paul747

10 minutes ago, paqart said:

Except for the postal numbers reflecting average copies distributed found there but you forgot about those. Look, you enjoy being the representative of bitter honest truth but I think it's fair and healthy to take the edge off your criticism. Taken at face value, your comments are paralyzing and no good comes of that. For instance, you seem to love to complain about Benjamin Nobel and his wordpress page, rarecomics.com. I mention the full name of both for your benefit btw. If it wasn't for that guy's page, I wouldn't be buying comics today. Put another way, I wouldn't be deriving the tremendous enjoyment I am currently getting out of this hobby if he hadn't pointed out some things I hadn't given any thought to previously. Your arguments against him are so much snake oil compared to that. Maybe he's wrong about some things. So what? Maybe other people are also. Again, so what? I read once that cookies aren't good for you but I eat them anyway. So what? I understand, you want to police this forum, but outside the forum, people will do as they please. Within the forum, your arguments are less likely to convince than to turn people away. You can have the pleasure of making the argument but without the knowledge that it was convincing.

If, on the other hand, you had less of an adamantine resolve to pounce on every perceived injustice to "THE FACTS" as you like to write it, you might be more convincing. I've already decided you are too biased to take seriously. Convince me otherwise.

AMEN!

On 10/18/2019 at 9:27 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

Hi! Late last month, in a post which I don't think should be reposted since it was removed from the board, you said "...please put me on ignore. I hope I never have to interact with you again." I have honored your request, and would ask that you honor your word.

Thanks.

 

block me bud!  That way you don't have to see my responses to the controlling garbage i read, or button hump like you did last time...

I would say , to speculate, that if comic cron says 10,000 ordered , shipped or whatever and there is a 1:10 variant for that particular comic, I would guess that one case of that variant would be  ordered, so its possible that it was a  200 book case (example) making the variant really a 1:5 but only 50 percent of the retailers  qualified  to purchase the variant (example). After the standard damage percentages and whatever else, the remainder of the variants end up in a marvel sale or a back handed retailer deal.  I would also say that with the higher print runs , using math like 1:50 of 50,000 books is a total of a 1000 variant books printed, that math and that number is probably an over estimate. I am sure that not every retailer qualified.My GUESS would be that less than 1000 were ordered. To say that no one knows exactly what is printed is a true statement, but to think for a minute that you cant use common sense and estimate is wacky. Publishers have a system in place to save money and to save associated costs! They use percentage formulas and are dialed in on their methods. I trust that they know what they are doing . I bet some of these estimating methods are closer than people think.  If you want to think that marvel is printing 10,000 more books over the reported numbers that's your choice , throw that into you own formula. I am not stating anything other than I have a certain formula I use to put an understanding on estimating print runs. Its all mine and I don't share it with anyone, I do however usually do my homework. Again just estimating and using probability, never pushing anything as FACTS! EVER!. I definitely always try to over estimate to give the benefit of the unknown equations.  I will say that sometimes if i am even close on the over estimates, the publisher probably took a bath!  So if you want to estimate or speculate feel free. Also ask questions, talk to diamond, talk to industry insiders and gather Intel. In this day and age a lot of retailers actually have experience dealing with artists and printers ask them questions about their orders. People can say and do whatever they want to do , What you listen to or believe is entirely up to you.

On 10/17/2019 at 7:41 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

Oh, and by the way....

A dirty little industry secret? Publishers can go, and HAVE gone, back to press on books when they've discovered they don't have enough.

It's now a piece of cake. Diamond calls up whomever is their liaison at the publisher, says "we were shorted X amount of this, can you send them out next week?" And VOILA! X amount of copies are ordered at the printer, and show up the next week.

And those copies are identical to all the rest.

No "second printing" notation, or any other change made. That's one of the reasons why the publishers make no promises to anyone about 1. how many they make, and 2. whether or not they are limited in any way...it leaves them free to go back to press for anything they want. And this comes from a publisher which deals in retailer incentives on a weekly basis.

proof?

On 10/16/2019 at 3:49 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

No. This has all been debunked over and over again. 

really? where has this been debunked?

On 10/11/2019 at 5:47 PM, Lethal_Collector said:

Yea, thats a good start, some of those books would apply with their non-variant counterpart like Wolvie #145, he still gets his adamantiam back in the 1st print too    

And like you said easier access to sales, but the thread would also be about big events, not just the high dollar issues   Is Watchmen #1 still considered (thee) first MA book and the Death of Supes the end of Copper?

 

Jerome

I like those also. The link listed is an outdated list. they have a more recent one.

5 minutes ago, adzy1981 said:

2 Amazing Fantasy 15's for sale

(listed on other auction sites, I have reduced the price if I do not have to pay the usual 10% fee all comic book auction sites employ)

I have purchased both these books (from Comiclink) within the last year 

I am looking to sell these books as I am going to put towards a deposit on a house.

All reasonable offers will be considered.

I live in Northern Ireland 

I have:

1. Amazing Fantasy 15 CGC 5.0, Cream to off White Pages (1197050001)   Price I am looking for $42,500

 

2. Amazing Fantasy 15 CGC 4.5, White Pages (1278980001)   Price I am looking for $34,000

 

I have 3 other vintage comic books, though none are nearly as valuable

 

Acceptable Payments would be Bank Transfer, Paypal or Cheque (cheque would need to clear before postage)

NIce books! but... you need to look into the selling

12 minutes ago, First Upgrade said:

GPA has the 2013 'High Sale' price of $750 for a Universal label 9.8, Ms. Marvel #1...

The 2019 'Low Sale' price for a Universal label 9.8, Ms. Marvel #1 is $1,009...the sale, 'happened' yesterday...

Summer is now gone. We are still in uncontrolled free fall of this books resale value...

Definitely a free fall. Ill take a nice UK variant copy.

19 minutes ago, porcupine48 said:

The Amazing Fantasy original thread was a really big one,but not sure if it made it so high in numbers.

Other ones I can think of are pif or rak

Also 

1 hour ago, valiantman said:

Hey @FlyingDonut - we all saw where you chastised paul747 for saying "your a tool box".

He was right and you were wrong.

How do I know?  Because I have a picture of your a tool box right here:

...and I've got pictures of your b tool box, your c tool box, all of them.

I think you owe someone an apology. 

They lock threads for spelling errors?

13 hours ago, steveinthecity said:

Just curious where the 5% number comes from?  I've been wondering about certain print runs(particularly Archie) for several years now.  Mostly to better understand the smaller publishers business models and how to best guesstimate total copies printed vs. sell through.

RMA has very valid points. It definitely is an educated guess. But its your choice to figure out how to estimate it. Back in the past with statement of ownership, subscriptions, multiple distributors, foreign distribution  and newsstands it seems like it definitely is a lot harder to put a solid estimate on the print run. I believe personally that since the times of Diamond as the only distribution and the F.O. cutoff system, it is easier to take an educated guess that includes hear say from industry insiders. I would never personally put a hard number on it . I also definitely know how to discern comic cron numbers.

RMA wants to give the correct exact information and i don't believe that will happen. It would be great if he put some of his writing skills and energy into getting some facts from some credible sources. I have zero vendettas!

50 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

I responded to @Readcomix...not you. Nobody said this was "about me." As @500Club and others have said, your comments are inappropriate and inaccurate.

OMG

5 hours ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

Who said it was a "shot in the dark system" (whatever that means)...? Who said it "couldn't be speculated on"...? 

No one.

But "they do print off of the final order number"...ok. How? What is their "system"? Got any documentation? How do the Comichron numbers...which report only a MONTH BY MONTH sales tally (that is, if they sell more copies on the SECOND month, it's not reported in the sales numbers for the FIRST)...determine what the publisher decided to print...? How do you account for the massive sales that the publishers have of unsold copies from time to time, months after publication, and how do those unsold copies relate to the supposed "print run"...? And what about the sales of these copies outside of North America, where there is a not-insubstantial market for English language American comics...?

It's a bad argument. No one but the publishers and their printers know how many copies they print. Citing Comichron's SALES numbers and correlating them to PRINT runs makes as much sense as estimating the number of cars Ford makes in a model year by the number of sales of those cars in North America.

There's nothing wrong with estimating. But we ought to use the correct terminology and caveats to do so. Where is the controversy in that? When you don't, you confuse people who don't know better.

You responded to this! this was not about you. the broken record is straight facts !

43 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

Yes. People do not understand it's like a guideline type of thing, because the people who repeat misinformation don't say "this is a guideline type of thing." Surely you're aware that there are new people reading this board on a daily basis, who don't know these things...right?

Why are people willing to accept the garbage of stating things that aren't true, correct, accurate?

There's nothing wrong with saying "Comichron reports sales of..." 

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 This is a reasonable quote. from someone that's in touch with the business.   i would bet many print runs are not much over 20 percent of final order cutoff. just a guess sue me !

50 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

1. There's a difference between an "argument" and "arguing." They mean different things. 

2. Your response is not measured, rational, or reasonable. As an example, I did not post a picture of a "broken record" in response to your comment to someone else. You did to me. Yet, you claim I "goated" you...? You did precisely what you accuse me of doing. I could say much more, but it's not tolerated.

3. It is important for everyone to understand things properly. As @500Club stated, continuing to repeat wrong information confuses people who don't know better. 

Take care.

STOP, you want my number you can say whatever you want bro.

3 hours ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

Who said it was a "shot in the dark system" (whatever that means)...? Who said it "couldn't be speculated on"...? 

No one.

But "they do print off of the final order number"...ok. How? What is their "system"? Got any documentation? How do the Comichron numbers...which report only a MONTH BY MONTH sales tally (that is, if they sell more copies on the SECOND month, it's not reported in the sales numbers for the FIRST)...determine what the publisher decided to print...? How do you account for the massive sales that the publishers have of unsold copies from time to time, months after publication, and how do those unsold copies relate to the supposed "print run"...? And what about the sales of these copies outside of North America, where there is a not-insubstantial market for English language American comics...?

It's a bad argument. No one but the publishers and their printers know how many copies they print. Citing Comichron's SALES numbers and correlating them to PRINT runs makes as much sense as estimating the number of cars Ford makes in a model year by the number of sales of those cars in North America.

There's nothing wrong with estimating. But we ought to use the correct terminology and caveats to do so. Where is the controversy in that? When you don't, you confuse people who don't know better.

dude stop. You keep saying the same things, you goat people into heated discussions so you can write in circles, hence the broken record and to not get the "shot in the dark" analogy

But "they do print off of the final order number"...ok. How? What is their "system"? Got any documentation? DO YOU? would it make any business sense to you to double the final order number? they started the system because they where getting killed on profit. please man ask someone! How do the Comichron numbers...which report only a MONTH BY MONTH sales tally (that is, if they sell more copies on the SECOND month, it's not reported in the sales numbers for the FIRST)...determine what the publisher decided to print...?DID I SAY THEY DID? How do you account for the massive sales MASSIVE as far as titles, but many of the books in these sales are only hundreds of copies ! fact . that the publishers have of unsold copies from time to time,Well i think and have heard that they order a damage percentage and a percentage over the final order cut-off to cover other things and that those numbers also correlate to case pack counts. If they don't use the damage percentage and don't sell them on the diamond system after x amount of time they become surplus over stock.please please prove that's not correct. months after publication, and how do those unsold copies relate to the supposed "print run"... I don't recall stating this? Actually i did not bring up any of this you have! but since you asked i would say that i would definitely consider the extra books as part of the print run And what about the sales of these copies outside of North America, where there is a not-insubstantial market for English language American comics...? Who knows , all i have said is that there is a system and its not guessing! (not a shot in the dark) I think the industry guys will tell you foreign sales are usually a pretty basic percentage of us sales. Have you ever asked anyone any of these questions? do you know?

It's a bad argument. Your the only one arguing ! No one but the publishers and their printers know how many copies they print. Citing Comichron's SALES numbers and correlating them to PRINT runs makes as much sense as estimating the number of cars Ford makes in a model year by the number of sales of those cars in North America. Who did that? me?

There's nothing wrong with estimating. But we ought to use the correct terminology and caveats to do so. Where is the controversy in that? When you don't, you confuse people who don't know better. THAT'S NOT YOUR CALL! Tell us everything you know bro! Tell us Boss, the right language. Also while you are at your internet typing why don't you contact some people that actually do know some of these things so you can stop speculating on arguments. Honesty writing and arguing points with you is just not worth anything, its such a waste of time.

I was also referring to bright something about the shot in the dark comment, when he claimed that MANY MANY more where printed. But of course it became about you.

7 hours ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

Comichron reports north american sales, not print runs, which are industry secrets.

They do print off of the final order number, they have a system! it is not a shot in the dark system. No one can claim x amount was printed, but It can definitely be speculated on.

I started to notice some action in the FF inhuman books . I then found this  https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/marvel-waiting-agents-shield-reboot-inhumans/  

Is this legit?

Marvel Premiere 1

On 8/24/2019 at 11:16 AM, fastballspecial said:

I hope kamilla finds an audience otherwise all these buyers paying big money for that book are screwed. It sure didnt sell well monthly.

She had a huge audience and sold more trades than anyone .

2 hours ago, october said:

It will burn out at some point, but it's going to take much longer than you expect.

Nobody paid tens of billions for the intellectual property rights to Western characters. Disney is going to produce this stuff until we are LONG gone.

I have a totally different view. I believe that comics will exist but evolve. I think the new way kids and basically everyone will digest new runs and comic book stories will be thru streaming media like Disney plus. I think streaming will end up being runs and multiple stories and crossovers. Like mentioned by October this will be going on for a very long time. Comic book collecting is so much more than the rule of 25 or even enjoying comics as a medium. Comic book semi-keys and Keys are major investments now for many people. People that never even have read a comic book! Whatever medium these characters entertain in, there will always be value in their perspective key origins, especially Marvel characters and Disney. In my opinion there will be dips and climbs but Key comic books are here to stay and will only be more sought after. Movies will not matter! these companies will keep this IP alive forever.  I also believe DC will find a forever umbrella like Marvel has with Disney .. If we look at current prices and compare prices even 5 years from now, I think now will look cheap, at least for gold keys , high grade silver keys and high grade bronze keys.

12 hours ago, Bart Allen said:

1. Marvelman

2. The Real Ghostbusters #1

3. Special Marvel Edition #15 (still isn't too expensive)

4. New X-Men 133.

5. Tales to Astonish 62 - WHICH IS SOO CHEAP like WHYYY?

But I'm still suck on some Silver Age keys ~

Is It Tales To Astonish 62 or 63?

53 minutes ago, Howling Mad said:

What's frustrating about this list is that virtually all of the high-movers, sans FF1, FF5, and X-Men 1, either held steady or decreased in value on the open market. Showcase 4 and 22 have dipped lately, and certainly Action Comics 242 and 252.

Dipped in low grade? mostly steady or climbing in high grade.

On 7/26/2019 at 1:51 PM, Shoomanfoo said:

Very well said. There's alot of people just reaching at straws to play down the importance of a female Thor.

I actually read comics and I read that entire arc.

I'm one of those people that was pissed about a female Thor but the reception was actually very well and many people were vested.

I remember not even being able to find variants the day of release at my comic shop. 

 

Was very big with investor spec as well as actual readers.

Even all the bad press was good press...now here we are.

Its also DISNEY!! dont think for one minute that comics went global on their own. Disney is worldwide, not one Disney/marvel character should be overlooked. this is just the start.