paul747

I am looking but I don't see any cases...

 

 

 

 

-slym

And I am still not mad enough to actually go long box digging ! The 1976-78 stuff is stashed heavily Even STAR WARS #1 There are guys probably on this board with HOARDS ! I could care showing pics its a pain to move so many issues I am flipped and fee'd out on this 70's stuff. So keep paying 500-2000 for copies of this stuff It will BITE YOU ! ( well maybe not NM #98 is holding up !)

there are still unopened cases of this book out there

 

 

 

 

-slym

a quick pick ... you should see the other guy...(where they came from) There are more of these out there.. Believe it !

I am staying out of this mess show. (kinda).. BUT there is that $1500.00 9.8 board sale mentioned earlier that is definitely legit ! Yes the raised price point could be a FAKE price point but in this market that is all it takes. As for Jdog love him or hate him, most of the books he has pointed out have taken a NOSE DIVE, once real sales started coming in ! Star wars #1 was maybe a little undervalued, there are still unopened cases of this book out there so we will see if it holds these prices for the long term. If these prices are sustainable I am a seller into this price point.

 

 

 

Can you get your hands on some of these cases of books?

Sure want me to make a u-tube video ? come on there are TONS of Novas , shazams, spider-woman, ms marvels all the 1977 books where hoarded like the nineties. The guys that have them are for sure breaking them open and slowly processing them into the system. I bet a couple of them are throwing out shill bids with BS eBay accounts to get the price up.

Yes, I'd love to see a video. I don't believe these unopened cases you speak of exist. I want proof.

Do you know anything about Star wars collectors? they are hoarders period ! there are unopened cases of this book out there and there are guys who have tons of copies ! the utube video was a joke ...hence the face icon.. You will have your prof keep your eye on the census, if this price point holds for a while they will be flying in to CGC.

 

If I personally had a case the last thing i would do is SHOW YOU !

I know the youtube video coment from you was a joke, I meant if anyone were to have cases of any of the books you mentioned (not just the star wars #1) I would love to see them because I don't think they exist at the volumes you say they do.

I am staying out of this mess show. (kinda).. BUT there is that $1500.00 9.8 board sale mentioned earlier that is definitely legit ! Yes the raised price point could be a FAKE price point but in this market that is all it takes. As for Jdog love him or hate him, most of the books he has pointed out have taken a NOSE DIVE, once real sales started coming in ! Star wars #1 was maybe a little undervalued, there are still unopened cases of this book out there so we will see if it holds these prices for the long term. If these prices are sustainable I am a seller into this price point.

 

 

 

Can you get your hands on some of these cases of books?

Sure want me to make a u-tube video ? come on there are TONS of Novas , shazams, spider-woman, ms marvels all the 1977 books where hoarded like the nineties. The guys that have them are for sure breaking them open and slowly processing them into the system. I bet a couple of them are throwing out shill bids with BS eBay accounts to get the price up.

Yes, I'd love to see a video. I don't believe these unopened cases you speak of exist. I want proof.

If I personally had a case the last thing i would do is SHOW YOU !

I am staying out of this mess show. (kinda).. BUT there is that $1500.00 9.8 board sale mentioned earlier that is definitely legit ! Yes the raised price point could be a FAKE price point but in this market that is all it takes. As for Jdog love him or hate him, most of the books he has pointed out have taken a NOSE DIVE, once real sales started coming in ! Star wars #1 was maybe a little undervalued, there are still unopened cases of this book out there so we will see if it holds these prices for the long term. If these prices are sustainable I am a seller into this price point.

 

 

 

Can you get your hands on some of these cases of books?

I am staying out of this mess show. (kinda).. BUT there is that $1500.00 9.8 board sale mentioned earlier that is definitely legit ! Yes the raised price point could be a FAKE price point but in this market that is all it takes. As for Jdog love him or hate him, most of the books he has pointed out have taken a NOSE DIVE, once real sales started coming in ! Star wars #1 was maybe a little undervalued, there are still unopened cases of this book out there so we will see if it holds these prices for the long term. If these prices are sustainable I am a seller into this price point.

And, I believe the label should be notated as such:

 

Annual #14- 1st full app. of Gambit. Predates #266 by 3 weeks but story take place afterwards in continuity.

 

UXM #266- 2nd app. of Gambit.1st full cover app. Predates Annual #14 in story continuity.

 

Does this sound about right??

Well then, all of these points are being made for people that don't read the books ! Even on-line sites list the annual as the first appearance.Gambit Info

Also if the x-men #266 is in continuity ahead of the X-men annual #14 It would be a situation Like Batman Adventures #12 and Batmen:Harley Quinn NN The labels should be similar to them !

X-men Annual #14 : 1st appearance of Gambit in comics (future continuity)

X-men #266 : 1st appearance of Gambit in Marvel continuity

Not W pages .

#1 9.8 listed for $1600.00

This Info is not NEW ! most have known gambit was on multiple pages in the annual ! Buy both if your a fan. This info was not just broke in this thread there have been countless conversations for years. I guess the info will be better for CGC label chasers ..

RMA or someone will chime in but I think the annual has a moderate 200,000 plus print run.

Like x-men #94 that has held up BECAUSE it was the first appearances in the X-men run, the same will be true for X-men #266 . Too most Gambit fans it will always be a key Gambit book !

One might be able to work the margins with some of these books, trimming a restored 2.0 and calling it a restored mid-grade, etc., but I don't see it as a very viable business model. Looking at the guys feedback, he sells a lot of books he claims as unrestored, so he's probably not chopping the hell out of everything.

 

I don't see how he makes money on that GL. if he really want to profit from sleazy business practices he should just keep the hard to judge pictures and give inflated grades.

I agree with the cap on grading for trimmed books ! they should never be NM+ purple

Label or not. That's just off by both companies.

As for this clown crook, the books he sells as unrestored, he is probably just popping out of lower grade slabs and upping the grade. I really can't believe all the sales and bids he has? Who is purchasing these books ?

There is absolutely no way that x-men #1 should be a 9.4 what a joke ... Good info from this thread and so upsetting... How can this guy get away with this BS

One shot will climb. It's a top Harley book to have. Great cover.

Man, I'm having issues finding a nice #180 to go with the #181.

All the prices are jacked up high on those too.

Crazy. $7k for a 180? No thanks...

 

Don't worry, you have the one that actually matters.

 

-J.

I'm just saying newstand in 1985 is different than newstand in 1998 or whenever they almost stopped selling comics at newstands.

 

$62 just didn't seem like a lot to me and i wonder if the wild interest in the book may have been assisted by someone other than someone who wanted to purchase the book given the $26 december result. or maybe not, those anniversary issues are fun and all you need are two motivated buyers as this is a book where 9.8 slabs are not growing on trees. and that is exactly it, not a whole lot special about the book, but if you have 2 people who really want it that week.....

 

i would not expect the next 2 or 3 9.8 slabs of this book that get put up on ebay to generate this much interest, but i have been wrong before.

 

Correct ! this is from mile high web site: So early direct market books should be valued way higher than newsstand ! if your into that !

 

Year % Newsstand %Direct Market

1979 94% 6%

1982 80% 20%

1986 50% 50%

1990 15% 85%

1995 10% 90%

2000 5% 95%

2005 2% 98%

2013 1% 99%

 

Take these numbers with CONSIDERABLE grains of salt!

 

 

Why would those numbers be skewed? Do you have evidence that they are?

 

Yes.

 

I took these numbers with honey mustard. I used to take them with kosher salt, because it was easier to skewer them on cast iron grill.

Lets have the facts RMA , I really would like to know, As stated those where from Mile high. Whats the actual percentages?

 

Let's consider Chuck's 1990 figures: 85% Direct Market, 15% newsstand.

 

But when we look at the print run figures from a typical book...let's say, Iron Man....we find a different picture...from Iron Man #266, the SOO for 1990:

 

Avg. copies printed: 327,728

Avg. copies sold: 198,100

Avg. copies returned: 128,878

 

Now, sold copies includes all venues, Direct and newsstand.

 

And they don't distinguish which is which. The only absolute numbers we know are 327k for total run, and 128k, which we know are ALL newsstands.

 

So, if 85% of the entire market in 1990 was Direct, that means, of the 198k sold, 168k...85%...were direct, and 29k...15%...were newsstand, according to Chuck's numbers.

 

But wait...the total number of newsstand returns was 128k. That means, they printed 157,000 newsstand copies, and of those, 128,000 were unsold??

 

That's a sell-through rate on the newsstand of only 18%!

 

Things were getting rough for the newsstand, but they weren't THAT rough. An 18% sell-through for a mainstream Marvel title in 1990 would have been absolutely unheard of. They were much closer to 30-50% sell-throughs (remember, of the NEWSSTAND copies printed) at that time.

 

There are similar numbers across the board. It's not workable for 1990, and not really even for 1995. 1986, I can buy a 50/50 split, but even 1982 is questionable.

I'm just saying newstand in 1985 is different than newstand in 1998 or whenever they almost stopped selling comics at newstands.

 

$62 just didn't seem like a lot to me and i wonder if the wild interest in the book may have been assisted by someone other than someone who wanted to purchase the book given the $26 december result. or maybe not, those anniversary issues are fun and all you need are two motivated buyers as this is a book where 9.8 slabs are not growing on trees. and that is exactly it, not a whole lot special about the book, but if you have 2 people who really want it that week.....

 

i would not expect the next 2 or 3 9.8 slabs of this book that get put up on ebay to generate this much interest, but i have been wrong before.

 

Correct ! this is from mile high web site: So early direct market books should be valued way higher than newsstand ! if your into that !

 

Year % Newsstand %Direct Market

1979 94% 6%

1982 80% 20%

1986 50% 50%

1990 15% 85%

1995 10% 90%

2000 5% 95%

2005 2% 98%

2013 1% 99%

 

Take these numbers with CONSIDERABLE grains of salt!

 

 

Why would those numbers be skewed? Do you have evidence that they are?

 

Yes.

 

I took these numbers with honey mustard. I used to take them with kosher salt, because it was easier to skewer them on cast iron grill.

I'm just saying newstand in 1985 is different than newstand in 1998 or whenever they almost stopped selling comics at newstands.

 

$62 just didn't seem like a lot to me and i wonder if the wild interest in the book may have been assisted by someone other than someone who wanted to purchase the book given the $26 december result. or maybe not, those anniversary issues are fun and all you need are two motivated buyers as this is a book where 9.8 slabs are not growing on trees. and that is exactly it, not a whole lot special about the book, but if you have 2 people who really want it that week.....

 

i would not expect the next 2 or 3 9.8 slabs of this book that get put up on ebay to generate this much interest, but i have been wrong before.

Correct ! this is from mile high web site: So early direct market books should be valued way higher than newsstand ! if your into that !

Year % Newsstand %Direct Market

1979 94% 6%

1982 80% 20%

1986 50% 50%

1990 15% 85%

1995 10% 90%

2000 5% 95%

2005 2% 98%

2013 1% 99%

Another buy it now STAR WARS #1 in CGC 9.8 popped up on ebay for $1,699. I wonder if it will sell at that price?

 

Sold for $1,575 best offer.

Their are stores that had cases of this book. It has to be higher than 3000 copies. Maybe I am wrong but 3000 seems low. In my area they did not destroy them .

Someone hit all of those showcase #75 books today... Like ten of them. News ?

Crazy ! the money spent on what's going to be just an average variant in a sea of 1,000,000. Copy's...

Ted was great to deal with ! easy transaction and nice guy ! A++++++++++++

Marvel Age is a preview book.

 

Let me say that again: Marvel Age is a preview book.

 

It is not a traditional comic book (with exceptions) that tells a story in words and pictures. It is a preview book. It was designed to showcase upcoming Marvel publications, so that people would be interested in them and buy them.

 

Therefore, unless it contains original material that is not reprinted elsewhere (and cover don't count), it does not contain any "first appearances" or "cameo appearances" or anything of that sort, and shouldn't be marketed as if it does.

 

That doesn't mean it's not collectable...sure it is...but there are no "this is really the first appearance of Character X!"

 

Context is all-important.

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