Top City Comics

6 minutes ago, Buzzetta said:

Okay @Polonsky, you kind of changed the terms of the deal.  Traditionally there has been a 30 day grace period to get the books out.  Having once been in the middle of a transaction and having an injury I can kind of understand why he initially did not get things rolling. 

However, @Top City Comics, give him his money back.  Also if you are trying hard to scrape together $20k then maybe it's best to hand it back to CLink and ask them to immediately sell it.  It would be easier to scrape together the difference than the $20k.  This also allows you to pay back @Polonsky

At this point, also both of you, should either hug it out or agree never to do business again.

So long as Polonsky gets his money back, I agree with the others, I don't see this on the PL.   Give him his money. 

 I never said I wouldn't refund him...he opened this case on me out of spite cause I gave him a piece of my mind earlier on being a hypocrite and didn't take kindly to his threats.

 Me running up a $20k tab on Comiclink isn't actually out of the norm, and I will be fine getting it taken care of in time, I was just letting him know that I do actually have other expenses and can't just drop everything to get him his money because he decided to cancel on me at the last minute...some of that came out of the fact that he was rude as sh it to me and a bit threatening...neither of which I respond very well to...not to mention he is attempting to get me put on the probation list just to spite me...apparently not knowing about the 30-day rule for shipping books out...which literally zaps every bit of credibility this complaint has.

37 minutes ago, Polonsky said:

I think your excuses are very easy to see through. I messed up and forgot to send you my address. I can easily go about my day without even realizing. You said you would ship the 19. You knew you didn't have my address, and you didn't tell me until 2/2. That is two weeks you sat there doing nothing. My fault on that is very low, and I think that is why everyone is overlooking it. They are most likely too busy being perplexed as to who you think you are fooling with your excuses. So can we achieve a resolution here? I'm all for it so we can all move on.

 I'm not trying to fool anyone or makes excuses...mess happens...I got in a car wreck...I couldn't move for a few days...I didn't think about business happenings for those few days...there were literally 25 packages waiting to ship and I had one arm...super sorry I didn't get to your package first.  Weirdest thing about it was...none of the other 24 people complained in the slightest about the shipping delay when they found out I had been hospitalized from a car accident...but I guess that just speaks to your character.

 I never once said I wouldn't refund you...not once...even reiterating it as recently as today...and I tried at least 4-5 times to close this deal out by sending your books...you refused every time...and you literally just a few days ago finally confirmed your shipping address...still demanding a refund (by your own set deadline of 20th of this month)...but you saw me post some books on IG...so you got pissed off & came at me in a rude way...and I didn't respond well to that...and yeeeaahhh...I called you out for a few other things in that message today, including the claim that I have wasted soooo much of your time (POT...meet KETTLE)....but that's really the point of all this, right?....I didn't kiss your @ss or stroke your ego enough so we're here hashing this out in front of the entire forum now.

49 minutes ago, thehumantorch said:

-The time to tell a buyer that shipping before a check is received and deposited is unacceptable is when he asks, not a month after the deal has gone off the rails.

-You failed to ship Jan 19 as promised.

-You also failed to tell the seller that the books hadn't shipped Jan 19 and he found out 9 days later Jan 27, when he asked if they'd shipped. 

-At that point you told him there was a delay because you didn't have any shipping boxes. 

-It took another 4 days to get a ride to the bank and now you realize you can't read his address?  How were you to ship the books before receiving the check?  Surely he sent you his address through private message or email?  And if you agreed to ship the books before receiving the check why does it matter when you go to the bank?

-Not sure where you're getting this "month later" timeline...as we "closed" the deal on the 18th, & I attempted to ship on the 2nd...but I didn't have his correct address anyway...

-I was never given his address until the 26th or after when the check arrived...and I didn't even open it right away...I was still recovering.

-He asked the day the check showed up if they had shipped, and I actually did run out of boxes...that's why I didn't attempt to ship until the following Monday (2nd) after getting the boxes that Saturday (the 31st)

-He most definitely DID NOT send me his address in a private message or email until Wednesday of this last week (Feb 10th).

-I attempted to send his books out numerous times starting on Feb 2nd, less than a week after receiving his check...even going so far as to offer a free bonus book or 2 to smooth things out...but he refused to provide his address...

-I told him I would refund him numerous times, including earlier today...but because it wasn't fast enough, or "on his terms" (even though it's not the 20th yet...the deadline HE SET)...he saw me posting books on Instagram...so he nominated me out of spite (assuming that I bought them all with his $1500 apparently).

13 minutes ago, Patriot6 said:

This is true, but if you sold a book to someone then agreed to ship it on a certain date, in other words intended to follow through, you would have realised on said date that you did not have the address and reached out to the buyer. 

Yep, I agree...but I was hopped up on pain meds & too immobilized to do a dang thing with business for a few days at that point...it definitely set me back....

But I think the main fact we're overlooking here is that I literally didn't have his address IN ANY FORM until the check arrived on the 26th of January (or there abouts)...and didn't notice it had been written so poorly that I couldn't tell the difference between his 4's & 9's until I deposited the check & packaged his books on the 2nd of Feb.

Annnnnd he's pissed off that I didn't ship on the 19th???  Come on man....you literally didn't give me your address until a week after that....

5 minutes ago, thehumantorch said:

"I do have sympathy, and told him to ship when he could.

 

 Top City Comics

Replied: January 18

 

Sure, I think I can do that by tomorrow.

Youre wanting to send a check instead of paypal/venmo then?"

Buyer posted this.  Is it accurate?  It shows that you agreed to ship Jan 19.

 Yes, I was overestimating my ability to package that day...and when I attempted it simply wouldn't work...and again...I DID NOT HAVE THE BUYER'S ADDRESS UNTIL I RECEIVED HIS CHECK ON THE 25TH...and even then I could not discern between one digit in his P.O. Box...the "9" looked like it could be a "4" or a "9", and I didn't want to make that mistake without checking with him first.  This was on the 2nd of Feb, I deposited his check & attempted to print his label but could not read the difference.

2 minutes ago, thehumantorch said:

Why are you spending the customer's money before he has the books and you know he's happy?  

Not that it's any of your business, but I had over $5k in sales coming & going that week, as well as time-payments that come in on a weekly basis....so I didn't think the $1500 would make or break me....and to be honest...jumping thru hoops just to meet his demands "because he said so" was not exactly tops on my priority list after the way he stonewalled me....and as I said before....I was actually debating on nominating him for the PL...but figured it would just be easiest to give in to his demands and appease him so not to waste everyone's time & energy on something so trivial.

4 minutes ago, Red84 said:

@Polonsky

When did you give @Top City Comics your shipping address? Did you provide the shipping address other than on the envelope in which you sent the check?

He gave me his shipping address on Wednesday of THIS WEEK...I had first requested it on Feb. 2nd when I couldn't read the note he dropped in with the check (it was never given in any messages until Wednesday of this week)

6 minutes ago, mattn792 said:

First, I'm not your bro.

Second, what's your timeline of events then?

Ok, cool man, get petty if you want to...you're not my Bro, and I shouldn't insinuate anything of the sort.

Second: "My timeline"...or the actual factual timeline as it's otherwise known...is that everything was hunky-dory...he sent the check...I received it...didn't make it to the bank for a few days...then i deposited it and packaged his books up the same day.  He out sent me a message trying to cancel the transaction later that same night.  The check had already been deposited and was in my possession for LESS THAN A WEEK...not "several weeks" as he is claiming...it's just not true...and I debated on nominating him for backing out of the transaction like that, but let it go, & had conceded to sending him a refund...just like my previous messages to him had stated...just like the message I sent earlier today had re-stated...so I'm really not sure what all this is about, other than him wanting to vent and drag my name through the mud.

3 minutes ago, mattn792 said:

"Just because"?  Unless you can show that @Polonsky's timeline is inaccurate, it sounds like this whole failed transaction was dragged out on your end, and frankly, is still being dragged out because of your cavalier attitude towards pre-spending funds that you don't have full control of yet.  

Bro, I deposited his check like 3-4 days after it arrived...and had his books packaged and ready to go out that same day.

His timeline is bogus.

Just now, Polonsky said:

This is such nonsense as I said I would give you a few weeks to give me a refund to get on your feet. Is this how you treat all people that try and show you kindness? I will pull that message, and our entire conversation if needed. I also told you when my buyer left me, and was still on board for a long time after, so don't use lies to defend yourself please. I think I will have to post our conversation as it will expose several things you have said tonight as blatantly false.

Bro...because you said something to me in a message doesn't actually make it true...you were obviously itching to get this cancelled but wanted to save face so had to come up with something other than "my buyer backed out", because we had finalized a deal.

I was literally debating on NOMINATING YOU for failure to complete a transaction....but decided not to stoop to that level.

Also...YOU LITERALLY NEVER GAVE ME YOUR ADDRESS UNTIL 3 DAYS AGO...but are complaining here about MY FAILURE TO MAIL YOU SOMETHING....what in the actual F dude?

3 minutes ago, mattn792 said:

You've completely missed the point.

Which point?  That he decided out of the blue that he wanted a refund just because?  Sounded to me like he was looking for an excuse to back out because his buyer backed out...and it didn't sit well with me.  I had his books packaged & ready to ship & he decided to pull the plug & not give me his address...what other point is there?  My spending habits don't change any of that.

8 minutes ago, mattn792 said:

Well you kind of made his business when you cited being overleveraged to ComicLink as a reason that you couldn't refund him promptly.  

I agree that you're willingness to square things away with either the books or an (eventual) refund will keep you off of the probation list, but your money management skills are certainly alarming.

 Ok...I used those things to make him understand that he can't just refuse to complete a transaction & then instantly demand a refund...that's not how things work.  And yes, I owe money to other places other than just back to him...for a lot of things & a lot of reasons...but again...because his buyer backed out means that he can back out too>?

3 minutes ago, Patriot6 said:

Then have you issued a cheque? Your reply in his posted messages states that you do not have the money to refund him. This means you cashed his cheque and spent his money. That is his business....

Yes, the money was spent before it was deposited...on other books,

Wasn't planning on him pulling the rug out from under me like this...and I'm pretty sure "not being able to sell them to the guy you were buying them for" isn't actually a cause for demanding a refund....nor is it credible for PL nominations...

And again...if I had written him a check where would I mail it to?  He refused to give me his address as part of "the protest" he was staging.

28 minutes ago, Patriot6 said:

PL aside, who wouldn't be upset if one 'owed' another money, the refund, yet was transacting left and right, presumably with the other's money sans interest, as has been said. If that is true or not is another issue, but I can say with certainty that I would be mad if someone did that to me. 

Again, not PL worthy, but mental note worthy as I find that alarming strictly on a character basis. 

AGAIN...HE NEVER GAVE ME HIS ADDRESS UNTIL 3 DAYS AGO...AND HOW I PROCURE BOOKS VIA TRADE OR USE MY CREDIT CARDS IS MY BUSINESS...NOT HIS...NOT YOURS...NOT ANYONE'S.

13 minutes ago, Patriot6 said:

Very well said. Ponzi scheme comes to mind. If someone had your money and then went on to say how they are in dire financial straights, you would, understandably, be concerned about getting your money out of the sinking ship.... 

I tried to ship the books the same day I deposited the check...I didn't have his address...he refused to complete the transaction after that & refused to give me his address...HOW THE HELL WAS I SUPPOSED TO SEND THE BOOKS OR A CHECK EVEN IF I WANTED TO?????

14 minutes ago, wombat said:

I do think the buyer had every right to cancel the transaction. It seems the agreement up front was to ship the books the day the check was mailed. It seems pretty clear the seller had was never going to do that. To me that is breaking the agreement. Having said that, the buyer then allowed this to drag out. That is on him and while he probably had good intentions for doing so, you can't put the cat bag in the bag so to speak. He agreed on a "new" set of rules at that point. 

I will say that cashing the check and then not giving the money back right away when it was cancelled that day if I'm reading things right is about as close to theft as it comes for me. I know that sounds harsh, but no one cares about what money problems a business has. If he did indeed know that deal was cancelled at the same time he was depositing the check that is just wrong. 

 

The check had already been deposited that day...he messaged me about cancelling at almost midnight AT THE END of that same day...if I had gotten his message beforehand I obviously WOULDN'T HAVE DEPOSITED HIS CHECK.

3 minutes ago, Red84 said:

@Polonsky @Top City Comics Sometimes transactions don't work out as we planned, but this one can be resolved rather simply. @Polonsky send @Top City Comics your address and then let Top ship you the books. Then you both can agree to never deal with each other again and move on.

He sent me the address on Weds of this week (I stated yesterday in a previous post, but that's actually just when I read it for the first time)...so I do have the correct address now.

1 minute ago, Red84 said:

@Polonsky While I understand your frustration according to your side of the story; however, I have not seen a reason for you to ask for a refund. While these books may have been intended to go to your own customer, that is not relevant to your transaction. I would suggest that you agree to accept the books and move on to the next transaction.

 Now that I have his address (as of his message on WEDS), I am 100% willing to ship them out as soon as humanly possible just to get this in the rear-view!!

9 minutes ago, Red84 said:

QUESTION - @Polonsky are you willing to accept the books or do you only want a refund?

QUESTION - @Top City Comics by what date could you send the books or the refund?

 I have tried on numerous occasions to ship his books, including the very same day I deposited his check (wasn't even going to wait for it to clear)...he has refused to accept them...literally never giving me his address until he sent it in a message on Wednesday (WHICH I BELIEVE HE FAILED TO MENTION IN ALL OF THIS)...even though his demands were that I send a check for the refund...not sure where I was gonna send that too...but I do now have the address as of yesterday...so that's progress I guess 

38 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

What does that have to do with any of this?

@Polonsky while I appreciate the detailed account, it’s quite a bit to sift through.  I’m sure other’s will chime in, but I think for a nomination to go forward you might have to boil this down to it’s bare-bones - what he would need to do to make things right to avoid nomination. 
 

While I understand your frustration with the repeated delays, I get the impression (I could be wrong) that you perhaps should have been more clear and firm about your expectations on minimum grade, deadlines, etc.  That probably would have avoided a lot of back-and-forth  

Asking for for the books to be shipped the same day you put a check in the mail - before he get’s the check and has time to cash it - is a pretty big ask.  Wanting to cancel the deal when the seller was still willing to send the books and there doesn’t seem to be clear communication that shipping the books by a certain date was a make-or-break part of the deal before it was consummated, instead more of a “favor” is probably going to complicate this. 
 

If I understand correctly, some or all of the books were initially for your client (sorry, I lost track) but if I’m reading this right these are books that you would also be ok with personally owning. 
 

Sorry if I got some of this wrong, again, it’s a lot to sort through. 
 

Honestly, if what you presented of his current financial situation is correct, it’s seems you’d be more likely to get the books far sooner than the refund on your payment. 
 

If your ok with still having the books, perhaps setting a drop-dead deadline for when they need to be shipped is the way forward. 

 I literally tried to ship his books out the SAME DAY I deposited his check...I didn't even wait for it to clear...he wrote his address illegibly & I couldn't decipher it...I asked for his address & he decided that day to demand a refund...I have since begged him to let me ship the books out, even going so far as to offer to add a bonus book or 2 for not having them out sooner...and he had literally refused to give me his actual verified address until just Wednesday of this week (I read it yesterday)...so I'm not exactly sure how I was supposed to mail him any book OR a check up to this point...

6 minutes ago, Polonsky said:

I find all of this disgusting. I would like people in charge to step in please and say how they feel about this situation. I am happy to answer any questions and provide any details.

 If you find it so disgusting why are you creating all this unnecessary drama I literally said in my response earlier that I WOULD REFUND YOU...JUST LIKE I STATED IN PREVIOUS MESSAGES...BUT IT MIGHT TAKE ME A BIT OF TIME...AND YOUR "DEADLINE" HASN'T EVEN BEEN HIT YET...so it seems to me you just like to whine and are looking for a platform...I hear Facebook is great for creating turmoil & conflict these days...maybe try your hand over there with the other trolls...

 If anyone has been rude throughout this exchange it's been you.  Yes, I got in a car wreck (WHICH MAYBE I DIDN'T WANT THE WHOLE WORLD TO KNOW?!?!?) and had no vehicle for a while, & was attempting to work with broken collarbone...so I couldn't use my arm to package very well, and that's no excuse on my end, as I should've had someone helping me during that time to get the books out quicker...but literally backing out of the deal AFTER I had deposited your check was NOT PROFESSIONAL...as was the request for me to send your books out the same day you "mailed the check"...let alone anytime before it had cleared...as most people WILL NOT SHIP UNTIL THE CHECK HAS CLEARED...and then refusing to give me your correct address when I was ready & willing to ship your books THE SAME DAY I DEPOSITED YOUR CHECK...NOT WHEN IT CLEARED...because YOU had written it like a 3-year old and I couldn't decipher your "9" from a "4" on your on the note...ALL SUPER NON-PROFESSIONAL....now you pull this ?  I literally wrote in my response earlier today that I'd get you refunded...and you said you were good for a couple weeks, SOOOO, what I do with my credit cards and paypal credit accounts in the meantime is actually NONE OF YOUR DA#N BUSINESS...because I'm not actually your , and I don't appreciate the way you've felt entitled to treat me as such thus far.

Bro, you're a clown...and to bring this petty BS here is a complete joke and a waste of everyone's time and energy.

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