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I love Beta Ray and Ti Asha Ra but Gunn has stated that Beta Ray is not in the collector's collection in Knowhere so I am not sure why he's trending higher. Does everything have to be about a movie? Can't a good book get some heat for being a good book?

It certainly takes some balls. Of course, I don't believe he's actually guaranteeing that CGC will grade it as a 9.9. That would take a serious set of balls, and show an even stronger desire to throw money away one way or another.

There's almost zero justification for selling a key comic raw if you genuinely think its a 9.9. Drop an extra $50 bucks to make an extra $500 3 weeks later? I'd have a lot of questions. But maybe those were asked and answered appropriately and they came together on a solid price for the actual grade. +1 A 9.9 claim has to be one of the cheapest sales tactics there is. You're basically saying that you're leaving hundreds on the table for the buyer to reap so you can make tens. But he may be the first seller who puts making customers money as job #1.

I am on the road and don't have my scanner, but I recently picked up a stack that has a few that are not on the list. These are in hand, and I can supply scans later if needed. Aquaman #23 Azrael #20 Robin #16 & 32 (and I have a #7 in the mail) Steel #29

I do wish other dealers would chime in here.. New collectors will actually spend money in a fashion and in amounts that longer term collectors might think foolish. But you are correct, it is a rare new customer that comes in buying high dollar items. They might spend a lot of money, but my experience is they also want a lot of stuff (they are new, they have a lot of wants). Typically, it takes a while to warm up to the idea that a $1000 spent on one book is often a better investment than a $1000 spent on 500 books. It's an advance collector that recognizes the value of more desirable, much more expensive items. There are exceptions and they make for interesting stories. I've thought about posting up one such recent story. Keep in mind these are exceptions. Bonhams (world's third largest auction house) had their first ever auction of comic books. Typically they are very high art and collectibles. Things like James Bond cars, ancient armor, art by the masters, vintage furniture. Some comic lots did - well - very well. Seems some people in the crowd - art dealers that frequent Bonhams auctions - figured comics must be great if Bonhams is auctioning them. They had no comic book experience. Some maybe researched Heritage Auctions. Others just bid away. The bidding on the floor got spirited. Bidders online seemed to know better. Hulk 181 in 9.8 sold for over $16K. The person buying it thought they were bagging a bargain because they saw that Heritage sold one for $26K....... Problem was that was 2009. Book has been selling for 9.5-11K the last couple of years. The buyer rather bummed upon learning the reality. It's OK though. He'll do really well on the raw lots he bought. Meanwhile - an illustration of why GPA is only one pricing source and cannot be some sort of bible all by it'self - now people are listing Hulk 181's for the 90 day GPA average of $13,600 and noting the most recent sale of $16,250. Well, one person's big mistake doesn't make for a new trend. Wouldn't this type of behavior support my point of view in our other discussion? No, Not unless you think a couple of people that could affect books like WD 1 or NM 98. Both of which have very large numbers of NM+ copies. There are 89 copies of Hulk 181 in 9.8. Maybe 15 copies sell a year. 3-4 every quarter. One rogue sale creates and immediate bubble in the 90 day average. It hardly affected the 12 month average, which remains below 11K. Compare this to WD 1 (762 copies in 9.8 almost 100 copies sold past 12 months) NM 98 (1692 copies in 9.8. Over 260 copies sold last 12 months, 73 past 90 days A few newbies flashing cash can't make an impact on books with this kind of availability. It takes a herd of people. Those people are already collectors. Adding the books to their want list. Prices are going up - buzz is going around - and they want in. It's cool to own what others envy - and if prices are going up you can justify the expense. You and I really only disagree in one area. You believe TV shows and movies bring in large numbers of new collectors looking for those books. Or at least you believe that is the case for WD. And that all these new collectors bring lots of money and send the prices upwards. As a dealer like forever, I see almost none of that. I know lots of friends that watch the Walking Dead. Or loved the Avengers. Or Captain America. Or Thor. The women especially love Thor. And WD for that matter. They all know I have this weird business of buying and selling comic books. No one wants a comic book. No one wants to know what issue Michone first appears on. No one is interested in even reading the collected trades. Occasionally someone is interested to learn Rick is missing a hand or Daryl isn't a character in the comic. Or that Michone's hatred of the Governor in the comics made more sense and her retaliation much more brutal. But that's it. "Huh? Really?" But they still don't want the comics. "What about Beth. Can you believe they killed her off?! Poor Maggie" You see the major WD stars in high demand at shows. Their VIP's sell out. Yes, comic book collectors go to them, but most are fans of the show and want a picture and autograph. But I can no more prove you wrong than I can prove myself right. I find myself wondering if we are arguing a false dilemma? Perhaps it's both: It's possible that both large numbers of existing collectors add issues to their want lists when a movie is announced or TV show keeps growing in popularity - AND that new readers and collectors are born from those same movies and TV shows. Both things happening, both contributing to upward prices that start looking like bubbles to a lot of people. My experiences with fans of the WD show mirror yours; they don't want to borrow my GNs they could read for FREE, let alone buy any. I've seen others post in line with this sentiment. Until I start seeing folks posting some cases of people coming to the comics after starting with the show, I'm still going to be skeptical that this happens often enough to move the needle on something like WD #1.

Both NM #98 and WD #1 are in bubbles driven by comic collectors/hoarders/dealers. Both books are bad long term bets at these prices. NM #98 has too many extant copies to support these prices, and the time to sell was the day after the movie was announced and 9.8s jumped to $800-1000. WD will have a longer time frame, and will settle at a higher price, but its current level is unsustainable. I anticipate that it will be a mid to high three figure book in 9.8 a few years after the show ends, if not prior to that. This is just my own experience, but the folks I talk to about the WD show, many of which are big fans, couldn't care less about the comics. I offer to lend them my set of the 1-12 GNs to jump start reading the book, and they aren't interested. These are folks that consider WD to be one of their favorite shows, and they can't be bothered to read it for FREE. This is why the sales of the comic aren't higher, because it has captured very few new readers who weren't already buying comics. Those 70,000 books are being sold to readers, hoarders, and flippers, and are very poor places to park one's money for any reason other than the 4-5 minutes of entertainment in reading it.

Seriously SW21 is the best single comic I've ever read. I recommend it to anyone and everyone. The best single comic I ever read was Popeye 326. He eats some tainted spinach and goes on a hallucinogenic murderous rampage that makes your average Tarantino film look like an animated Disney movie.

Were you responding to my post? We have been getting $40-$60 or more for raw #361s for a few years now (three years ago it was $40, last year $50 - $60). That being said, I stickered my CGC 9.6 newsstand #361 at $250 last spring and it sold fast, then put up my CGC 9.6 #362 for $150 and it sold fast as well at the same show. Were those in Canuck dollars? If those sales were priced in US dollars you did really well indeed.

It's supposed to be "Coppers (that are) heating/selling well on eBay" The apostrophe is superfluous. "Copper's (that is, Copper is) heating/selling well on eBay" would just be a declarative statement about the general state of the Copper Age market, without discussing individual books. Minutiae. You guys are killing me with this. Correct use of punctuation can be annoying. Or is incorrect use of punctuation can be annoying? My mom was a grammar teacher so I got hammered with proper grammar etiquette growing up. Some of it stuck - one of my pet peeves is the misuse of your and you're; their, there, and they're; to and too; and so on. Not to say I don't make those mistakes myself and auto-correct nowadays doesn't help but I try to watch it because I think she is still looking over my shoulder And I never understood why the heck we were taught how to diagram a sentence. Someone's cruel joke who couldn't quite make it as a mathematician and ended up as an English professor, maybe And to bring the thread back around - I still can't believe how some of these books are fetching such crazy prices. I no longer try to keep up. More power to the sellers and luck to the buyers that some of those comics may actually retain some value. I agree with all you've posted. I simply meant that the corrections annoyed some who don't see the value in them.

It's supposed to be "Coppers (that are) heating/selling well on eBay" The apostrophe is superfluous. "Copper's (that is, Copper is) heating/selling well on eBay" would just be a declarative statement about the general state of the Copper Age market, without discussing individual books. Minutiae. You guys are killing me with this. Correct use of punctuation can be annoying.

I'll check what I've got and post any that aren't on your list. I've just started getting serious about these, and appreciate the list!

Should this thread move over or is it redundant?

Another one.

Bump for a move to the new sub forum.

Bump for a move to new subforum.

Can't find that book out in the wild at all, I've found the 49 but not the the 50 we should hype the 49 more, its the REAL 1st app. But it isn't even the same team as the New 52 version, right?

Which is why we need to take it out when we post and hope it goes away permanently.

Cool, thanks for the info. I'll do that and post what I find out. (It may be a few days...)

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The last time I went looking for newsstand copies was when Marvel introduced the Angela character in GotG. I went to Books and Co., who, at the time still had an extensive comic selection. That was maybe 1 1/2- 2 years ago? I have never been to one, but what about Hastings? Hastings gets new books, but not everyone has access to them. I also don't think they get newsstand copies per se.

That is quite a battered spine corner for a 9.8, but not out of the realm of possibility for other 9.8s I've seen. They must have gone with "bindery defect" and overlooked it for grade (like the corners on so many #300s) or maybe it would have been a 9.9 without the corner.

Pedant. In this case, proudly.

How about we make a New Year's resolution to finally fix the apostrophe in the title.

And this increased demand for this awful comic not one tiny bit.

Based on what evidence?