Peter G

Hi Bronty, I agree with your point about the "average person" that is a non-collector will not understand these prices at all. But that isn't really surprising because the "average person" that is a non-collector would probably not understand how prices operate for ANY art in the art market - including masterpieces from the Renaissance to more modern art like WArhol or pollock. As well as comic art and MTG. The average person doesn't know how price discovery works for any art. My point was directed more towards the transition of these pieces of art from niche collectibles into "art" that maintains its price appreciation over the long run, say 100 years from now. In order for somebody to have the confidence to pay millions of dollars for a piece of art it will be required to show that the franchise can withstand the true test of time and remain relevant and significant. I see comic characters as already having shown their resilience and popularity over almost 100 years in our culture while MTG art as still young and needing more time to make the transition. To be clear, this is not a slam in MTG potential. Nor do I want to wade into the debate into "what is art ". My point was merely to draw the distinction between comic oa and MTG art and where price points are in each cycle right now. I see what you're saying. The average person will see the historical significance of Spider-Man, Batman, etc, whereas Magic doesn't have that kind of following. A lot of it depends on Magic's staying power. Whether or not it branches out into something bigger. But it is big enough for a lot of these earlier pieces to bring six figures based on how many fans there are now, in the present day. Nobody can predict the future,( that I'm aware of) and in 10 years, or 100 years Magic could fade into obscurity, and the prices will drop permanently. Money aside, I'd rather have any alpha cards OA then any Picasso, Monet, Pollock, etc. To each their own. Exactly. My attitude is buy what you like but be prepared to take a loss and have the art on your walls forever. I too would rather own a piece of art that has meaning to me then just buy art because somebody tells me that its "good". I think that is why comic OA has such amazing potential because with the movies and globalization, there are many people that like the comic genre. And to Bronty's point - it's nearly impossible to predict anything so far into the future. Will Spider-Man remain popular ? New mutants ? MTG ? Who really knows anything ?

Hi Bronty, I agree with your point about the "average person" that is a non-collector will not understand these prices at all. But that isn't really surprising because the "average person" that is a non-collector would probably not understand how prices operate for ANY art in the art market - including masterpieces from the Renaissance to more modern art like WArhol or pollock. As well as comic art and MTG. The average person doesn't know how price discovery works for any art. My point was directed more towards the transition of these pieces of art from niche collectibles into "art" that maintains its price appreciation over the long run, say 100 years from now. In order for somebody to have the confidence to pay millions of dollars for a piece of art it will be required to show that the franchise can withstand the true test of time and remain relevant and significant. I see comic characters as already having shown their resilience and popularity over almost 100 years in our culture while MTG art as still young and needing more time to make the transition. To be clear, this is not a slam in MTG potential. Nor do I want to wade into the debate into "what is art ". My point was merely to draw the distinction between comic oa and MTG art and where price points are in each cycle right now.

There is "some" truth to that but in fairness I think it depends on the piece of original comic art and it's nicheness. Yeah, some people would scratch their head for prices paid in a "New Mutants" cover as an example but maybe "get" the significance of a 30s "Batman" cover or 60s "Spider-Man" cover. I think us comic art enthusiasts appreciate all of this stuff but the pieces that transcend just the enthusiasts has the potential for unbelievable price appreciation. And once you get into the speculation game, prices move up in a hierarchy of investables that will rest every 20 years as people get better perspective on significance. I am not saying the demand for "black lotus" at 100k isn't there but where a piece of MTG goes in the longer run is the truth test of MTG and it's longevity.

These are beautiful.

I remember the Punisher movie with Dolph Lungren back in the day What a nightmare How could you possibly not love this The movie was unwatchable Went straight to VHS Remember that I watched 15 minutes of it and turned it off

I remember the Punisher movie with Dolph Lungren back in the day What a nightmare

1993-2000 was a bust Only because the art and stories were terrible, no movies, no proper marketing of the industry because ownership of Marvel at that time could careless. I think we are way past that stage even though I think that the current art and stories [generally speaking] is horrific. The movies today are fantastic though !

1993-2000 was a bust 1993-1997 were some of the biggest growth years for SA and GA comics, so I'm not sure what you were monitoring. Record highs were happening at every show and every auction in those years. The latter couple years of that decade had a slowdown not the middle part. I remember stagnation. But I wasnt buying, just observing. Perhaps my opinions of the market were inaccurate.

I remember those books chopped around the 40k-80k mark in those years It was slow going but they were best of breed and did move up even if slightly

1993-2000 was a bust

Action comics 1 unrestored, 7 above 5.0 unrestored Det 27unrestored Superman 1 above 5.0 unrestored Batman 1 7.0 or above unrestored Cap1 7.0 or above unrestored...six for me Not sure about the Cap 1 Otherwise, I agree

Well, I aint buying it so I guess take that for what its worth But I do love it

Indeed I dont think that was intended as a positive

or at least reasonable

100k seems cheap No ?

This comic boom reminds me of the early 90s.

Just finished reading. Wow.

This x100 x1000 + 1

The rule of thumb is buy the nicest conditioned copy you can afford ...if lower condition of a higher value is best you can buy then do it. Same with higher condition of a lower value. If it's a question of only affording one, go with book you want more Thanks I will take a garbage Action 1 before I would buy a Mint "New Mutants"99 But thats just me

I am beginning to suspect this poster may actually be Mikey Carbonaro taking the out of all of us http://static6.imagecollect.com/preview/3317/9555f723b2d5588

I don't understand why he has to even be a dealer at this stage Why not just collect for fun and be long on the investments ? Buy quality and enjoy the fun of the hobby Learn the market And in due course, the age and experience to become a dealer will follow

http://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/fred-ray-action-comics-45-cover-superman-original-art-dc-1942-/p/7152-164001.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

my dad told me that as well and I mentioned before my previous mistakes are overpaying so I'm learning to pay less for comics but turn them for a higher profit margin. Ok kid. Good Luck. Sincerely wish you the best. In due course, hopefully you learn to avoid pitfalls. Try to go to conventions and get a feel for the market is my advice. Maybe just build up an inventory and collect and worry less about flipping books until you have more experience