Captain Canuck

7 minutes ago, Artboy99 said:

Kane wasn't the greatest artist but he at least had line weight variations.

This image as an example, is very amateur. The Joker's face as an example was drawn with the same pen and has no line variation, the inking is very badly done. The lines in the legs are terrible, they have a rushed feel.

Whereas this Joker cover by Kane, you can see some line weight changes, like on the Joker's nose.

The thing is, maybe the art on the cover to 23 was drawn by Kane and INKED by someone more competent.

All I can say is this: to the trained eye of an artist I can tell the first image is drawn by someone with little skill.

Or maybe not done by Kane at all. Do we know for certain if Kane worked on any Batman issue? Beyond taking claim.  Did he not have a ghost artist from day one? As well, didn't he also do that with Bill Finger. 

2 minutes ago, Artboy99 said:

None of the pieces in this thread were drawn by Bob Kane. They all have an "amateurish" look to them.

Wasn't Kane an amateur drawer at best? Would explain all the ghost artists and tracing predawn images. 

13 minutes ago, malvin said:

Nice collection!  I think with the cloud hanging over "Bob Kane" artwork I would return and not bother.  As for other artists, it really depends on your tastes as tons of great artists have worked on Batman, a few that come to mind are:

Shelly Moldoff - one of Bob Kane's ghosts, and there are lots of examples out there that are priced reasonable

Tim Sale - I assume you have read and love long halloween and dark victory

Jim Aparo - The definitive Batman artist for me

Neal Adams - enough said

There are just so many out there!  Good luck.

Malvin

Don't forget vintage Neal Adams, Jim Lee (Hush), Marshall Rogers and if you can find D ick Sprang that would be just as good as Bob Kane.

Wow! Great collection! That colored Kane Batman definitely look like his style. I guess unless someone physically saw Kane draw the piece or was his Ghost and couch vouch for or against it. There is no way to know for certain. There has to be a better and easier solution. 

10 minutes ago, Morgan0714 said:

To clarify, the first pic I posted that had a gray background was a print out of the pic they sent me. I couldn't find the texted pic they sent me originally but had a print out of the original on my desk. The text Choice Collectibles originally sent me had the white background and is the same as the one featured on Invaluable.

Would explain the different weight in lines. 

2 minutes ago, Captain Canuck said:

Ankur here is a letter I found in my collection that he wrote to me in 2012. Every time I wrote to him his signature varied from S. Ditko to S.D. to Steve Ditko. I have always found his responses pleasant, but the length has greatly decreased over the years. This is the best response I received from him over the years.

I'm curious if I should get this signed by Stan Lee, but in pencil. 

On 4/30/2015 at 10:48 PM, AnkurJ said:

A few weeks ago, I wrote a letter to Steve Ditko. I am aware that he has been unapproachable for the most part and does not have much interest in Spiderman and comics he worked on during the 60's. But I thought it was worth a shot.

 

I wrote a letter in which I explained that I have loved his work since I was 12, and now am introducing it to my son. I asked if he saw any of the Spiderman movies and if he liked any of them. Lastly I included a 8x10 of the first page from AF15 and asked him to sign it. He returned it unsigned, but did include this letter:

 

 

Interesting that he signed his name twice!

I felt it was a very gracious response and was more than I expected.

 

Ankur

Ankur here is a letter I found in my collection that he wrote to me in 2012. Every time I wrote to him his signature varied from S. Ditko to S.D. to Steve Ditko. I have always found his responses pleasant, but the length has greatly decreased over the years. This is the best response I received from him over the years.

39 minutes ago, Unca Ben said:

I'm kinda thinking the same thing; but otherwise they are identical, line-for-line.  Like a tracing?

That Joker also looks different to the remarqued version I posted previously, which is why I didn't purchase it just didn't look right. I find his Joker faces to be more simple and this one is too edgy/polished for his style. Which is funny because this is from his autobiography and does not fit his style. Feels like a fake, even though it is supposed to be official/authorized Kane. 

15 minutes ago, Unca Ben said:

That piece (or one just like it) was in the Profiles in History Dec 2016 auction.
Mebbe it's your scan, but the linework looks a little heavier in your picture.

 

 

 

I'm going out on a limb here, but they are 2 different pictures. You will notice the difference between the 2 when you look at Batmans belt and Robins raised hand. The lines are similiar, but thinner and more deliberate in terms of providing depth and contour on the second image. 

1 hour ago, AndyFish said:

Proportions are way off-- but so too were some of the drawings he did in his remarqued autobiography.  I'm not saying it's Kane, and I'm definitely not saying I'd pay anything CLOSE to $10K for it but it has some trappings that indicate it's by the same person who did some of the other pieces shown here.

They are all from the same seller, so I assume they got them from the same source. 

I thought all all the drawings in his remarqued autobiography were headshots? At least that is what I have seen and own. Too bad there is no way of authenticating whether he legitametly drew those remarqued sketches or not. I had a choice between Batman or Joker, but something didn't look right about his remarqued Joker so I took the Batman headshot.

6 minutes ago, AndyFish said:

And it could be yours for only $10K!

Batman and Robins proportions look off. Looks too polished for anything I have seen Kane do in his later years. 

They are selling a similar Kane drawing on their website that is very suspect. 

http://www.allanimation.com/jocapebaro.html

1 hour ago, Robot Man said:

Really? Do you think I would post it if it wern't?

Yes, both were obtained by myself at the San Diego Con many years ago. (two different years)

I used to have this puzzle as a kid, but it was mounted on wood and used as a play mat. 

3 minutes ago, Robot Man said:

I have the one you have with a couple of "improvements" and about 5 or 6 others. They come in 300 piece and 500 piece versions plus one I don't have with 3 in one box. All are based on early Action covers. Real popular with Superman collectors.

Here's a recent pick up. The only other one I have a photo of.

Is that a legit Siegel and Shuster sig?

1 hour ago, comicartcom said:

this is totally correct

the second one is the only one that even looks like there's a possibility, but the remaining photos all appear to be forgeries to me, not done by anyone who even even spoke to Bob Kane by long distance. It's sad that with the advent of the internet, fraud like this has grown like Kudzu weeds..

 

 

Also the sig on the 2nd image is the most Kane like. 

1 hour ago, Bronty said:

Looking at picture #2, dated 1973... I have a hard time believing that's from 1973 on the face of it.  

Sketches from that time period that I've seen in comic art are almost always india ink or pencil.   Marker sketches weren't a widespread thing until the mid 80s I'd say?  

Can anyone speak to when "Kane" sketches began to be done in marker?

The sig and style in the 2nd picture looks more like Kane than any of the others. I always found Kane's style to be very lazy and simplistic. 

12 minutes ago, G.A.tor said:

 

I still have all my hulk 1's at the same price as I offered all of last year...guess I need to sell a few

Is there any value in coverless copies or restored coverless copies? If so, how much do they realistically command in terms of demand and price?

4 hours ago, Kevin Boyd said:

No CGC on-site grading in Toronto, it's just not going to ever happen.

So like in Dallas, there will be 2 packages. This seemed to have confused some folks... Jim Lee has a specific fee for graded collectibles.

So one package will be for regular autographs (items not for grading).

The other package will be for items that are being graded / Signature labels. This will include the fee required for such items.

 

When will the package be announced/on sale and will there be any other packages announced in the near future? As well, will Jim be signing regardless of the package? I assume the package gives you front of the line? As well, will VIP also give you front of the line for Jim? Lastly will he be involved in a sketch duel and which days will he be present?

Will Adam Kubert be coming this year?

18 minutes ago, mosconi said:

He actually seemed somewhat playful and open in these photos!  Is there any known audio recording of Ditko speaking??

They look like they were taken at the same time. Shirt is the same and the stats in the background are the same and in the same place. 

1 hour ago, Canadiancomics said:

I too have sent to Ditko, sent a letter last May and have sent two more scince and got all of them back, he's definitely consistent. I reccomend you guys send something to John Romita Sr, sent him a package with a couple posters last year and a few months later got all of them back signed (even gave me a Spidey sketch on one of them) and left a nice message on paper. Sometimes he may ask for $20 to be donated to THI but doesn't ask everyone (didn't ask me too). If you guys want I can give you his mailing address, just don't send anything expensive.

Please PM me his address. 

8 minutes ago, mosconi said:

  It has some resemblance...

I doubt it is him. Where is his black thick eye glasses? I assume he needs to wear them all the time. 

His responses are becoming shorter and more concise. I would love a lengthy letter from him, but so far no luck. I'm wondering if a letter from a child would warrant a longer response. 

36 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

well snap

Just thinking. If you take your item and attach it to the cover of a blank comic, I assume then they will give it a green label or with a witnessed sig or sketch, yellow green label. 

39 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

That's what I was trying to express, but I thought if you got something added to it ie sig, extra character added, then it would become witnessed. Is that not true? well that makes a difference....

I can in the future get a CGC'd sketch that is not a comic though (right?)as long as it is witnessed. It's just what's the difference in doing that and getting a comic cover sketch. I don't know the only way I see this becoming productive is 1) if you don't want it ruining a cover ie blank/or other and 2) it was a full on comission on smaller paper...

Did they discuss sizes? that may seem silly but I don't know what size a full on comission comes in, and I'm sure there is no real way to answer ie every artist may be different

They said no to everything. Only if it is on a comic or sketch cover can it be encapsulated after the fact with a green label.