Kortoga

To add to what GeeksAreMyPeeps said. I now know exactly what is in the inside of each of these books because I own the raw copies of each.

These 3 books, (not the metal books) were sold at the NYCC 2023 Ghost Machine booth as exclusives.  The metal covers were put onto these 3 books and then given out at a paid for event hosted by Ghost Machine after hours of the NYCC 2023, at an offsite location, a meet and greet dinner.

1. Junkyard Joe #1 (called the NYCC Exclusive Silver Foil Edition sold for $20 at the NYCC 2023 Ghost Machine booth) (inside cover says Junkyard Joe Bulletproof Edition #1). Contains Junkyard Joe #1 & #2 in one book.

2. Geiger #1 (called the NYCC Exclusive Glow-in-the-Dark edition also sold for $20 at the NYCC 2023 Ghost Machine booth) (inside cover says Geiger #1 Glow-in-the-Dark Edition).

Contains Geiger #1, Volume 1 (2021) (reprint) and includes 8 pages from the 80-page Giant (re-print) telling the story of "Where'd he get barney?" right before the Geiger Las Vegas stories begin.

Kinda bummed that CGC only put "Geiger #1" "virgin cover" "Metal Edition" on the CGCs label I own. This lack of detail only adds to the confusion since we (comic collectors) look to a 3rd party grader to be a confident source of record keeping when grading and sealing a book into the slab.

CGC should have put exactly what the published page says, "Geiger #1 Glow-in-the-dark Edition" and then added something like "Metal Virgin Cover". Now that I know this is NOT just a Geiger #1, should I send this back in to be re-holdered and ask for a new description? OR just live with their laziness and lack of detail.

3. Redcoat #1 (called the NYCC 2023 Exclusive Red Foil edition also sold for $20 at the NYCC 2023 Ghost Machine booth) (inside cover says Redcoat Convention Exclusive #1).

Contains the Redcoat story from the Geiger 80-page Giant (re-print) and 2 page spread as a teaser from Ghost Machine #1 2024.

This should clear up a lot of the confusion and unknown.

In my case, owning the metal versions of these, and in my opinion, CGC should have put onto the labels exactly what was on the publisher page and also added "metal virgin cover", or something to that detail.

I assumed CGC puts the wording from the publisher page onto the label, and this is not the case.  What a bummer.

Thank you GeeksAreMyPeeps. The pictures are great, and really help alot!  I literally just purchased the 3 foil exclusive comics as a raw set so that I can know what is inside the metal editions I own.

Re-visiting this question. But in a slightly different angle.

I own the below metal versions in CGCs and do not have a way to know what is inside each issue besides what CGC put on the slab label. I will start out with what I know first.

These are NYCC exclusives. The metal covers where put onto the 3 comics shown by BCoffee.

1. Junkyard Joe #1 metal cover was put onto the Junkyard Joe Foil version which contains Junkyard Joe #1 & #2 in one book.

2. Geiger #1 metal cover was put onto the version shown by BCoffee, but I do not know what is inside

3. Redcoat #1 metal cover was put onto the version shown by BCoffee, but again, I do not know what is inside. I was told, the comic inside the Redcoat #1 metal cover is the Redcoat story from the 80-page Giant. I have no idea.

Can anyone help to answer items 2 & 3 above? Pictures of the insides would be great. Thank you

On 3/25/2024 at 10:09 PM, thehumantorch said:

I'd like to suggest that we refer to these as wedgies from this point forward...

Raising old scotch glass with a cigar in the other hand, while standing at the head of a long wooden meeting table we are all seated at, on the top floor of some dusting company building.

"HERE HERE! Old Chap! Agreed..."

@The Lions Den, this makes since. I figured this is what was going on. However, the comics look similar in thickness size so it was confusing.

@ThothAmon, I removed the QR code and census # from the picture. The CGCs series do have QR codes.

Very new to owning slabs and noticed the attached difference in 3 slabs I just received.

I highlighted the issue in a red box. What is the reason for 2 of these comics (outer left and right) to have the clear plastic near the spine, but the comic in the middle of this photo does not have this?

What is the clear plastic for? Thanks...

On 3/18/2024 at 9:38 PM, Lightning55 said:

As above, it should say whatever the publisher put in the Indicia on the publication page. It would help if you knew exactly what it says there - maybe someone can fill in that missing factoid.

I agree, I am working on getting this info, thank you

On 3/18/2024 at 3:27 PM, shadroch said:

Is there a separate version of #2?  If not, I don't see any issue with how they do it.  If anyone is misleading people, it's the publisher.

This is a reprint of a 6 book series, each with its own book. This particular exclusive was created, but with #1 and #2 inside. I do not know why. I am sure the publisher has their reasons.

How is the publisher misleading? I don't understand. Unless the process is to read the publication page and print whatever it says.

I do not know what CGC's process is for determining the title of a book. Looking at the inside publication page? I would think this would be a minimum step on virgin covers. Are there other steps taken? This is why I am asking.

However, I do not have a picture of the inside publication page to know how the book was described or titled by the publisher. I bought this pre-slabbed.

Is it possible to get this changed to read Junkyard Joe #1 and #2?

I have a Junkyard Joe #1 Bulletproof Metal Edition, virgin, exclusive, that has Junkyard Joe #1 as the title printed on the CGC label.

However, the interior of the book actually contains Junkyard Joe #1 and #2. What governs what CGC puts as the title on the label?

Having a label of Junkyard Joe #1 is misleading since #2 is part of this book.  Your thoughts? Thank you,

Kortoga

The only reason the fox tells you it is normal to steal and eat the farmer's chickens is because it is the fox telling you, not the farmer, not the chickens, and not the grocery store that wants to buy the chickens.

grendel013, I had no idea that was a process that could be done. Thank you for sharing, I will use that method! And was already thinking of purchasing a signed Opena, then traveling down the path for Remender. I am assuming Remender is easier to track down.

man, thanks a lot!

On 2/28/2024 at 9:31 PM, grendel013 said:

This one's still pretty cool.

Yes, that comic is cool. However, I am trying to figure out what your post is saying. Is this comic available for sale somewhere? Do you own this comic?

I have specifically wondered if I should purchase a 9.8 signed by Jerome Opena, then somehow get it signed by Rick Remender and re-graded. I have zero, absolutely zero experience in doing this. But everything is figureoutable and I don't mind trying!

On 2/28/2024 at 5:09 PM, grendel013 said:

Anyway, good luck @Kortoga and welcome to the boards!! WHEN (I won't say IF) you find a copy, please let us know and post a pic!

You got it! I certainly will.

Thank you Hudson for the insight of your experiences. I know right now I have nothing of value to offer anyone here besides my motivation to be in this hobby and interact in the past services CGC offers and sells by purchasing products they have produced. And maybe one day transact directly with CGC with the services they offer. As you described, I am on the same journey you began (and everyone else).  Cheers! and thank you!

On 2/28/2024 at 7:18 AM, CGC Mike said:

I have removed the restrictions, and you now have access.  Good luck!  

THANK YOU!!!!  For letting me be a part of this community. I hope to be helpful to others.

Copy that. I understand the process and the logic behind it, thank you for the really good explanation!

I am looking for a specific signed comic and now I know that road or path is not a good one.

As an update. I have literally been posting at CBCS forum with wanted posts "immediately" after signing in and becoming "authorized". This all happening after I got the 1 month ban from the wanted section and not allowed to enter because I might be a spammer or scammer.

All I have to say is, for being forced to wait an entire month before I am granted access, this wanted section here at CGC better be this mystical fantastical place where members walk down golden streets and there are no scammers or spammers and members are dumping deals with each other that you need a secret VIP backdoor pass from security guards to get in. I have this small voice in the back of my head telling me this will not be the case.

Will CGC regrade and reholder a CBCS signed witnessed yellow label comic and keep the yellow label on the new CGC reholder?

I have zero experience in grading comics or determining the value of comics. However, you are not responsible for the original cased comic to be cosmetically damaged because of poor ownership, the owner is and is therefore responsible for any loss in value because of these actions. If he wants to sell the comic at today's value, then I feel he needs to get the comic up to today's standards or at the least, repair the cosmetic damage of the case.  In other words, if you feel there is a cost difference between a newly cased comic without all of the cosmetic issues you described, then the owner is responsible to suffer those losses, not you.  Tell your friend that you will buy the comic after it has been re-holdered and re-graded.

1. If it comes back same or better grade, make an agreement that you will pay that value price for the comic and will add the cost of re-holdering the comic. The risk is, it may come back worth more than you perceive right now. Good for him, bad for you. But fair.

2. If the comic comes back with a lower grade, make an agreement you have the right to determine if you want to purchase the comic at that lower grade. If you do decide to purchase, then determine that value with the seller and add the cost of re-holdering. Good for you, bad for him. But again, fair.

3. You can purchase the comic as is, and re-holder yourself taking on all risk of a possible lower grade.  OR possibly getting a higher graded comic at a lower graded cost.  Again, fair.

I am new to this hobby and the details involved are not something I can comment on. However, transactions and fairness and deals are the same on any business type decision. There may be other options you may think of. In the end, it is what you are comfortable with and are willing to accept if you purchase this comic.  Good luck, keep us updated, and thanks for sharing.

Thank you for the info MAR1979, I am not going to display the original. I will make a display version. This will 100% protect against UV's. However, this will help me in other areas.

I am very new to this hobby.  I have never physically handled a slab. I have only seen them on display at my local comic shop. Is it easy to open and put back together without knowing this has been done? I have assumed these slabs are designed with a very very high level of security OR the process of opening the slab would destroy the slab OR at the least the process of opening the slab would cause some sort of sacrificial damage to the case that can be easily noticed and not repairable without the repair being noticed.

If these holders have been designed at a minimum without a sacrificial damage mechanism that breaks when opened, how are these slabs ever trusted as being authentic? What is the mechanism keeping them from being opened and the certified trust CGC is selling being broken.  What am I missing here?  Thanks

I am gearing up to purchase my first graded comic book (nothing expensive).  However, I trust and assume that there is a very hard way to create the scam you are referring to, that I am getting into a collecting system that has been vetted and is very secure.  That when I see a CGC graded comic I can know there is a mechanical process in place to help me (as a novice) identify the item is legit.  Without that, if I have to reply on experts and trusted sources for everything, what is the point?

yeah, something like that. The comic I want will have gone through a process to get signed and stay at 9.8, a road not easy (but very possible). And will probably not be repeatable as time goes by and the years click along.

So I do not want to sacrifice the color integrity of the original signed comic by allowing the only way to destroy the comic from outside the holder, UV light, even indoor lighting fixtures.

My plans right now are to buy the comic and store it away, I want to own the physical copy signed and graded, and can get this out to show people if needed for conversation.

Then I will create a "fake" version of the comic inside a type holder for display only.  No one I know will ever care or even know what they are looking at is a generated copy for display only. I may even buy a full copy of the comic just to put into the display and let that copy fade away over time.  Just my thoughts for now.

Thanks for the recommendations and ideas!  This is helping me figure out exactly how I am going to do it.

oh yeah, no Newton Rings.  Been reading about that nightmare and as an engineer I understand exactly the problem and I don't need someone's laziness in design and purchasing to cause the optical superiority to be compromised and then call it normal because the cost of fixing the problem is beyond bean counting levels.  That would be like buying a Lambo and when it cannot do 140mph (or anything the specifications said it should do) the manufacture tells you it is normal because blah blah blah engineering blah blah blah technical blah blah blah. My take on that is, I don't want Newton Rings.  I would rather have a CGC graded comic, but if Newton Rings are a problem, I will go with CBCS. It is not that much of a deviation from what I want. But the Newton Rings for me are a show stopper.