Coverdeath

On 9/15/2024 at 5:21 PM, shadroch said:

Some think trimming around the missing piece somehow makes the book a plod instead of just missing the chunk.  Why not rip the book around the trimmed part and then let it organically fall off? It will look worse but perhaps it will pass their purity test.

It's a 1.0-1.8 book.  At that price, label colors aren't very important. 

It s what I told since the beginning but some have an hard head here.

Anyway the book will be in my possession forever now so it doesn't count anymore.

On 9/15/2024 at 4:33 PM, zzutak said:

A thread begun solely for the purpose of antagonizing other board members.  100% inappropriate and unwarranted.  Since you apparently cannot voluntarily step away from the Boards to allow for a period of quiet personal reflection, it may be time for @CGC Mike to bless you with a 3- or 6-month time-out.  Get help. 

You do not need to be so aggressive, anyway as I said in the other thread I will take my distance of these forums and only stay on contact with few relation in PM. 

Today was the last day you see me posting trough the forums. 

Yes I know what they are gonna saying... see you tommorow   

NO, 0 chance, i leave.

Jeremy

On 7/9/2024 at 3:44 AM, Hepcat said:

My first exposure to comics was in the comic section of the Saturday London Free Press in the late 1950's. The Uncle Remus and his Tales of Brer Rabbit strip was my early favourite:

I'm still a fan of the Uncle Remus characters after all these years and I have dozens of copies of the strip in my collection today. I even have a custom stained glass window with Brer Fox in my collectibles room:

The first comic books I can remember reading in the spring and summer of 1959 featured Felix's Nephews Inky & Dinky. I recall my buddy Phil and I from across the street thought that Dinky was a very cool name! They were of course rather beat up and I have no clue as to the actual issue(s) but here's one from my collection today:

The first comics I can recall buying were the Cicero's Cat 1 and 2 in the summer of 1959. I bought them at Ken's Variety on Wharncliffe Road in London, Ontario and I very clearly remember my father initially telling me to take #2 back because he thought I already had a copy!

1

2

Though I was already familiar with Superman and Batman comics from the barber shop or wherever, the first superhero comics I distinctly remember reading were the Adventures of the Fly in early 1961. I remember reading them at Lamont & Perkins drugstore a block away on Wortley Road before they chased me out, at which point I'd head for Tyler & Zettel's pharmacy a few blocks away. I believe they only stocked Archie, Dell and Classics Illustrated comics in these drug stores which is why the Fly was the first superhero to catch my attention. I'm not absolutely sure which issue of the Adventures of the Fly first captured my attention but it may have been #12:

Bethlehem copy

In any event, I very clearly remember seeing these ads in Adventures of the Fly 13 heralding the introduction of Fly Girl and the Jaguar:

I also read through the Adventures of the Jaguar 1 when it first hit the newsstand:

It included this dandy ad for the mysterious Fly Girl:

A copy of Space Adventures belonging to the older brother of my buddy Paul featuring the powerful Captain Atom further whetted my appetite for the pajama brigade.

 

The memory of these pages featuring a Nikita Khrushchev like character has never left me:

The first DC superhero comic I can specifically remember reading was Green Lantern 11 in the spring of 1962 which a buddy on a farm near Mount Brydges just outside of London had. 

I still remember how it filled me with a sense of awe and wonder at the time. A copy of Justice League of America 8 that I read at a Lithuanian kids' summer camp a couple of months later that same year clinched the deal:

When I got home from camp, I marched right down to Les' Variety on the corner to check out the comics on the spinner rack. The first superhero comic I bought was Justice League 14:

The other superhero comics I bought off the spinner rack at Les' Variety as part of that first batch included Detective Comics 307 and Batman 150:

A Superboy or a World's Finest Comics plus Adventures of the Jaguar 8 were also part of that first batch:

But they swiftly ended up in the trash when my older sister convinced my mother that comics would surely corrupt me. And of course she was right. They have!

But my appetite for more comics had already been whetted by DC house ads such as these (although I'm no longer entirely sure where or when I first saw them):

Within a year I was back to seriously accumulating comics again and here I am today!

Thanks you are always of a great contributions on the SA threads but I never known much more about the man behind this amazing collection, I didn't realized you where from UK, and I never known too that your now in Canada 

On 9/15/2024 at 12:46 PM, KCOComics said:

I'm sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intention.    There can be a big learning curve with the hobby and I was hoping to educate. 

I also don't believe your being targeted.  If anything @Semicentennial was just looking out for other collectors. 

If someone bought that book and got it graded, they would have been pretty upset to get a purple label. 

That's part of why I buy a lot of comics here. The community looks out for one another. 

Please don't rip the book further. CGC has been at this for a long time and they know the tricks. You'll just be hurting the book further for no reason. 

I've said all I have to say on this topic and I won't pile on. 

Good luck. 

 

Too late 

And anyway now it have no importance anymore because I finally have this book look nice to me and I will keep it forever, as the title of the issue say... A world of no return!

Watch out!

I hope you like trimming!

@Démon Floridien

What about Ratchet and Clank? 

@KCOComics

Your last advice on the sale thread had absolutely no sense, you told me to describe my book as restored and more of that told me the price I have to put on it?

As I said many times I could simply torn the corner and the book will be back in the blue label, this is a non sense.

Im really deceived by how the people are thinking, acting, buying, in this hobby. 

I will stay far from it and never use these forums again to sell a book and I also hope to never have to sell a book.

Anyway i buy only what I like so it will be no reason to have to sell.

I will also take distance from these forums except few relations in pm.

I like to have different opinions and comparate them to others but certainly to be targeted as I am now!

On 9/14/2024 at 8:43 PM, zzutak said:

Irrelevant.

PGM graders do their best to give you an honest assessment of numerical grade (based on the description and images provided).  That being said, hidden defects (like replaced staples, a detached centerfold, or a married or missing interior page) or undisclosed restoration (such as color touch, a tear seal, or trimming) will affect the eventual CGC grade category (Universal, Qualified, Restored, etc).  I would argue that grade category generally has a much greater affect on value than a one- or two-increment change in numerical grade. 

Again this is ridiculous, you just have to torn it with your fingers of a insignificant inch and the book will change of category again! What do you want from me that I damage it more than what is it already!?

On 9/14/2024 at 8:31 PM, Semicentennial said:

As another member mentioned in your sales thread, there is a difference between the piece falling off itself vs. someone taking a pair of scissors to the to the book.  A piece falling off on it's own is considered a defect and natural.  Someone snipping off a piece is trying to remove the defect to improve the appearance of the book which is not good.  

I wanted to improve it to my eyes and my eyes only, I always knew that it will look worse for everyone else, but for me it was better. At the time I did it I never planned to sell the book and now that I'm selling it people tell me that it's a technique to improve the book...

On 9/14/2024 at 8:08 PM, zzutak said:

Quoted for posterity.  Trimming = no bueno, muy malo. 

No bueno, muy malo... it was not the question here!

So all the forum is now putting the target on me because I cutted the top corner of the cover myself, what in the hell is different that if it was fall by itself or anything else...?

I think that some have me on their black list. 

How it count for the people who already replied to my thread?

@JollyComics

@vheflin

@Grendelbo

@scburdet

On 9/14/2024 at 7:46 PM, zzutak said:

The front cover photo you shared here upon purchase is shown below.

• How did the irregularly shaped missing piece at the top-right corner become triangular?
• Were you the person who cut off the outside/unbound bottom corner of the referenced interior pages?
• You appear to know that scissors or a cutting blade was used on at least three of the back cover chips.  Don't you feel that non-organic (not naturally-occurring) "work" like this should be disclosed in your very first post above?
• Are there any other "improvements" to this book that you were made aware of by the person who sold you this book or that you yourself performed? 

Board sellers are obligated to clearly and completely disclose any non-organic "work" done to any book being sold here.

This is just a non sense to me... there is just no world where i tought to have to specify how the corner of a book have disappeared, it's not like if had added some material to the book... its literally the contrary and it would be just considered as a supplementary deffect for 99% of the population... but I guess the comics book collector are made different. 

On 9/14/2024 at 7:41 PM, Semicentennial said:

This and the top right corner.

There is nothing with the bottom corner of the cover

On 9/14/2024 at 6:05 PM, Ryan. said:

Was the bottom right of the front cover trimmed?

Not again please 

I was thinking to send it to MCS, i know they are rude in grading.

So make it me feared a bit. 

But I m really a bad grader, I tought it stay nothing of my book but in definitive 1.8 would be nice.

On 9/14/2024 at 5:07 PM, zzutak said:

For what it's worth, I don't believe the edge chips on the back cover are purely "organic" (having developed as a result of rough but "normal" handling/wear).  I've never seen "naturally-occurring" chips with edges this straight.  I'm 99% certain either scissors or a cutting blade was used here. 

Obviously pal. 

On 9/14/2024 at 2:21 PM, KCOComics said:

Tape isn't resto and doesn't get a purple label. 

Trimming,  done by people of any age is trimming and gets a purple label. 

A 10 year old doodling on the cover isn't resto.  A 10 year old carefully cutting the edges to improve the appearance is trimming.  

I know your pretty new to the hobby and I'm really not trying to give you a hard time.  I like your threads and appreciate your questions. 

This is an area of the hobby where there really isn't a gray area. If you alter a book by cutting the edge, it's trimming. It will hopefully be spotted by cgc and identified as such. 

Well you just have to rip it of an inch more with your fingers and it wouldn't be restored anymore 

On 9/14/2024 at 11:56 AM, KCOComics said:

There were no added pieces. There was tape to reenforce the cover. 

Trimming would always be noticed and called out with a purple label designation if cgc graded it. 

It's pretty cut and dry. 

So you r gonna tell me the fact that a little kid cut the corners of his book because he like relief is considered as restoration? This is an absolute non sense.

For me you get the label because of the tape.

On 9/14/2024 at 11:13 AM, KCOComics said:

Here is a book I bought trimmed. You can see just that tiny little corner was trimmed. 

When I had it graded,  it came back trimmed, as I expected it would.  

It was disclosed before I bought it and actually caught by folks on the boards with eagle eyes, so everyone was up front. 

Would it be noticed if the added piece wasn't here? 

I mean I think when we talk about "trimmed book" it have to directly affect the size of the page or the cover, what is not the case here. 

But I could be wrong.

On 9/14/2024 at 11:00 AM, KCOComics said:

Trimming is the act of cutting the edges of the comic book in order to improve its appearance, which sounds like is exactly what you did here. 

In comic collecting it's very frowned upon. The general reason it's treated more harshly than color tough, is because you can't "untrim" a book. Those pieces are gone forever (though some have dabbled in techniques to "untrim" - it still forever alters the original state of the comic). 

Long story short, I wouldn't recommend doing it going forward and if you have done it with other comics or interiors you should disclose it.  

Well usually when I see it, it's a full length pach which have the edge cutted, but here is different is the corner, when I see some similar books to mine on ebay is rather listed as "missing piece" "missing corner" but not trimmed.

I pictured the cover and the book apart to see better.

The spine split is probably 1/3 of the length or even a bit more...

Corners cutted from page 9 to 18 but it's not affect panels or text so I guess it change nothing. 

On 9/13/2024 at 10:19 PM, Semicentennial said:

Thanks for disclosing the book has been trimmed.  I wasn't sure if the corner got folded over or not.  

Sorry I was not really sure of the term of "trimmed" because I often see the term used in restoration process.

On 9/14/2024 at 1:26 AM, Sigur Ros said:

I really feel bad for ya brother. I realize there is a serious language barrier and I would assume others know this too by now. I don't think you're accusing anyone of foul play and you made that quite clear. I don't know the seller, nor do I care, but if anyone claims his messages weren't confusing they're just wrong. For him to claim an item was relisted as BIN when it wasn't, only to see a number of bids on the auction once you found it, I understand was frustrating. But, it looks like he's a pretty busy guy so I'm guessing there was just some confusion on his end when he answered. Innocent and harmless in the long run. 

Pretty sure you know he wasn't trying to scam you, just poor communication.  I think maybe the approach in the opening statements in your posts could be toned down a little. I know you ran into this in the other forum too.

You've previously mentioned some struggles in your life and you're also pretty new to the comic collecting community, so maybe others just can't see past the language. Would be nice if they could.

I'm rooting for you. I hope online forums don't ruin this for ya.

The best comment here, I always appreciated the quality of your messages and your comprehensive attitude, thank you man.