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One major correct in your post from above: the never to be released Pedigree book shows about 70 identified from '44, 10 from '43 and '15 from 45. Unfortunately, the Pedigree book that everybody has been waiting for will never see the light of day. well then I dont feel bad about occasionally leaking info from the Okajima chapter!

Anyone have pictures with the camp info? I see the record of it selling on Clink back in 2014.

That'd be great! It is not on ANY lists currently (it wasnt part of Barr's purchase, nor is it on the pedigree list)

I dont think Alan was actually one of the purchasers (he's on here and can correct me if Im mistaken) There were three purchasers (or it's assumed that way), one of the three wasnt a GA collector and soon contacted Alan Barr and sold his part of the purchase to Alan. Alan ended up with 358 comics. So assuming the original purchaser didnt sell any other books before the deal with Alan then we're looking at a collection of between 1000 and 1200 books. I dont know if Alan has ever mentioned the seller whom he bought the collection from by name. There are some big chunks of the collection that have never surfaced, so it makes me think that at least one of the other two buyers might be sitting on the collection privately. Also I think the '44 Okajimas are so recognizable, many of them are staying raw because their pedigree is not in need of validation since the markings are so obvious, another reason they never surface.

What is the approximate time period that we are talking about with regards to the Okajima camp books portion of the collection? See my above post. We're looking at the '44 books with the marking similar to the Crack Comics book I posted.

Total pedigree is estimated at 1000-1200 spread from 43' to 55. the yet to be released Pedigree book shows about 70 identified from '44, 10 from '43 and '15 from 45. If we use "2I" as the consistent starting point of the code there are 35 gaps in the code that mean there is at least 1 comics from that purchase date (upping our total to 79). But she occasionally bought two, or even three books, so the number could be over 100 total. That would cover the core time of the consistent "camp coding" which ran from Feb '44 to September '44. Before the Feb 44 books coding is spotty, and irregular, and there are very few books from pre 2/1944. After September of '44 again coding become varied (sometimes a purchase date, sometimes a signature, sometimes a code). Again, all conjecture. I'll do a better, more awake comparison between the pedigree book list (which is largely from Alan's list and some other sources) and my list and see if there are any other gaps I can fill.

I remember hearing that when the Ojakimas came to the market it was in the midst of a bit of a backlash against pedigrees (against them having more value than non-pedigrees), thus when you look at Alan's certificates that came with his 1/3 of the collection he was selling the word "pedigree" does not appear.

Am I missing something here as this appears to be an absolutely astronomical price to to be paying for a mid-grade mid-run non-key book with a long forgotten GA lead character? I could see the Church copy going for that kind of money since it should be high grade as Chuck had it listed as a NM+ in his Mile High catalogue. Actually, the Overstreet value for a F/VF is only $107 since the VF pricing for issue #33 is set at the $142 price. Maybe somebody should tell Heritage. In the last three years we've seen the camp era Okajima books sell for a premium over other copies, starting with the Boy Comics #16 that sold for $1150, about 5x guide or previous sales. The Okajima pedigree story might be the best pedigree story, and the books from the year(s?) she spent in the internment camp are the centerpiece to the story. Thus the premium... ANY book coming up from this pedigree from '44 is seeing multiple multipliers in their final sale price

I cant edit the original post (its what 2-3 years old now?) Here's my current list of camp era Okajimas Startling Comics #24 "Okajima" (no code) Captain Marvel Adventures #28 "Okajima" Captain Midnight #13 "Okajmia" (no code) Captain Marvel #31 ("1-26-43") "1H", "Okajima" Catman #21 "Okajima" Catman #22 "Okajima 1D" Human Torch #14 (1-1-?) "1F" or "1J" or "1Y" (most likely) Sensation #28 "2-19-44 Okajima 2I" Catman #22 "2-22-44 Okajima 2j" Air Fighters Comics V2 #7 (2/22/44) "2j" Crack Comics #33 (2/22/44) "2M" Black Terror #6 (3/11/44) "2q" Zip Comics 46 (3/18/44) "2R" Police Comics #30 (3/18/44) "2R" Marvel Mystery Comics #55 (3/18/44) "2R" Prize Comics "3-27-44" "Okajima" "2" Super Magician v3#1 (3/29/44) "2T" Captain Aero Comics #15 (V3 #13) (3/29/44) "2T" Boy Comics #16 (4/1/44) "2u" Police Comics #31 (4/8/44) "2x" Fightin' Yank #8 (4/8/44) "2x" Flash Comics #54 (4/11/44) "2xz (you can see she used the code over, and then corrected it to "z" Captain Marvel Jr. 19 (4/15/44) "3A" Captain America Comics 39 (4/20/44) "3D" Master Comics 51 (4/25/44) "3H" Jungle Comics 54 (4/29/ 44) "3J" Shadow Comics V4 #3 (5/6/44) "3m" Captain America Comics 40 (5/9/44) "3o" Captain Marvel Jr. 20 (5/16/44) "3q" Startling Comics #28 (5/23/44) "3R" Marvel Mystery Comics 57 (5/24/44) "3R" Captain Midnight #21(5/24/44) "3R" Action #74 (5/24/44) "3S" More Fun Comics 98 (5/29/44) "3T" Fight Comics #33 (5/29/44) "3T" Military Comics #31 (5/30/44) "3u" Ace #88 (5-30-44) "3u" Rangers Comics #18 (6/3/44) "3w" Sensation #32 (6-1?-44) "??" Captain America Comics #41 (6/23/44) "3z" Mystery Comics 2 (8/9/44) "4o" Captain Marvel Jr #23 (8-21-44) "4u" Military Comics #34 (no date) "4xv" no okjajima -script Shadow Comics v4#7 (9-??-44) "4√" faded okajima -script top left

this lovely raw copy was auctioned last night on Heritage HA had it as FN/VF (Overstreet value $142). Comp sale would be the Church copy which has changed hands twice since 2013 for an average of about $850. Last nights hammer for the Okajima? $896. From '44 and part of the "camp era" part of the collection it is coded 2M, and has the unusual distinction of being purchased on leap year 2-29-44 I was thinking $400-500... way off.

yep. the problem is their "brand recognition" is equally as bad as it is recognizable.

i'd take 1/2 a Brulato vs 2 Dallas Stephens but yes, OO collections only Doesnt that disqualify the Slobidan, since it wasn't all OO? I was under the impression that everything from 1960 onward was purchased new by Calvin. Ah I was thinking about his GA books... which weren't....

i'd take 1/2 a Brulato vs 2 Dallas Stephens but yes, OO collections only Doesnt that disqualify the Slobidan, since it wasn't all OO?

believe that was me, and what I think I said (and definitely meant) was that some mystery box threads are set up so the seller COULD favor one buyer over another. I was also alluding to the old ebay scam of Selling 10 envelope chancess, 9 junk, one gets a NM98 and lo and behold the person who "gets" the NM98 is the sellers friend, and there either never was a NM98, or it never actually changed hands (just a way to bilk 9 other people out of money with the promise of a chance at a good book). again not saying that happened here, just that SOME mystery threads are set up so that it COULD occur if the seller was unscrupulous.

Is routinely misused in English, making the word itself moot. huh, look at that. I never knew I was using it improperly! (and to think I was making fun of the people that say "mute"!)

Someone just asked him why he's not just charging the right amount extra for paypal and he responded with "Those are the terms of sale"...but it's since been deleted. who is "he"?

1. it's all a moot point because mystery boxes are no longer allowed. 2. If someone promised a mystery box with a value of $500 and you got a mystery box full of german newpaper, it certainly would be probation worthy especially if the seller stated the box value in the terms of the transactions. Closest I got to a mystery box burn was I bought a TPB mystery box for like $50 with a stated value of at least double that. What I got was 10 TPBs ( a few of which were really just square bound 80 pagers) and 1 HC (all of which could be found in any of 100 differet $5 TPB boxes. But their retail stated value was over $150. Lesson learned. Worst case I broke even or so, but had some iffy reads for a few days of stuff I never would have bought for myself.

no but if I remember those racks they'd work nicely to display slabs!

maybe they're going to be losing some locations? Maybe some contracts were due for renewal and they havent been renewed?

I know this is slightly a moot point since mystery boxes are not outlawed but I wanted to clear the air in terms of how my last mystery box turned out. I posted my previous mystery box contents which I felt was way light in value and Jason let me know he would make it right in my free second box. Here is what I received from the two boxes: The key books are fairly rough but complete and readable except for the DD 158 which is right on the edge of high grade. I will have to say this is the best $150 box I've ever gotten from Jason but it was his Birthday thread so maybe it was his intent to wow people with the second box. But to fair I thought it was important to show the good after showing the bad. so wait are the two pictures everything that was in the free box?

I think this is good news http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/32095/dst-revives-marvel-statue-line when I collected statues there were some nice designs from the marvel line (more action, more props) vs the static competition at the time.

I wonder if FREE mystery boxes would still be allowed (like I did last year, only cost the "buyer" the shipping cost)...

and thats why I never understood paying big money for a CGC graded NM98. Look 8 more coming in from the wild! (PS nice timing on a find of them too, right before the movie!)

I think yes, but honestly I wasnt sure, and no one had responded to his post (including Comical), so I figured telling him the PL process was a decent start. If he got a mystery box not equal to the purchase value (which was what was stated in the Sales thread), I guess he could nominate right, the terms of the sale were not met, no?

so if you want to nominate him for the PL follow the stated PL nomination rules. 1. Send him a PM, a new PM stating that you are nominating him for the Probation list regarding the transaction. 2. Then come here and say you've notified cgems about the nomination. 3. State here in the probation discussion the conditions of the nomination (though you've done most of that already). Id just clearly state the dates that you a) agreed to a purchase and b) when you made payment. 4. Assuming all the conditions of the PL are met, then Cgems has up to 72 hrs to respond and present their side. If after the 72 hours, or after cGems responds it can be decided if PL conditions are met and then he would be put on the list, or the nomination would be shot down (if deemed not PL worthy). 5. Once Cgems meets the conditions of the transaction then he would come off the PL (assume it was a successful nomination). [i think I got all that right, anyone can feel free to correct me]