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CSG is super tough on surfaces anyways... Even new cards that are cardstock rarely get a 10.. Are you wiping the card down with micro cloth to make sure you didn't leave finger print? I know I had one card came back, that I saw a smudge on.. so they dinged me... I am like you, I like coating on, but I am guessing they grade the coating down too.... Looking at PSA 10's with coating there are a bunch of them.. wish we had a pop report and you could see really quick how many 10s CSG has done with coating on... but I do agree, the Manning has some peeling on that one...

On 8/21/2021 at 4:26 PM, Pierd said:

Also what would happen to the card and tier if it gets graded an 8 falling to about a worthiness of 100 dollars.Am I charged the 12 dollars for grading or am I charged 125 dollars from the walk thru tier with cards of a maximum value of 10,000 dollars per card?

Whatever you claim value as is the tier you pay for.. I have paid for $999 walk through, got an 8 and card sold for $199... they still charged me full amount on walk through...  I look at tiers as how quick I want card back.... but that still doesn't matter... I have an EX order there now that they have lost box on, and it has been then now since May 20th... so take it with strong grain of sand.... and trust me, I have grade so many there now, a 10 IS SUPER HARD to get... always think 2 grades down... if you think it is a 10, expect an 8, and be happy when you get a 9..

On 8/21/2021 at 3:59 PM, Lerxst said:

i know someone looking for his keys whos gonna get triggered by your post lmao

No cause I blocked him... unless he has 2 accounts, which wouldn't shock me... LOL!

Anyone know if CSG works on Sat? With as many packages they have to sort, and get mailed I sure hope so. Let's get thee paid orders out to people, and also find some of these lost boxes. Maybe even grade a few cards... Surely as big as company as they are they are going 6 days a week?? just curious. 

Which one works best?? Sigh... heck, I think America Online might be faster and better than new form... sigh... 

Current status of CSG site.... I think they are using dial-up or Windows '97 with new system. Sigh. $20,000 plus in subs at their place, can't see orders, still have a box lost from 4 weeks ago. No return emails. I am in so deep with these guys, over 30 submissions... but I am not sending anymore to them, not until these things get fixed. I really, really wanted to love CSG, but this ain't cutting it. It's already hard enough to swallow the losses on the resell side, but now all this other stuff.. Paid for a submission 2 days, nothing moved over to shipping. Called accounting today, they had to send another email to update to have cards released from "safe", no updates... this is super frustrating.... but I am locked in... have 2500 + cards at CSG now, waiting to be graded.... sigh.

On 8/20/2021 at 9:49 PM, magiconlineshop said:

Considering they have had them for several months, it would be nice to be able to compare what i sent in (on the pdf) to what they now have entered in their system to be graded.  There has already been differences from my saved printouts to what was entered by them on cgc site for some card attributes, variations, etc.   I sent alot of inserts and parallel type stuff, just want to know that it all made it to the system correctly and if anything was changed because I may have mistakenly been wrong on my own card

Yes, you are thinking 100% logical! Should be just like PSA, we should be able to see all the cards we subbed to them. This is rocket science... 

BTW- best you thing you can do is block the numbnuts who responded on your post, he is a clown show. 

Best thing about this thread, I figured out how to ignore  N1seen..... THIS IS FANTASTIC thread for me!! 

On 8/19/2021 at 4:42 PM, ne1seenmykeys said:

Just bc you say something is one thing or another, or not, doesn't make it so. A private company like eBay gets to set their own rules as long as they are within the law. If they say people putting "BGS 9.5 = PSA 10" is keyword spamming on their site you don't get to come along and say, "No it's not!!" 

And listen, we're not purposefully ignorant here, like you and your KBust buddy that are constantly complaining about CSG/eBay/PSA/whatever the flavor of the day/week for you it is. By putting "BGS 9.5 = PSA 10" you are *absolutely* keyword spamming bc you and everyone else knows that a cr*pload of people are going to search for "__insert card here__ PSA 10" and if you have "BGS 9.5 = PSA 10" in your post then that will hit through their algorithm. 

You're keyword spamming and no amount of deflection/projection/excuses will make that change. 


KBust even wrote, "I will tell you, I really has hurt my sales on EBay... Sold 0 CSG last week, and week before the removed my posts I did over $1,000... people are not looking for "CSG" in listing... " so this blatantly is explaining why you are putting "CGS 9.5/BGS 9.5 = PSA 10." You KNOW that without the PSA 10 not as many people ill search for it so you are pruposefully manipulating the keyword searches. 

Like 5+ people have explained this to you and you both are still in here like "Durrr DurrrRR ItS nOt MaNiPuLaTiOn!!!!" 

Does this site not have a BLOCK feature?? Cause I would 100% Block ne1seenmykeys... His posts always suck...  Just a terrible individual and adds 0 to these posts.

Hey, N1sucks, didn't I tell you I never wanted you to respond to any of my posts again?? Seriously, slow down the stalking.... NO ONE, especially me cares about your weak opinion. 

On 8/19/2021 at 8:21 AM, Bryan Whiting said:

Noone is confused about what you're trying to say. It's simply inaccurate. As mentioned above, including this in the description is one thing. Having it in the title is keyword manipulation. It's not being creative as you think it is, it's being misleading and in effect spamming your listing. 

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Whatever you say.  You do you boo. 

On 8/18/2021 at 5:44 PM, LAgambit said:

Understand your reasoning, however "BGS 9.5 = PSA 10" is just plain false. They are two different companies with 2 different grading scales. 

That I agree with 100%, everyone of these companies have different grading scales. Personally, I think CSG is hardest. 

On 8/18/2021 at 5:40 PM, Duncan78 said:

I'm guessing you work for eBay or PSA.

No, I don't. But I ask alot of questions, and have been doing this for 30+ yrs, plus been in lots of different sales. 

Why would you think that? Do you work for CSG? I don't work for any of them, as a customer they should work for me. It's how business works.. 

On 8/18/2021 at 5:20 PM, iam12fear said:

A listing title should not be thought of as an advertisement, because it has to be searched for. Putting something in the title that the item is not is keyword spamming plain and simple. Using your logic of something being 100% true so it should go in the title, I should then be able to put "not Mike Trout" in the title of all my listings.

Things like "Buy CSG 9.5 and save over a PSA 9" should go in the description and not the title.

We will agree to disagree. Thanks! 

Last thing on this, I was told I could 100A% relist the cards they pulled, just couldn't use PSA/BGS etc in title... so there is that... all good. Really surprised this conversation is still going on... LOL! People have lots of free time. 

On 8/17/2021 at 11:11 PM, dictoresno said:

its as simple as you keyword spammed. ive seen it alot lately where ebay is pulling auctions with the usual "PSA 10??" spammers selling BGS cards. dont put PSA in your title, if its a CSG slab. 

Well, I agree with the "PSA 10?" in title... I hate those too.. I get it... BUT 100% disagree with not being able to use comparison advertising... It's basic 101 advertising.. every store in world does it, allows it... Amazon allows it... your local grocery store allows it... heck, even Ebay allows it, on certain items,..  I have both shipping boxes, and  Ebay suggests cheaper knockoff style boxes... guess what, I bought cheaper boxes... People want value and deals....   "Buy CSG 9.5 and save over a PSA 9", that is not false, is not misleading.. 100% true.  But, it's ebays world, they own the platform, so it is what it is....  Here is perfect example-- what does Tylenol have to do with CVS brand of aspirin??

" Cvs, don't put Tylenol on box if it isn't Tylenol"..   Please let me know how that goes... LOL!  Smh... so let's try again... 

Just say the truth, "I get upset when I try to search PSA cards and some put CSG in title. I want it my way"... and Ebay said, "Okay, we will cater to you"..  which I am fine with....it's their platform.. 

On 8/18/2021 at 11:54 AM, Bryan Whiting said:

So let's get this straight .. if you aren't keyword spamming, why are you putting PSA 10 in your title? PSA has zero to do with your card. If it's not keyword spamming, I'd love to know the reason you include that. 

The reason I included it is simple  "Buy CSG 9.5, and Save over a PSA 9".. what part of that is false advertising? None.   "Buy CSG 9.5, SAVE Compared to a PSA 9"...  It's basic advertising 101... Millions, and millions of companies do this. Comparison advertising... tell me you understand this concept and have seen it. It is on every shelf, in every store all across the world. Only place I have ever seen anyone say "No, we don't allow comparison advertising" is Ebay..   why? Because people, I am guessing like you, got upset because when the put "PSA 10" in search bar, they got guys like me, who understand comparison advertising, to pop up in their searches... called EBay and complained or just flagged the post as "counterfeit"... Let's be real, that is what happened... You are proving my point, by going on and on about how you think it is keyword spamming.... I get it.. no biggie... It's EBay's platform, I will play by their rules... Doesn't mean I agree with them.. and I get your side too...  All good. 

On 8/16/2021 at 7:11 PM, Duncan78 said:

I had a BGS card done the same way and told it was counterfeit. I thought maybe it was because I had BGS 9.5 = PSA 10. So my brother put it on his account without that wording. eBay permanently and irrevocably suspended his account for activity detrimental to the eBay community. I believe they took it off my account and flagged it as counterfeit due to my wording because they are partnered with PSA but because they took it down and labeled it as counterfeit. It was then permanently flagged as counterfeit and that's why my brother's account was suspended. eBay is now a bunch of corrupt turds just like PSA. I switched to Mercari and it is a way better environment.

yes, that is exactly what happened to mine.. they didn't shut down my account, but they deleted all the posts.. I had a rep actually me back, and explained why they were removed, and they said no further action against my account due to lenght I have been with Ebay, my rating, and volume I do.. so I just moved on.. I will tell you, I really has hurt my sales on EBay... Sold 0 CSG last week, and week before the removed my posts I did over $1,000... people are not looking for "CSG" in listing... 

On 8/12/2021 at 10:48 AM, Steven M Volden said:

That should tell you something about PSA. The corner has cardboard fingerlings coming off of it and it still gets a 10. PSA gives a 10, even if a card has 60/40 centering.

I agree.. can't argue with that. 

On 8/12/2021 at 9:52 PM, ne1seenmykeys said:

That’s just not true, sorry. 
 

PSA makes up the VAST majority of this business and there was literally no way for CSG, which was JUST getting off the ground, could have anticipated the amount of cards at first. 
 

I will say this - I think they’re making a mistake by continuing to adhere to the “we’ll take as many bulk orders as humanly possible” creed still, but at the same time the people sending in need to make the best educated decision. 
 

I just see a lot of uneducated buyers remorse in here and it just comes off as pathetic to me. 

Like this stupidity.  I only see one thing pathetic.. ^^^^^^^ 

On 8/12/2021 at 9:37 PM, ne1seenmykeys said:

Bro the problem is 100% with YOU. You are actually putting in a master class in projection, bc again, it’s YOU who came in here completely exasperated (look at the title of this post - it’s the most absurd thing I’ve ever seen) that you got an 8 on an old- card from the toughest grading company in the game. 
 

We’re not saying to you we don’t like PSA. We’re saying you need to know the market and you need to know how to best use each grading company. 
 

For me, with CSG’s low price on bulk, I send them a mixed bag of cards I know I want for my PC and will more than likely never sell, modern and ultra modern cards I would have sold raw on eBay and higher priced cards that I want to flip, bc I want to use CSG’s tougher grading scale to see if it’s worth it to send to PSA. 
 

It sounds to me you couldn’t wait for PSA to open back up and sent CSG 2000 cards without really knowing what the deal is 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️.

Bro, (🙄🙄), do people not like to discuss cards?? 

FYI- I know the market, only been doing this 30yrs. I love how guys like you are the all knowing experts. LOL. 

I do this for a living, and did very well last year. 

So, it sounds like to me you don't know what you are talking about. I really don't need your advice.  This post was just to stir some conversation. I enjoy chatting with most people. I don't know what it is about CSG die-hards, but it's like a crazy cult that you can't say anything about CSG or they loose their bowels. 

Most absurd thing you have ever seen?? Lol!! 

You guys act like it is impossible btw to get a high grade at CSG on anything non-modern. I am sure they, CSG, loves that advertising.  Why would anyone send them anything non-modern?  

Maybe I sent CSG 2000 cards cause I ran my business so well, that cash isn't an issue. And I know I can sell them. 

Let's do this, let's block each other... I have never interacted with you on your drivel nonsense posts on here, yes, I have seen them, but just scrolled past the stupidity..

We're done here. Didn't ask for your "expertise" in first place. See ya. 

On 8/12/2021 at 9:31 PM, ne1seenmykeys said:

Legit not trying to puke on here but it’s all on you for not knowing that PSA is *by far* the easier grade, esp on older cards. 
 

CSG’s initial scanning system is 100% AI, so there is no bias whatsoever. The machine isn’t going to mess up. If it says you got 8 or 8.5 corners then you just didn’t look at them properly 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Don’t send old cards to CSG unless they are solely for your PC. If you want to make money off older cards you gotta send to PSA 

No joke. I have 3000 at PSA too. I picked these up after shutdown. I was not gonna pay $300 a pop. Why would you puke? Also, probably have graded more cards than you, so kinda know what I am looking for. Thank you for your opinion.  And yes, the AI can mess up. Also, they have some human grading as well. 

Smh...

You killed it... that many 10;s in 114 card order might be all-time record. If there was a pop report, you probably have some POP 1's.

On 8/12/2021 at 10:58 AM, PunsRTonsOfFun said:

This. I don't understand why people on this forum constantly compare CSG to PSA. By now, everyone in the hobby should realize and understand CSG is much tougher and has much higher grading standards compared to PSA. PSA's lax grading standards is one of the main reasons they're so popular and yet people continue to overpay for PSA cards. PSA is for the casuals and flippers.

Because they are what we are used too. Why do guys on this board, and online get so defensive and take every post that is an ounce critical as though they are getting rejected by the love of their life? I really have never seen anything like the CSG diehards/Loyalists that will fight you to the end if you are critical. Obviously, I like CSG, I sent them 2000 cards. BUT NEWSFALSH it is 100% okay to like PSA as well. 

Your comments on here, if someone asks a question, or critques CSG, are always, "Casuals and Flippers", well some of us do this a business. It is 100% okay to question service, and return on investment. 

For the record, PSA does not have LAX standards, I just got a pack fresh pulled Jordan SP1 that got a 5. So, the myth they are easier, etc. Is that, a myth.

I told a guy yesterday,  PSA is a TOYOTA or Lexus... CSG, right now, is a KIA/HYUNDAI... FACT. For the record, I was a Kia General Manager, and I actually know the Kia is a great car, has great features, and even has better features than a TOYOTA. BUT, you aren't gonna get return trade-in value on a KIA like you do a Toyota.  DOES NOT MEAN  people overpay for Toyotas. They buy Toyotas, and pay more cause they know name, and recognize the brand. BUT once they drive, and buy a nice KIA Sonata, they usually come back to Kia, and buy more. Doesn't mean Toyotas instantly suck... why is so hard for guys who like, love CSG, to  figure that out that it applies to PSA too?? PSA doesn't suck, they make more money on resell than CSG. I have had enough cards come back from CSG to see results. Doesn't mean CSG sucks... and it is 100% OKAY for guys to compare... this is a chat board.

Guys like you are probably the reason I was kicked out of 2 CSG online rooms, cause they got their feelings hurt cause I was honest about CSG vs PSA. I personally like both, but I am not an insufficiently_thoughtful_person, or a shareholder in either. And yes, I am just critical on PSA too.   You aren't the all knowing, and the guys in those CSG rooms, they aren't all knowing either.. and neither and I am. I do know sports cards, and the market, and obviously sales.

Also, I have 0 issues with you responding anyway you want to me, I can take it, I am big ole boy. I am just here to chat, and talk about CSG, cards, and yeah, will continue to compare all the companies.. Good, Bad, or Ugly.   IF you aren't in some of those Facebooks, CSG rooms, you should be, they are perfect for your ideology. 

Have  a great day!

On 8/12/2021 at 10:36 AM, LAgambit said:

Hard to tell from the photos your posted  - try taking some at an angle that shows the corners and that are clear. 

Also that centering is an 8. Not sure what grade you were expecting here. 

 

9's...9.5s.. I don't send in anything hoping for an 8.. ever. Been doing this long enough to know what an 8 looks like... esp when I am paying $30+ a pop on these....And I know centering is a nightmare on these..

On 8/12/2021 at 11:22 AM, Beerwolf1694433777 said:

I want to grade Marvel Universe Trading Cards. They don't fall under the sports and can't send through CGC with gaming cards. Can I get a reply as to how to submit these cards for grading or if I can even get them graded. The reason I joined CSG was to grade my marvel universe collection.

Go to EBAY, type in Marvel Cards, CSG graded... if you don't see any graded ones, you have your answer. You can do that with pretty much any cards...  Funny thing, they grade Donruss Marvel NBA cards.. I saw 0 MARVEL cards graded by CSG, but didn't look to hard..