying to instill LOGIC in the hobby of speculating on comics.

 

Maybe it's just fun to speculate on stuff

(thumbs u

Just take the middle ground, and like Larry says, don't spend your medication or mortgage money.

This is a AF variant from a 3rd party. Marvel is going to release a Boba AF variant as well. Why wouldnt they release one of arguably their 2nd best character?

 

I cannot tell if it is anger that has blinded you, but marvel is selling only 5000 copies of this variant, through the outlets that are posted. There will be no more AF variant Boba Fett. And since his site is sold out, better get to C2E2 to get yours. Or you can buy one of mine for $100.

 

Don't bet on it. Or... do bet on it.

Because surely Marvel wouldn't do a Boba Fett AF variant for an upcoming SW issue. Surely they'll let this be the only AF cover of the cash cow Boba Fett, and settle for a miniscule profit on 5000 books. Because Marvel would never milk an idea...

How many did you try to order.

They were $7.99 when I ordered mine.

 

This is my only complaint with DCBS. If you order early in the month, you need to check back later in the month because they sometimes add new comics! Seriously. The action figure variant for #4 was not available at the beginning of February (my order was placed on February 5th.) By the time I found out about the variant, the February orders were closed and I sent them email. They said the action figure variant for #4 was not available, but they added the variant for #5 to my order (it also wasn't in their listing for March when I placed my order; same problem as my order was placed on March 4th.) I ordered the Chewbacca action figure cover from another online dealer instead.

 

So, if you are like me and like to order from DCBS within the first few days that they list, you need to be aware that they will update the listing as the month goes on. For example, many of the discounted comics (back issues) are not listed early in the month, but later in the month. Just a heads up!

 

I'm not sure 100% but I think there was a certain requirement in order to get any of these Action Figure Variants. Something like "order 150% of Secret Wars #5 in order to receive these". Something like that....

I think the book in this case was Original Sin 8.

This is indeed Marvel's formula. You need to hit a certain order match to unlock the incentive variant ordering..

BIG HEADS UP! Just got an email from John Tyler Christopher's Art Rep. Star Wars #4 Action Figure Variant, Limited to 5000 and only sold on his website -BOBA FETT!!!

 

Star Wars #4 - Boba Fett Variant - Limited to 5000

 

 

I already pre ordered these on DCBS. How is it only sold on his website??

I'm surprised at this. I'd expect Marvel to have kept Boba Fett as a regular issue incentive variant, to boost sales.

Wytches, Manifest Destiny, Sixth Gun, Nowhere Men, Black Beetle, Spider-Gwen... the market spoke loud and clear

If you're into the combo pack thing for a fast pump and dump, more power to you, but if you expect them to sustain any value long term, or even mid term, you will be left holding the bagged.

 

Aren't there some comics that got hot and stayed hot too? I'm not saying this will be one of them, but certainly some do. And this is somewhat different because it's a key mainstream title with widespread popularity across demographics. Again I'm not saying that's good or bad, just that there might be more apt and or balanced comparison to make

Yeah, this book (Batman 35) and storyline does have merit, especially as a Joker story with origin elements. There are better examples of meritless hype. That having been said, the Batman 35 combo pack didn't jump from $10 to $40 in a week based on organic demand.

At present, if you listen and buy every time the market 'speaks', you will end up with long boxes full of books that you bought at peak hype. Some discretion is warranted.

Looks like larry is still butthurt for getting banned from cbsi, at least thats how you come across at times.

 

The market has spoken, they love the current end game arc. Issue 35 starts end game and is also a new origin of the Joker, look at suicide squad 6/7 new harley origin, those two are still selling over cover. Bats 35 will sell too, the thing i dont understand ia why the 1 in 25 or la mole covers havent picked up heat. Bats 35 combo is selling for a reason, if the print run was huge as larry claims it is, it wouldnt be selling for over $10. How many have you guys found out in the wild, curious.

batman annual 1, mr freeze origin also sells for over cover, green arrow 0 also sells over cover, see the trend? People like origin issues.

 

The market hasn't "spoken", some people are just born suckers. See what the market has to say about the combo packs in a year, or even 6 months. Then you can crow all you want

I agree.

The market has 'spoken' a great deal lately, but a lot of it has been the equivalent of Tourette's syndrome - sudden, loud, unsustained verbal outbursts.

I have gotten $25 for copies of Legends # 3 in VG/FN and $30 for Legends 1 in FN/VF, at shows in the past month.

 

Okay, I haven't been in the forums for a while, but what.....?

 

I bought a whole bunch of those from the junk bins just because I like Byrne and they were dirt cheap, so now you're saying I'm sitting on a goldmine?

Yup. Driven by the upcoming Suicide Squad movie.

Wasn't this book a pick back in your comicinvestor days, Vince?

this Alex guy has ruined my collection.

 

Heres an autograph circa 2013

 

 

That's easy. Just change your first name to Alex.

His name IS Alex.

It's the illegible scribbling after 'Alex' that has damaged the book.

Does something special happen in Darth Vader #3? ....

 

They introduce the 2000th new character in a Star Wars comic?

If this character enters movie canon, I'm interested!

If not... not as interested.

According to Whedon, there will be surprise Marvel characters in Avengers 2.

Get ready, because whoever they may be, their books will explode once leaked.

 

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/5-surprise-heroes-for-avengers-age-of-ultron

 

Watch eBay get hoovered clean after the midnight movie showings.

I sure do wish this thread was actually about comics that are heating up on eBay......

If you want to read one or two posts a week in this thread, sure, that'd be great.

You already got fed this week's hot faux-death of a turtle.

But nah, its all sunshine and rainbows. The idea that the television show could become Terra Nova 2.0 (if it even gets made) and that you find yourself at the bottom of the cliff with the Sixth Gun "collectors" is unthinkable.

(thumbs u

 

Why is it that posts like this, that embrace caution, common sense, and reason, seem to be frowned upon by some people?

 

Because of... money!

 

I appreciate the balance. If all this thread consisted of was one comic book being hyped after another with no dissenting opinion, then that would be doing the community a great disservice IMHO.

It was sort of a rhetorical question, but, yeah, to expand on your post, if all we had was cheerleaders, perspectives and bank accounts would be quickly lost. (thumbs u

But nah, its all sunshine and rainbows. The idea that the television show could become Terra Nova 2.0 (if it even gets made) and that you find yourself at the bottom of the cliff with the Sixth Gun "collectors" is unthinkable.

(thumbs u

Why is it that posts like this, that embrace caution, common sense, and reason, seem to be frowned upon by some people?

I'm finished with my negativity, so no need to PM me telling me to stop, .

 

The majority of the board has made their point, and now we can only sit back and see how it goes.

(thumbs u

For my part, I'm just going to keep buying and reading, and trying to help with word of mouth.

Well its been over 60 hrs and TMNT 44 still selling like hot cakes.

 

 

Wheres that dude that said this was a 24 hour pump and dump?

Yeah, I'm sure he meant that literally...

- I was presented with pretty compelling sales data that suggests we've got a very real challenge on our hands to grow readership starting the second arc at #7 as opposed to #1. Even with the show announcement and trade sales being decent we need to grow.

 

- Diamond also offered some good promotional support/outreach to retailers on behalf of Enormous if we were to go with the #1.

Let's look at these comments:

It's true, you DO have a very real challenge to grow readership at issue 7 vs issue 1. BUT, frankly, aside from the '1' on the cover, nothing is different. By starting again at 1, you're hoping for a sales spike due to the numbering only. You may not get that spike. Collectors aren't dumb - they aren't going to buy a '1' that really isn't a '1'. You want to grow readership, you do it like Kirkman did - by plowing forward with consistency and quality.

You want compelling sales data, ask for the numbers on 'Luthor Strode' or 'Jake Ellis'.

Also, that was very kind of Diamond to offer that support. Did they offer similar support for Vol 3 #1? How about Vol 4? 5? ... I'm not sure Diamond is offering impartial advice here. I think they'd prefer to try to milk a number 1 sales boost.

 

After several phone calls to diamond this morning and getting bounced around to numerous different employees, finally getting through to the right person, and then waiting to be called back by that person who needed to talk to a different person, I have the answers:

 

YES, the sales figures reported by diamond does include the variants.

 

NO, they do not disclose the print runs of the individual variants.

 

NO, they do not report international sales figures.

Thank you. I was dreading having to listen to the elevator music myself as I tried the same thing.

Larry, 500club, bababooey (and particularly) Chuck, et al are correct about that. (And so is the boardie who claimed there are only 500 copies of the Hughes variant, though he is still very wrong about that ).

 

Apologies to the gang for arguing so snarkily at times my INCORRECT position on variant disclosure..

Apology accepted.

HOWEVER......based on the totality of the information and other comparable variants, I stand by my estimation of a 2500+ print run for the Hughes.

 

-J.

I'll try to run the numbers here later, but we'll need to use a lot of guesstimates.

I have clicked a couple links to that recalled comics site and while some of their estimates seem accurate, they are still just an aftermarket speculator site.

 

I respect your opinion, but it is actually a specialty site and resource tool for variant hunters and the like. And for my money I put far more weight on the educated estimates of a guy with no skin in the game, who has run a FREE site for the better part of a decade, dedicated to analyzing and calculating the exact type of data at issue here, solely for the service of other fans and out of love for the hobby, than on the carnival barks of a couple of guys with books to sell. (thumbs u

 

-J.

I was trying to get clarity on the source information & trying to relate that public data to the experiences, assumptions and assertions that were shared in this thread.

I came to my own conclusion & posted it as clearly as I could so others could understand MY opinion - this discussion has come up before right, so rather than be dodgy about sharing my opinion, I posted it. If others disagreed with it, they could challenge or correct me & that's fine since I also made assumptions.

 

Also, I'm not sure if I'd characterize that site as having NO skin in the game if they offer books for sale about us linky

eMail Us

Also I do have a small collection of recalled and error comics - if you are interested in purchasing, please use the link above.

 

I don't care much for errors or rare variants as an area of collecting focus anyways, I have some of both but I don't actively seek out either and wouldn't spend real money on any of them.

 

Having a "small collection" of unspecified books in a personal collection potentially for sale (and/or for trade I would imagine) is hardly a harbinger of bias or lack of objectivity. Especially considering the sheer breadth and amounts of books featured on the site. If the guy linked to his personal ebay store instead of all general ebay listings on each book's page you would have a point. But to term his small footnote at the bottom of his page referencing his small collection a "skin in the game" is a bit disingenuous IMO.

 

-J.

You're kidding, right? You can freely accuse us of arguing for the sake of pimping a book, but there's no way this guy is doing that?

BTW, for clarity, I own NO copies of this book, and personally think it's a bad buy right now. These variants are forgotten for the most part as soon as the next hot book shows up.