427Impaler

Only two hours left on this signed piece!

Nice splash page from John Wayne Adventures #2 ending Nov 19 Heritage Dallas Auction.  Signed by both artists.

link: Williamson/Frazetta splash page

Currently boxed and destined for Clink, but I will do a sharp price for any one interested.  ASM 50, 4.0 Universal, UK price variant.  Looks much higher but cbc keeps it at 4.0.  One just sold a bit over 900, this one is $700 shipped.

I’ll pull it out of the box and send pics if anyone is interested.

Miss Fury #8, nice fresh 7.5 slab.  An 8.0 sold for 3700 last year. Quick sale at $1750 shipped in North America

On 10/18/2022 at 8:00 PM, 427Impaler said:

Book 3, Tales From The Crypt 24, CGC 4.0.  Presents much higher but had glue around top staple that had to be removed resulting in slight paper loss but still attached

 

price: $800

Sold

Book 3, Tales From The Crypt 24, CGC 4.0.  Presents much higher but had glue around top staple that had to be removed resulting in slight paper loss but still attached

price: SOLD

Terms of sale:

PayPal preferred (within 24 hours unless prior arrangements)

Shipping included in continental North America

No return on CGC slabs

I have lots of references here and elsewhere (available on request), purchase with confidence

First book:  Human Torch #22, 4.0 Universal, recent sale at $920.00,  

Sell at $750 shipped

On 10/5/2022 at 10:21 AM, Changer said:

always wondered on his collabs, was Frazetta the inker? 

Correct!  Frazetta inks on Williamson pencils

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Shipping in North America included

No returns (graded)

I gave many references here and on IG.

$2100 shipped

On 8/24/2022 at 11:23 AM, namisgr said:

A decade after your whitening treatment, I wonder about the suppleness and flexibility of the paper, as well as how well it retains the whitening.  It's certainly a visually impressive and appealing effect.

 

Legitimate questions and of course the main reason for the varied types of storage and testing.  The whitening is a nice benefit but the main focus is longevity of paper and stability.  
 

I’ve done my own personal testing on artificial aging, lignin content, etc.  Of course those results don’t hold much water in the public domain hence all the third party testing underway.  The oldest test piece shows the same suppleness and fold resistance as when it was first treated, as third party results come in I will be happy to show them here regardless of success or failure

On 8/22/2022 at 7:17 PM, Jaylam said:

 Well, let's hope that a year from now something like this doesn't suddenly happen to a book so treated.....

 

 

 

Lol, that is exactly what is going to happen to all books (or any paper items rich in lignin) over time without improvements in conservation science.

10 years of comic book and other paper artifact test subjects are still part of the research.  Some raw and unprotected, some in various types of storage: Mylar, poly, slabbed, vacuum sealed.  So far none have exploded😄

Hi, been busy and away from the boards for a while.  While I have not tried the process on OA pieces I have used it on 19th century lithographs with good results.  As with all conservation projects there would be some inconspicuous testing at the beginning to determine colorfastness of paper and ink type.  Often there are pieces glued in place that may or may not complicate things a bit.  Current state of affairs is spectrographic analysis by a third party laboratory to quantify exact amount of lignin removed and any other changes in paper chemistry

I’ve noticed an increase in damage in the last few months as have several other locals who are subbing books.  The most annoying one for me is this crunch which was not there when the book left, it was packaged with 16 others that came back with no damage.  The packaging was overkill and I have never had anything damaged in shipping.  It became even more frustrating when I callled customer service.  The call was about 6 weeks after the book arrived.  I was extremely ill when the books arrived and was preoccupied with recovery and did not inspect them until I was somewhat recovered.  Apparently CGC only accepts damage complaints for two weeks after shipping, after that tough luck buddy.  I don’t know how they can absolve themselves of negligence,  I get having a time limit but when i asked for some leniency on the time constraint as I was literally fighting for my life at that time, they still said sorry we won’t help you.  I do work occasionally for other collectors and now request them to view the books prior to packing to absolve myself from any damage which may occur during CGC handling.

8 hours ago, Hero Restoration said:

Indeed, when it comes to brittle paper, washing helps, and, if the cover is getting restored, washing is a must. I went a step further in my fold test with pages, it included water, but then another test with an oxidizer, and observed a substantial improvement. Pre-wash fold test was one fold. After water it was six. Then after bleaching the paper it reached over 20 folds. Now, I haven't had an opportunity to apply the scientific method, but all the pages that get this treatment seam to be less brittle afterword's. Not like new again, but pieces are not falling off anymore. LoL

I’ve read a bit about the chemical oxidization helping with brittleness.  I think few people realize most world class art conservators have a variety of “bleaching” agents in their arsenal of tools.  In the right hands (like yours) they work effectively and with minimal impact.  Hopefully this experiment pans out into a viable alternative, tonite after hours I’ll dig up some other time bomb of a book and see if appearance can be retained or improved

5 minutes ago, thehumantorch said:

So you expect books using this process would grade as conserved?

Yes, unless CGC sees it differently of course.  Currently aqueous and solvent washing is permitted, de-acidification requires water wash (not always) and that is where the buffers and fixative are added.  The de-lignin process is definitely less invasive than a solvent wash.  I certainly hope it would be considered conservation as It is the primary goal.

37 minutes ago, thehumantorch said:

Interesting thread.  I think anything that can improve the flexibility of brittle paper is a good thing.

Thanks!  That’s what it’s all about.  The books that may benefit from this will already by very low grade due to the brittleness, so a process that lands them into conserved grade isn’t really all that bad.  I’m a life long comic collector so of course this aspect excites me, really the implications are much more far reaching.

17 hours ago, kav said:

I have a friend in Michigan who works as an archivist.  He was very interested in your research.

Please tell him I welcome any contact, questions, etc.  Have been working with a number of Conservators.

20 hours ago, MastrCntrlProgram said:

Looks like gloss loss and Kaolin Clay loss, revealing the the unbleached inner core. It is easy for this to happen on silver age type paper, the binders used in combination with very thin layer of clay. Also, the problem is more prevalent in relation to condition, the lower the grade, the more likely there will be unwanted loss. I would be very interested in the before and after of the outside.

The gloss and kaolin definitely took a hit in de acidification (post lignin removal).  An aqueous method (double bath) was used to add buffers and to re-fix.  The post lignin product retains gloss and kaolin (some Pics in my other related post). After Process the paper improves stability (interior pages generally move from brittle to cream or slightly brittle, and is noticeable) this impromptu experiment was to see if there was actually some more room to improve.  Zero attention was given to cosmetics, but I think the results warrant more tests and techniques. Later that evening we did a full 6 fold full paper test:

Must be two Randall Dowlings then because one bought a Manhunt #14 from me on eBay and disappeared with no payment.  I then sold it here and he reappeared with threats of making an issue of it here on the boards, which I of course welcomed.

If that wasn’t you then of course I apologize.  Strange coincidence.

Otherwise I am getting tired of your insinuations.  In the other post you suggested my bleaching books, and now suggesting I am trying to dishonestly get conserved books in blue labels.  Where did I ever say that???

I have talked about the process NOT affecting the artwork and leaving no visible damage or odour on the paper.  This has more to do with minimal severity of the process than any intent to deceive.  I have directly contacted CGC regarding any work I perform and other verification methods, etc.

That Double Action was fun.   If you think I couldnt tell what it is, 😁

2 hours ago, Randall Dowling said:

The page looks washed (which it clearly is).  Looks like there's been ink loss as well.  But it's definitely not as brittle.

Not washed, and not bleached.  The ink is all intact but the unfinished surface obscures it.  
 

Yoi went out of your way to threadcrap in the first lignen thread and seem intent to continue the practice.  
 

Still sore about the book you couldn’t buy because you went radio silent at payment time?  Yes that’s right I know who you are and clearly trying to grind your axe.  

Bottom line is my primary goal is to increase the paper life of the collectibles I have always held in high regard.  The adding of PH buffers is done almost exclusively by water immersion so yes the book does get washed, however washing is NOT part oF the lignin removal.  I really should have nominated you for HOS for accusing me of bleaching books.