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+1 Just plain lazy...not to mention that such threads don't technically meet marketplace guidelines. In my idealistic fantasy world that does not exist, all of us buyers would abstain from buying books from those threads. edit: I wonder how it would play out if I bought a book from a "regular rules" thread like this: " , and I'll pay via check at a 3% discount off your asking price, with free USPS Priority Shipping " I mean, that's as "regular" as anything else...interesting experiment to consider

If it's a book you want to have in your collection for some time to come, another option would be to propose some sort of partial refund to reflect some "lost value" due to the slab damage. Then, finish the job of cracking that baby out of there, read it, change the microchamber, and slip it into a nice mylar...

+1 I'm not a fan of queuing up in sales threads, and I agree with ^ this interpretation of 'ON HOLD.' To avoid this mess, I've started putting the following clause in my sales thread rules: "My definition of ON HOLD is that the book is not available for purchase by anyone else until the books comes OFF HOLD...therefore, I'll ignore any thread posts or PMs related to a book ON HOLD until the book comes OFF HOLD (i.e., there's no "queuing up" for a held book); in other words, if discussions break down on a held book, I'll post OFF HOLD in the thread, and then we'll start again from there." Of course, if the seller didn't put this in the rules...

Yeah, a while back I went through the PL history and posted a summary that showed boardie names with dates they were added and removed from the PL - that summary itself was perceived as yet another "bad list", and all hell broke loose... Yes, and if I remember correctly, your list also demonstrated that repeat offenders on the PL were rare, and the exception to the rule. Those rare cases become eligible for the HoS, as it is reserved for, among other things, "Being a multiple offender". Correct, indeed. Also, the history of the PL is made up of relatively few boardies...about 55 different boardies from 2007 (PL inception) through the end of 2013 (when I did that analysis) edit: and most of those 55'ish boardies aren't active here anymore anyway...either they made their way to the HOS, or I suppose just left of their own volition The purpose of the PL is limited (I believe by design) to getting transactions completed, pure and simple. That can never be the proper place to measure a person's integrity or character. Symbiotic abused and lost his second chance(s) and is now nominated for the HoS, which is, I believe, the intended way to judge matters of integrity and character. I agree. Ed in red ^

I think I am going to have to pm myself a list of names of people not to deal with and why so I can remember things like this. Thanks for the post. There are so many that I just put them on ignore. Sometimes in modern threads, there will be entire pages where I don't see anything . . . I use an Excel spreadsheet...that allows me to also have a "notes" column so I can remember/document why they are on my mess list. So far, I'm still on a single worksheet tab

Yeah, a while back I went through the PL history and posted a summary that showed boardie names with dates they were added and removed from the PL - that summary itself was perceived as yet another "bad list", and all hell broke loose...

I recently bought a few TOS/X-Men slabs from George, and it was all-around great! Great deals, great communication, and great packaging/shipping. Kudos!

Claudio has made a couple purchases from me, most recently some raw books from my VCC booth, and it is always an all-around pleasure. Fast payment, great communication, and always great to talk to in general!

Phil bought a slabbed ASM 11 from my recent thread, and it was an all-around pleasure! RAPID payment and great communication...highly recommended!

Here's a sweet ad for Mad #1 on the interior FC of Vault of Horror #27 (Nov. '52): "WE AT E.C. PROUDLY PRESENT OUR LATEST BABY...A 'COMIC' COMIC BOOK! THIS IS UNDOUBTEDLY THE ZANIEST 10c WORTH OF IDIOTIC NONSENSE YOU COULD EVER HOPE TO BUY! GET A COPY OF MAD...ON SALE NOW! WE THINK YOU'LL ENJOY IT!"

Here are some ECs (certainly not the coolest ones, but ones I already had images of for some reason or another): Inside front cover of Mad #2 - ad for Weird Fantasy #16: Back cover of Picture Stories from American History #4 (slab had some issues...I've since finished the job of cracking this one out : Back cover of Picture Stories from Science #1, showing some interesting EC pre-trend titles from the late '40s:

Here's a recent pickup...the first issue of Animal Fables I've owned (from 1947) Notice a certain resemblance between Freddy Firefly when he "flames on" and a prominent Timely character back in the day? By issue #7 of Animal Fables (the last issue of the series, as it turns out), Freddy was no longer red, but was green and yellow...ostensibly because the lawyers got involved...

Cardboard spacers...watch this for a demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAhJRBl8tqE

+1

Is it true (as alleged by seller) that shortly after receipt of the first package buyer acknowledged happiness (and even left kudos)? If so, is that transaction still fair game for PL discussion?

Recently picked up a few raw GA books from Jack - better than described with rapid shipping and great communication. I'll look forward to our next deal! (thumbs u

Here's an EC you don't see every day...promo that I picked up recently (Joe Orlando drew this one). Here's what they were teaching kids about flying kites back in '56: 1) KEEP KITES AWAY FROM ELECTRIC WIRES, and T.V. Antennas; 2) USE DRY COTTON STRING, not Metal; 3) NEVER USE METAL ON KITES, or Kite Tails; 4) NEVER CLIMB POLES, at any time Seems like sensible advice that stands the test of time...

Yep, I can see that. Big, big problem. So, my proposed solution isn't great, after all.... Edit: So, getting back on track....

Yeah, I was thinking about that as well...that's indeed a real problem with the "invitation to offer" scenario...perhaps even a worse problem...alas

In thinking more about this whole situation, it seems like it would also be helpful (i.e., resulting in the need for fewer rules, as opposed to more rules) if we could just get everyone on the same page with the following: Items listed for sale in sales threads should technically be considered "invitations to offer" by the seller. That is, a book listed for sale is an invitation to potential buyers to make an offer to purchase for the stated price, which the seller can then legitimately refuse for any reason whatsoever...this is not a novel idea...this is actually how the real world works (I think...there was a bit of discussion about this a while back in this thread HERE ). I copied this off some legal website...here's the idea: When a shop owner displays items for a consumer to purchase, the act of placing these items out for purchase creates the invitation to offer, so when the consumer actually brings the item to the cashier to purchase, it is the consumer who is then making the offer rather than the shop owner. A subtle, but important distinction. So, when a buyer posts a 'take it', the seller can legitimately refuse that offer for whatever reason, like: "Sorry, I refuse your offer, because I forgot to officially close the thread and the book is no longer available", or "Sorry, I refuse your offer, because last night I decided I love the book and want to keep it", or "Sorry, I refuse your offer, because you are on my no-sale list", or whatever.... This would leave the control of sales threads in the hands of the seller (which seems to be what most people want), and then PL-type offenses would be limited to those cases where the buyer and seller agreed to a deal, then someone failed to perform. If we could get this one concept put into place (put it in the "terms of use" if necessary), it would seemingly resolve a whole host of scenarios.

In principle, I think it makes some sense to essentially consider threads closed after some period of inactivity. However, if we go in this direction, then we also need to relax the rule that says a seller can only bump a thread three times. Otherwise, a seller has no way to keep a "low activity" thread active. We all know that sometimes selling books is a matter of patience, so it seems like we would want to allow patient sellers to be patient, right? I'll give you a recent personal example...I have a sales thread in mixed - that thread has not seen much activity. My last post was a recap on 4/20/14. I have not closed that thread, because I don't intend for it to be closed. Those books are still for sale, but I'm following the "three bump rule" and not bumping the thread. So, just yesterday, I received a PM from a boardie asking whether the books are still for sale. My response was 'Absolutely! Purchase at will!" I've had other sales threads in G/S/B where I wasn't in a hurry, so I was fine keeping the thread open for months on end. In that case, my three bumps were at least a month apart. You know...I was hitting it with "January bump", "March bump", etc... Point here is that some threads that seem "dormant" are actually still alive in principle....we need to figure out how to accommodate these cases as part of this discussion. For example, perhaps let a seller bump a thread once a week for as long as they want to keep the thread "open"?

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