Darkowl

Someone has got to me fill me in. In the X-Men cartoon, Bishop goes back in time to prevent Xavier's death, correct? Isn't the title of this cartoon, Days of Future Past?

Uncanny X-Men 141/142 is the original DOFP storyline. Bishop hadn't even been created yet. What am I missing? Did this story pick back up later on in the comics?

How can it be a spoiler when I haven't seen it yet?

 

This is fanboy guessing.

 

 

 

 

-slym

Don't lie, Slym. We all know you have the inside scoop.

So did anyone else notice that Xavier was able to punch Magneto in the face? How is he able to do that? Shouldn't it be more of a crotch shot after the end of First Class?

Yeah,

Absolutely amazing. The characters, without exception, all look great. I disliked Quicksilver initially but I like what they did with him even in that short clip. I am optimistic for this movie.

 

The Sentinels look "great"?

 

They definitely don't look like Sentinels.

 

Apparently they had to make them look that way to appeal to the masses.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, it is the masses that make the movies popular.

 

This is true and apparently they'll swallow any piece of garbage thrown at them

Ain't that the truth. When is Hollywood going to give Bat in the Sun their own blockbuster budget???

Just watched the new trailer and am definitely excited for the movie! Looks like Colossus might get some more screen time which would be nice. I think this is gonna be a good one!

 

The Sentinels look like the weak link to me, but even they don't look horrible. Just kind of average.

I wasn't all that impressed by the sentinels either (they look cooler in the comics). We'll see though!

Didn't see this posted here yet... notice, at the 2:08 mark (roughly), wolverine is slicing a dude with his bone claws - yet they make a distinctly metallic noise. Sound guy screwed up?

 

Thank you for posting!!!

Had to watch that twice! Thanks for posting!

Lauren Shuler Donner really just needs to stop.

Nope, just another character in the early '80s.

 

 

Who said that?

 

You know know that's essentially what someone is saying when they say he was not a star and had a lot of ground to cover before he became one.

 

Despite repeated requests, you seem completely incapable of not talking about me, so I'll simply reply when you've said things that are not true.

 

This is an example.

 

This brings me back to Jr. High

 

I agree completely. When someone repeatedly asks you to stop making the conversation about them, and they refuse? Classic Jr. high school behavior.

 

How about we all be men, agree to disagree, and call it truths?

 

I "agreed to disagree" with delekkerste several days ago, and have not engaged him on this topic since. You might have missed that. I assume you mean "truce"...?

Yes, thank you. "Truce".

Nope, just another character in the early '80s.

 

 

Who said that?

 

You know know that's essentially what someone is saying when they say he was not a star and had a lot of ground to cover before he became one.

 

Despite repeated requests, you seem completely incapable of not talking about me, so I'll simply reply when you've said things that are not true.

 

This is an example.

 

This brings me back to Jr. High

 

I agree completely. When someone repeatedly asks you to stop making the conversation about them, and they refuse? Classic Jr. high school behavior.

How about we all be men, agree to disagree, and call it truths?

Nope, just another character in the early '80s.

 

 

Who said that?

 

You know know that's essentially what someone is saying when they say he was not a star and had a lot of ground to cover before he became one.

 

Despite repeated requests, you seem completely incapable of not talking about me, so I'll simply reply when you've said things that are not true.

 

This is an example.

 

This brings me back to Jr. High

People always talk about me....

Yeah, but you can take it like a champ.

Nope, just another character in the early '80s.

 

 

Who said that?

 

You know know that's essentially what someone is saying when they say he was not a star and had a lot of ground to cover before he became one.

 

Despite repeated requests, you seem completely incapable of not talking about me, so I'll simply reply when you've said things that are not true.

 

This is an example.

This brings me back to Jr. High

Mainstream appeal shouldn't matter anyways...Iron Man really wasn't known to the masses until the first movie.

 

Hmm that's a better topic: Who is currently more popular Iron Man or Wolverine??

 

In the comic-book world, in the movie-world, or in the mainstream world?

 

 

 

 

-slym

Yeah, really. This has gotten out of hand.

Wolverine just ripped off Timber Wolf.

 

And the Pixies just ripped off Husker Du.

 

"Francis says he was listening to nothing but Hüsker Dü" - Wiki

I think its pretty clear that Wolverine was "white hot" in 1983, but I think this is exclusive to the comic book world. Outside of that world, people who didn't collect comics could tell you who Spidey was, but probably not Wolverine. So If this is the point that Chuck and RMA are trying to make,

 

Come on, who would be stupid enough to try and "make that point"?

 

Superman and Batman have been around since 1930's-40's and Spider-man has been in the public eye since 1962, and each have had multiple TV shows/movie serials. That's some serious longevity, and several generations of media exposure for the DC capes.

 

By 1983, Wolverine had only been around 9 short years, with zero TV shows, so obviously the far more established heroes with decades of history and media exposure behind them would be more popular and well-known with the general populace. That's just basic logic, not any "point that needs to be made".

 

Jesus guys.

 

That's where the goal posts were shifting

 

Biggest X-Men, Very Hot Comic Character, Hot Outside of Comic Collectors

I think its pretty clear that Wolverine was "white hot" in 1983, but I think this is exclusive to the comic book world. Outside of that world, people who didn't collect comics could tell you who Spidey was, but probably not Wolverine. So If this is the point that Chuck and RMA are trying to make,

 

Come on, who would be stupid enough to try and "make that point"?

 

"Because generally when people talk about a band or a song or a comic character or a TV show that's 'white hot' they usually are meaning it in a breakthrough mainstream way."

-Chuck Gower

I really don't know If Chuck was arguing that though.

Mainstream appeal shouldn't matter anyways...Iron Man really wasn't known to the masses until the first movie.

 

Hmm that's a better topic: Who is currently more popular Iron Man or Wolverine??

In the mainstream, I think it's definitely Iron Man. In the comics world, I think it will always be Wolverine.

It seems the goalposts of the "Wolverine wasn't the most popular/significant X-man until the late 80's" have changed. Now he has to be recognized by the mainstream non-comics audience or be "white hot"?

 

This.

 

When the discussion was going on, I didn't think it was in relation to what the "real world" thought. I thought we were discussing within the fanboy realm.

 

Oh well, not the first or last time I'll miss a point.

+1

Because generally when people talk about a band or a song or a comic character or a TV show that's 'white hot' they usually are meaning it in a breakthrough mainstream way.

The Pixies probably reached some fan polls #1's and a portion of there audience considered them 'white hot', but 90% of the country didn't have a clue who they were. (I love the Pixies. I knew who they were).

When I opened my own shop in Jackson, MO in early 1994, I tried to convince anyone that came in that Hellboy was 'hot' and they really should buy it and check it out. Was I wrong? I loved it personally, I talked to other people outside the area that loved it, it was getting notice, it would go on to BE a big deal... Was it then?

 

I suppose the definition of White Hot could be based on relative context, especially since it's slang. I cant speak for everyone here, but I'm under the impression that the people who think Wolverine was white hot in 1983 were using that term for Wolvie's status only in the comic book world. I could be wrong, though.

It definitely seemed like 90% of the country didn't know who the Pixies were, which boggles my mind, because they had a tremendous influence on many, many musicians. I don't know what portion of their fan base considered them white hot either, but given the amount of impact they had, I could only imagine that It would be the popular consensus. It seems like 90% of the country still doesn't know who the Pixies are (aside from your average concert goer, and Fight Club fan), and It seems like the only time I can ever talk about the Pixies to anyone is If I'm in a record store, or a concert, or in some rare cases, a comic book forum.

You'll have to elaborate on your Hellboy point a bit more for me. I'm not sure If I'm following the significance of it. It's late, and I need to go to bed...maybe that's why.

This has been mentioned before, but perhaps its the terminology that we're all getting tripped up on. On the other hand, maybe not.

I think its pretty clear that Wolverine was "white hot" in 1983, but I think this is exclusive to the comic book world. Outside of that world, people who didn't collect comics could tell you who Spidey was, but probably not Wolverine. So If this is the point that Chuck and RMA are trying to make, I would have to agree. In fact, Wolverine still hasnt reached the same notoriety level as Spidey or Supes (but its close). I bet if I were to make a poll for baby boomers, there would be more people who have no clue who Wolverine is, but I bet most of them could tell you who Spidey is, or even better, could tell you who Superman is.

However, when trying to prove how hot a comic book character is, Im not sure it necessarily matters how well known that particular character is outside the comic book world. Take rock bands for example. The Pixies were one of the biggest underground bands ever (some would argue they are mainstream). They influenced many bands that reached huge household/main stream status, including Nirvana. They were "white hot" in the eyes of Kurt Cobain, and many other popular musicians. In the musician world, they were "white hot", no questions asked (and it doesn't even matter how many records they sold). Outside of the musicians world, most people wouldn't be able to tell you who the Pixies were. I think this type of status was very similar to Wolverine in 1983. In the comic book world, he was a grade A badazz. Outside of that world, his notoriety was largely diminished.

If Chuck and RMA are arguing that Wolverine wasn't the shiznit in 1983 in the comic book world as everyone else seems to recall, I think the evidence combined with the memories of my fellow boardies, significantly point in the other direction. In fact, Im not even sure how this could accurately be debated for so long.

I want this...

UXM #133 was EPIC.

What a great issue.

 

The final panel in #132 was great as well.

 

This is the exact panel that made him my favourite character...in any medium.

 

This to me is the most iconic image of Wolverine. For me his defining moment comes in the following issue where he tears through the Hellfire Club. Granted we had glimpses of the Wolverine we all know today before before this point. The porn mag incident in 129 is one of my favorite moments.

 

I always felt that if Wolverine didn't appear in GSX 1 he would have wound up being a character like the Constrictor or something.

 

It was previously mentioned that Byrne also saved Wolverine from being written out of the book after just a short time. Cockrum wasn't that high on the character and unlike many of the other new X-Men at the time had no hand in his creation. It's not surprising at all that Wolverine appears on so few covers during issues 94-200. Cockrum by far did the most covers during this run. He continued to do many covers once Byrne had taken over the interiors. Cockrum then took over the book again once Byrne left. During the pre Byrne run of issues 94-107 Wolverine only appears on the cover 4 times and only once is he prominently featured. Basing Wolverine popularity with readers by cover appearances that were mostly done by an artist that didn't particularly like the character is weak at best.

 

This to me is when Wolverine cut his teeth, and just plain cut others.

 

 

I really need to go back and read these stories.

UXM #133 was EPIC.

What a great issue.

 

The final panel in #132 was great as well.

 

This is the exact panel that made him my favourite character...in any medium.

This is the Wolverine I quickly grew to love.

1986 was about Miller because Batman wasn't as popular as he was in 1989.

 

Wolverine was at a peak in popularity at that point in time. Not the peak but a peak. So was Miller (he was the hottest thing since sliced bread) but I don't think it was a co-incidence that Wolvie was chosen for Miller's project.

 

I do realize that Miller had a fascination with Japanese culture.

 

That still doesn't mean Wolvie wasn't popular.

 

Anybody have guide values for Hulk #181 to see what prices were in 1980 - 1990?

 

 

 

 

You made me dig out my old Overstreets.

 

OPG 10 (80/81) $3.75

OPG 11 (81/82) $5.25

OPG 12 (82/83) $16.00

OPG 13 can't find my copy

OPG 14 (84/85) $20.00

OPG 15 (85/86) $24.00

OPG 16 (86/87) $24.00

OPG 17 (87/88) $32.00

OPG 18 (88/89) $36.00

OPG 19 (89/90) $75.00

 

What this shows is steady increases except after the mini-series when it triples and between 18 and 19 when it doubles. My recollection is that Hulk #181 sold for double OPG if not more during the early 80s.

Marty McFly could have used that book.....

 

 

Back to the Future

Have you seen this?

I have! It's great!

1986 was about Miller because Batman wasn't as popular as he was in 1989.

 

Wolverine was at a peak in popularity at that point in time. Not the peak but a peak. So was Miller (he was the hottest thing since sliced bread) but I don't think it was a co-incidence that Wolvie was chosen for Miller's project.

 

I do realize that Miller had a fascination with Japanese culture.

 

That still doesn't mean Wolvie wasn't popular.

 

Anybody have guide values for Hulk #181 to see what prices were in 1980 - 1990?

 

 

 

 

You made me dig out my old Overstreets.

 

OPG 10 (80/81) $3.75

OPG 11 (81/82) $5.25

OPG 12 (82/83) $16.00

OPG 13 can't find my copy

OPG 14 (84/85) $20.00

OPG 15 (85/86) $24.00

OPG 16 (86/87) $24.00

OPG 17 (87/88) $32.00

OPG 18 (88/89) $36.00

OPG 19 (89/90) $75.00

 

What this shows is steady increases except after the mini-series when it triples and between 18 and 19 when it doubles. My recollection is that Hulk #181 sold for double OPG if not more during the early 80s.

That's truly awesome. I was waiting for someone to post this. Amazing how much this book goes for now.