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Jaydogrules
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Is this still even debatable ?
-J.
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Nice pickup on the 4.5!!! Consider yourself a lucky man you got it on the cheap!
That doesn't happen to me nearly enough...
I've learned to take pride in setting a GPA high every time I bid on a book and win.
Wait, I thought that only happened to me....
-J.
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Guess I'm glad I went a little balls out on that ST 110, 7.5 last year now...
-J.
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I concur. Where do you put the value/what do you think it will go at?
4.0 is a great sweet spot in collecting slabs!
A nice 4.5 just closed on ComicLink at $3100+.
I was actually really surprised of how low that went for. Inferior looking 4.5's have sold for 3500+ recently, and that was before confirmation of the movie release date.
-J.
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Robb said it right, there is only a 50% chance (maybe less) that the resto could even be removed without destroying the book (and sending the grade much lower - even if the seller didn't care about destroying it - which I would hope is NOT the case!)
The math is simple. with a blue label 4.0 worth, say $9K, it's a real stretch to pay $5K for that book. Of course, if the buyer just wanted a nice presenting copy......they're pretty rare. So few copies of this grail around, I've always been surprised how cheap it had been (starting to come to reality now).
Joey
Joey if you're right about that then someone needs to head over to comic link and snatch up that blue label 4.0.
-J.
You don't like that price?
Thank goodness my man Joey already hooked me up with a sweet looking blue 4.0 early last summer before the recent price spikes.
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Robb said it right, there is only a 50% chance (maybe less) that the resto could even be removed without destroying the book (and sending the grade much lower - even if the seller didn't care about destroying it - which I would hope is NOT the case!)
The math is simple. with a blue label 4.0 worth, say $9K, it's a real stretch to pay $5K for that book. Of course, if the buyer just wanted a nice presenting copy......they're pretty rare. So few copies of this grail around, I've always been surprised how cheap it had been (starting to come to reality now).
Joey
Joey if you're right about that then someone needs to head over to comic link and snatch up that blue label 4.0.
-J.
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Yes I saw that one too. Wow. Just wow. Well done. I wonder if that will be an outlier or the beginning of something with those.
-J.
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That's true. But if they just wanted a quick sale they could have dumped it on ebay and paid a fraction of fees. The fact that the book was even on heritage in the first place demonstrates a greater level of savvy on the part of the seller I would suggest. I must admit to wondering myself how much of a grade hit the book would take if someone even had to completely cut away the piece of the cover that had the color touch. That would likely get it into a blue holder, but then you have basically taken a nice looking book and made it ugly just for the sake of label color.
-J.
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. . . it is very possible that the buyer simply wanted a nice presenting copy for less than a blue label price and has no intention of trying to mess with it.
-J.
Could be
Eh, it is more fun to speculate on values than seller intentions...
FYI - (joining in on the "fun") I contend that people in general are lazy and that unless this seller was someone who buys and sells books regularly, things like "removing resto" are outside of their interested activities. Either that, or they are just stupid (assuming of course that the resto could be removed without dropping the grade significantly).
I think that's something the buyer would need to believe if he was in fact planning on trying to flip it. However I do not believe that anyone who owns a showcase 4, especially in this market, is a lazy or novice collector who would knowingly or willingly or cavalierly walk away from an extra couple grand on a sale or more by not optimizing the book prior to sale. Everyone wants to buy for the least and sell for the most, whatever asset or collectible we're talking about. It's just human nature.
-J.
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9.8's are up to $200 now. I'm not sure if there is a price difference yet realized for the mis-wrapped copies.
-J.
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The seller already made a few thousand over the usual ask and could just be cashing-in on the popularity or didn't want to risk having the work performed.
The seller might have made $1k more than one would have expected. But as we've seen that spread could be as little as 5-800. I believe if the resto could have been removed without damaging the book or affecting the grade significantly it would have been done. We haven't thought of anything unique here that the seller didn't think of if it would have meant another two grand or more to the seller in a blue label. I don't believe this seller knowingly left any money on the table. And it is very possible that the buyer simply wanted a nice presenting copy for less than a blue label price and has no intention of trying to mess with it.
-J.
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That being said if I was willing to spend $5k on this book I would probably be more patient and try to pick up an blue label around the same grade for a little more.
Not sure if that's even possible. Asking prices on Clink for blue 4.0 is around the 7k mark now?
Perhaps the buyer was hoping to remove the slight CT and
get it to a blue 3.5 or so? Copies of this book seem few and far between. Perhaps owners are hoarding these waiting for new DC movies to actually kick Marvel ? IE: Anything better than the last GL movie
.Right now, Marvel is getting movies right. That equals excellent growth for books (Witness ToS 39, AF15, Avengers 1 & 4, JiM 83). And even speculative growth for movies which are in early stages (FF52, ST110 etc).
SC4s will come out of the woodwork once a movie is firmed up and soar if the movie is actually good.
I just want an affordable (yeah right, I know) copy.
With a $5K sale on a PLOD 4.0, it wouldn't surprise me if people start asking for a lot more than $7K for a blue 4.0... Based on other PLOD sales versus Blue labels, the pricing gap is typically larger than 29% - even for SA.
The buyer of this book may have the restoration removed and discover it doesn't even drop a grade point as a 4.0 allows for a lot more flaws then say a 7.0 copy would - so starting with a copy that's already lower grade, with only minor color-touch on the cover, could be a good gamble that it could get into a blue of a similar (or same) grade.
I can't even see why they bothered to color-touch the book and yet leave a ton of color-breaking creases untouched. This book might be a in blue before too long.
This takes me back to my original point though....if it could have been done, with little or no damage to the book, or without impacting the grade, why would the seller not have done it prior to listing it? I don't believe the seller of that book knowingly left $2K++ on the table. And I don't think they owned that particular book without knowing what it was.
-J.
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I have a stack of them and half of them are wrapped badly, has to be a know issue. The silver 2nd prints and UPC seem to be the way to go as the wrap is perfect on these issues. Could explain the recent premium on these 2.
I picture the wrap becoming a focal point on first printing 9.8's selling for a premium. More often then not, they biffed the wrapage.
Anyone have an example of a typically miswrapped 9.8 that they can post?
-J.
Thanks Awake. Yowzers. I didn't even realize that had become a "thing" with these books.
-J.
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I have a stack of them and half of them are wrapped badly, has to be a know issue. The silver 2nd prints and UPC seem to be the way to go as the wrap is perfect on these issues. Could explain the recent premium on these 2.
I picture the wrap becoming a focal point on first printing 9.8's selling for a premium. More often then not, they biffed the wrapage. [/quote
Anyone have an example of a typically miswrapped 9.8 that they can post?
-J.
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Not gonna lie, that is a mighty well presenting 4.0, SA restoration or no.
Congrats to the winning bidder on that one. -J.
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What was the previous grade ? [/quote
3.5
was expecting a 4 What was done to the book ? Just a simply dry clean and press ? Was it Matt Nelson ?
-J.
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Hi Rick would you mind chiming in over in the silver age thread about what current FMV on an AF 15 in a 7.5 would be? They really could use your input over there.
-J.
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There's a sweet looking 7.0 on Heritage right now....
-J.
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Congrats that's a nice looking 5.0!
-J.
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What about this bad boy as a potential "un-restore" candidate ? Can't help but thinking it would have been done already if it could be done without messing it up.....
http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=121422&lotNo=11216
-J.
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I can't believe how low the 9.8 and 9.6 batman 608 RRP's still are in that comic link auction.
-J.
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I actually have no interest in ever owning an AF #15. Even if I found one at a great price it would quickly be sold. TMNT #1 I can relate to better only because I like the characters and I consider it a book (at least the first printing) that is somewhat scarce. I would call this a 'blue chip' copper age 'key' issue. The series survived a successful relaunch and is being enjoyed by a whole new generation of fans which is key for any kind of collectible to survive long term in today's market.
The Walking Dead on the other hand has only been around since 2001. One of the primary reasons for its rapid growth is the fact that it has a television series currently airing, but it has yet to stand the true test of time (note that TMNT is approaching thirty years old).
Several years after the series is cancelled I don't see this book maintaining its current prices levels. In fact I would venture to say that once the show is cancelled a lot of speculators will begin to sell their books. While this may not have an immediate impact on prices; as the series is slowly forgotten it will. As eloquently stated many times, "time will tell." It always does...
I respect your opinion with this, but I am going to use the Transformers as an example. When the animated Transformers TV series came out years ago the Transformer comic books were hot sellers in the LCS like the X-Men, then the animated Transformers got cancelled then like you say what will happen to the Walking Dead is Transformer sales dropped. Ok, you say that proves your point, but what happened to the Transformers was it never went away, and it rose again with billion dollar grossing movies. The same thing will happen with Walking Dead. Yes, TWD will eventually get cancelled, but someday they will bring it back as a trilogy on the big screen say like in 25 years?
People will then pay bigger bucks for TWD #1 in 25 years then they do now.
I can see young people who can`t afford TWD#1 now spending big bucks for it in 25 years.
So yeah your right it will cool down after the TV series is cancelled, but I see it rising again when they go to make TWD Hollywood movie blockbusters.
In the end TWD #1 is a winner.
Not saying that this wont happen but the situation you are positing requires many factors to align.
I would not say the bubble has bust but we have seen significant downward movement on issues number 1.
Not really. It has been a solid $2k book, give or take one or two hundred dollars for some time now.
-J.
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Speaking of Transformers.
I am surprised how little respect this gets.
It came out the same year 1984 as TMNT#1
I would stock up on these as well.
This used to be a $1,000 book in 9.8. Now what is it at? I don't think it is ever coming back to those insane levels again.
Transformers was a successful toy line created by Hasbro first and foremost; The Walking Dead is not. It was not created as a comic book first and then became a television series. Again, much like the Star Trek analogy you used earlier I don't think it can compare. It is like comparing apples to oranges and hoping the analogy fits because of the emotional attachment involved. You have expressed a lot of emotional attachment towards The Walking Dead in the past and I respect this. Unfortunately from an investment standpoint this is where things can quickly fall out of focus and become an issue. As a result, there is nothing I or anyone else on this forum can say to convince you otherwise and I say this with full respect (I mean this in general terms towards anyone who has an emotional attachment to something).
For instance, I know an acquaintance who collects United States postage stamps. Personally I hate stamps as I would never collect something that was intended to be licked. However, for the last decade or so he has been saying how stamp collecting is going to make a successful comeback and how it a an 'undervalued' and underappreciated' hobby. Unfortunately, I think since we have started to long recover from the Great Recession and stamp prices have still remained stagnant overall he is learning that this is not the case. Does this analogy apply to The Walking Dead? Absolutely not. The point of the analogy was just to show how emotional attachment can cloud one's thinking. Truth be told I think you would be better off with some vintage factory sealed Star Wars toys...but then again maybe that is my nostalgia clouding my judgment. I never said I wasn't immune either!
If the Walking Dead "bubble" does burst (which it won't by the way, because it is not in one), we should all be concerned with the health of the overall modern age comic market as a whole, since the Walking Dead series is one of the major underpinnings of it.
-J.
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I bid just over $11K as was still outbid by two people.
Jay: 4.5?! Wow man, you're one strict grader. I'd eat my hat if that book graded anything close.....
Am I strict
? I figured with the PQ and dull looking back cover it would be a 5.0 max and that's after a press. The 5.0 you had a little while back looked better to me. And considering the large percentage of these that come back restored I really did think that was a strong, strong price for it unslabbed. And yes those early 0 feedback bidders did make the auction seem a bit funky.-J.
Otherwise I wouldn't even think twice about it.
get it to a blue 3.5 or so? 
was expecting a 4 
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With this book I doubt you left much, if anything on the table with it having "LT/OW" pages on the label. I've re subbed books with that and come back CR/OW and even OW, and I think enough people understand the randomness of CGC and their "PQ" designations that it is taken with a grain of salt, particularly on rare keys.
-J.