EC ed

Remember your own advice...just ignore this sack.

And with this here post.... I was posting here when you were in diapers Sorry...carry on....

The problem isn't the OP stating GPA or listing sales. He didn't indicate that he is waiting for the book to be shipped to him from an auction house. He doesn't have the book in hand and can't possibly know when he'll have the book in hand. Is he selling the book now to cover his auction cost? The thread crapping shouldn't be happening - thats what this thread is for, to bring up issues that would be thread crappable without thread crapping. My main issue is the conversation he had with the consigner to the original auction in the sales thread saying, "Thanks for the great price" type individual_without_enough_empathyry Well said. JL, this comes really close to nailing it - extremely lucid post - whatever you're hitting tonight, stick with that

I started to bring up this issue of payment a while back, but then I would have expected some of you folks to say something like "Well, a lot of the dealers here sell books that they are financing and therefore haven't technically paid for yet, so how is this any different than what they are doing", etc., etc...

That answers it. Of course. He wants to sell it so he can pay for it.

No. I think we're asking for the following (among other things, but staying on point...): if one chooses to provide market data that is allegedly representative of the comic's value, don't cherry pick...provide all the representative data of which one is aware (which would certainly include the value paid in an auction the day before). Otherwise, just shut up and list the asking price.

And what...now knowing it was Bill's book he's semi-gloating about the price he paid (without being specific, mind you) right there in the thread where he's trying to flip it? Just another person to put on my board mess list

No way he has the book in hand yet - I asked about that in the thread, and suggested that he update the listing accordingly to comply with the estimated shipping time guideline. So far, he's ignoring that question, as well. Also, I agree - the selective sales data reporting is even more egregious. If you don't want to report all the material data, just don't report anything. Otherwise, it's manipulative and shady.

Here's the Northford copy to tide us over until we see your White Mountain:

Just received a few slabbed GA Mutt & Jeff books from Brock in a real pleasant transaction. Kudos all around....great communication from Brock, and books were shipped bomb-proof just like I like them in the 1092/1095 combo. Appreciate it. (thumbs u

are you ever going to put together a registry set Ed? As for the registry set...the reason I haven't done it is that most of my books are raw, and I want to leave them that way at this point (I also have a tendency to turn slabbed books into raw books, rather than the other way 'round). I suppose I could enter my slabs in there nonetheless...I probably have enough slabs to make it a worthwhile exercise.

No, no...you guys just keep going after the GFCs...that's where the action is. Leave the non-GFC pedigrees to me

Just bought a sweet set of Severin VoH silverprint proofs from Jon in an all-around smooooth transaction. Lightning fast shipping and great communication - KUDOS!

*OK, HERE WE GO....WALL OF TEXT WARNING!* I wouldn’t blame Arch at all if he indeed decided to ban auctions…after all, there are some parallels between the auction situation and the raffle situation that came up a short while back – the result of the raffle discussion was the banning of raffles, primarily due to the fact that there are many complexities in the laws regarding raffle licensure. Arch understandably wanted to steer clear of these legal complexities. It turns out that auctions also have complex, time-varying and state-varying licensure requirements. The discussions are in flux because online auctions don’t conveniently fit into traditional “auctioneer” structures that most current regulations were based upon. Also, most of the discussions are about people who auction property that belongs to someone else, but the discussion occasionally migrates into people who auction their own property. Here are just a couple of examples, but just Google something like “auction license regulations” and you’ll see a ton of this type of stuff: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/business/yourmoney/04ebay.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.tdlr.texas.gov/auc/pdf/OpenForumHB3038.pdf (see item #3) eBay seems to spend quite a bit of energy fighting the progression of auction regulations, and I’ve seen some discussion that eBay auctions should be exempt from certain requirements because of aspects of their technology (e.g., auctions automatically have a forced end point, rather than being ended by an auction “caller”). Given that the boards do not possess auction software, it could be the case that many of the issues eBay circumvents are in a more gray area here. As another illustration of potential concern using a random state as an example, here are a couple excerpts from North Carolina’s Auctioneers Law (Chapter 85B of the General Statutes - bold text is by me, for emphasis): “Auction Firm” means a sole proprietorship of which the owner is not a licensed auctioneer, or any partnership, association, or corporation, not otherwise exempt from this Chapter, that sells either directly or through agents, real or personal property at auction, or that arranges, sponsors, manages, conducts or advertises auctions, or that in the regular course of business uses or allows the use of its facilities for auctions. This definition applies whether or not an owner or officer of the business acts as an auctioneer.”…… “An auction firm must be licensed by the Board even though no owner or officer of the firm acts as an auctioneer. To be licensed an auction firm must make the contribution to the Fund as required by G.S. 85B-4.1 and must pay the proper fees as set out in G.S. 85B-6. Auction firms are covered by the provisions of G.S. 85B-8.” This is just for the sake of discussion. I'm not a lawyer, and I certainly don’t know all of the legal technicalities that Arch may (or may not) want to worry about with respect to allowing auctions. I’m just saying that I wouldn’t blame Arch at all if he wanted to steer clear of these legal complications, just as he did with raffles. Finally, I certainly don't want auction complexities to threaten the existence of the traditional marketplace here as it has always existed. Perhaps steering clear of auctions will help preserve the longevity of our traditional marketplace. P.S. I'm just guessing, but perhaps these issues are why marketplaces in other online forums often forbid auctions. For example, the first one I went to to check is rebelscum.com. Here's an excerpt from their "Trading and Selling Rules" (link http://www.rebelscum.com/forumselling.asp ): "*NEW: As this forum is Star Wars collecting focused, transactions are limited in type to the following: - Members may only offer to sell or trade Star Wars items they own. - Trade offers must include a Star Wars item on one side of the trade. - Members may also post want-to-buy messages, however, it must be for a Star Wars item. *No auctioning is permitted. That means you cannot make a post stating that you will take offers and sell the item to the highest bidder."

No. I should be able to choose my own starting price, no matter what. You can...on eBay. Or, I could here, too. Of course...you couldn't, under the hypothetical "no reserve" auction rules structure that most of us are proposing as part of a middle ground solution...which is what we're talking about. It would be perfectly fine with me if Arch straight-up banned auctions here...perhaps that's what he should do.

Thanks, Don. Yep, it's the only 9.4 (of course there are higher graded GFCs)... GPA analysis incorrectly shows the sale of this 9.4 back in '04 as a Gaines File Copy...as we now see, the 9.4 is the Church copy.

(posted this recent pickup a couple other places, but thought I'd bump this thread with it, as well - I'm pretty fond of it ) My first EC Church copy...seems like they don't turn up very often. An interesting note from the Heritage auction back when this book sold there in 2004: "This comic is something of a curiosity. It's is known that most of the EC comics from the Mile High collection were bought second-hand, and are not in as nice condition as the comics Edgar Church bought new. However, this particular EC comic looks fantastic - just like the comics he purchased as they reached the newsstands. Was this comic bought new, or was it simply a second hand comic that never accumulated any wear prior to being acquired by Mr. Church?"

Couple of recent Metro buys arrived today:

No. I should be able to choose my own starting price, no matter what. -slym You can...on eBay.

Actually, I prefer the one book per post format, as well. I was wondering about this by the time of my second or third sales thread, so I took an informal poll in the General Discussion thread...as others have stated, the overwhelming majority advised one book per post...so, I've been going that route ever since. SEPARATE AUCTION SUB-FORUM

Agreed. Also, auctions should have their own sub-forum

I'm a little concerned about the president this sets though. When a buyer pays me via PayPal I never actually open the payment e-mail I receive and read it. I just see the e-mail in my In Box, know that payment has been made, and begin preping the item for shipment. I would assume many sellers, if not most, do thee same. But the above makes it sounds like the seller, by accepting the PayPal payment, binds himself to whatever conditions the buyer stipulates in the comment section. In effect, the payment becomes part of the transaction negotiations. So is it incumbent on the seller to open and read those payment e-mail to make sure the buyer hasn't unilaterally changed the terms of the transaction? Not commenting on this specific situation so much as asking in a general sense. Interesting