action1kid

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It crossed my mind that’s all. 
 

There is even a bigger conflict with the Allentown Bulletman 1 which Payette graded as a VF+ (8.5). . It’s in a holder today as a 7.0.

I underestimated them also about that time.

On 8/6/2023 at 3:15 PM, lou_fine said:

Well, not only Payette then, as CGC also certifed it as a CGC 8.5 graded copy on its first go round.  

Yes, CGC also graded it at 8.5, maybe not daring to conflict Payette 8.5 because of his rep as a very respectable grader. Years later “ They dared” and they are right.

I bought this book for 4 reasons.

1) It’s an Allentown 

2) It’s a key

3) It has a beautiful colorful exciting cover with deep colors.

4) I get a kick out of saying this book slept with  what is arguably the most valuable comic book in the world- The Allentown Detective # 27. 

I think I have a good handle on this . The book is not a 8.5. Payette must of had a bad day.

Id never resubmit it. I think the odds are better it would be a 7.5 than an 8.5. I’m happy with 8.0 VF.

I was enamored with the high Grade of 9.8 on an Action comic under the original logo. By the way , it was the last original logo.

I owned the Mile high copy . I was a 9.2. 
I thought it was under graded in the old holder to this day

Yes

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Lol. John Snyder who sold it to Dave

Church- Rozanski- Snyder- Anderson?

not too many hands over 80 plus years.

Can’t beat this . I assume July 1938.

On 7/13/2023 at 11:24 PM, lou_fine said:

Well, I think your question also depends upon your definition of a "key", as I believe each collector here might have their own definition.  

But if you want to take a look at the scans of a whole slew of the Allentown's that are owned by boardies here, just refer back to the Allentown thread here and then decide for yourself:    

My searching skills are absolutely terrible here, but the best source for an answer to your question would be the advanced draft write-up that was compiled for the Allentown Collection.  Especially in terms of the page that had a detailed list of every single one of the 135 Allentown books along with the original grade assigned to each of them by Jim Payette plus the CGC grade for the books that had been slabbed to that point in time.  All I will say is that Jim is a tough tough grader if you compare his grades to the ones assigned by CGC.  The sample article I have is a 9-pager dated December 28th of 2006 which was forwarded to me by West in 2007 when work was being done on the inclusion of the Chinatown pedigree for the yet to be published Pedigree Book.     

I know that there is an updated and more flashier draft write-up for the Allentown Collection that was linked on these boards here, which I hope another boardie with better Search skills can track down for us here.    

Got this off the net.

Assembled by a young man who was born around 1929, the New Hampshire pedigree contains approximately 1,400 books mainly representing the western genre of the late ‘40s and ’50s. This collection contains more western comics than almost any other pedigreed collection. In 1989 the man sold his collection through an agent to Jim Payette, who in turn offered the books in his catalog. This was named the New Hampshire collection after the city in which the books surfaced. Many were subsequently purchased by Bob Overstreet. They are easily identified because of a distinct penciled date on each cover. Long considered a pedigree by collectors, CGC has finally recognized the collection’s status. (per CGC website)

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Yep

People who are not in the hobby always ask me one thing. How much is it worth? And only one thing.

Excellent advice! 

I will

On 7/24/2023 at 10:38 PM, N e r V said:

Did you not see this on the baseball thread I posted?
 

That is such a red hot book

Thank you Rick. I always liked you. 
 

I hit the road hard this month. Picked up 5 Mile highs. 3 Larsons, 1 Allentown, , 4 White mountains. I’m collecting only Pedigrees now. 
 

On 7/24/2023 at 10:25 PM, action1kid said:

I agree with you the comic book in it’s more modern format should be considered the first comic book. If my memory serves me correctly, say going Back 30 plus years ago Funnies on parade was considered the first comic book. Famous funnies series 1 was the first comic book “sold” (in stores) and famous funnies #1 was the first news stand comic book..  Then the duck came into the picture ( more an actual book) and f@&ked things up. Lol

 

 

 

 

I actually meant the Yellow kid , sorry

On 7/24/2023 at 9:41 AM, lou_fine said:

 

Not exactly sure what you mean by "at the time" as I guess I am part of the comic book collecting generation that has and will always consider Funnies on Parade to be the first Modern Day version of the American comic book as we all know it today.    

As such, I believe it is a highly underappreciated and subsequently also a highly undervalued book in today's marketplace, especially realtive to its historical importance in the comic book medium.  From my personal POV, the value of this book was negatively impacted going forward when Overstreet segregated his guide into different sections and this resulted in Funnies on Parade being banished into the much lower profile Promotional section of his guide and out from the regular General comic book section of the guide where everybody goes to check for valuations.  The other factor that has hurt its valuation is its relative rarity as the last copy to be graded and slabbed was back in 2018, with the last copy to be auctioned off at Heritage all the way back in 2014 and the last copy auctioned off at CC was a mid-grade copy in 2019 for something like 5X its condition guide value.    

Although there are some here who believe that The Adventures of Obadiah Oldbuck from 1837 should more accurately be considered to be the first comic book, I guess I am not part of that school of thought.  It doesn't even have the same design or layout format to the comic book that we know today, and if we go there, why not go back even further back to the drawings from the cave men way back in the Stone Age then.  

I agree with you the comic book in it’s more modern format should be considered the first comic book. If my memory serves me correctly, say going Back 30 plus years ago Funnies on parade was considered the first comic book.( a give away) Famous funnies series 1 was the first comic book “sold” (in stores) and famous funnies #1 was the first news stand comic book..  Then the duck came into the picture ( more an actual book) and f@&ked things up. Lol