Jaydogrules

Time for a

Starting to push $700 raw....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271376554975?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

This one's definitely got legs.

-J.

What does a moderately professionally restored Detective 39 in ap VF/VF+ go for? 50% of guide?

That would be a good question to post in the ask gator thread, I think it's in the golden age forum. (thumbs u

-J.

That 6.5 was recently graded and looks more to me to be a 5.5.

As for that restored copy, you're LUCKY to get 25% FMV for anything silver age that's restored. I would have to see more than one over graded copy and one restored copy sell "low" to call it a trend.

-J.

Somehow I had a feeling that "6.5" in the comic link auction would not break $25k......

-J.

OK, I'll play. Please add mine to the raw list...bought in 1979 as a VG. Cost- $150

 

Better ROI than the stock market. Great book!

-J.

Did anybody here actually load up on these??

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281242678475?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151211932393?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Prices more than doubled in less than a week.

-J.

The Fabok New 52 Tec 27, 1:100. This one seems to be for real and legitimately rare, "manufactured" rarity or not. Closed sales up more than 40% in the last week, and still not more than a couple to be found for sale at any given time. It seems most dealers just didn't bother to order enough of the regular cover to participate in the incentive.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121253315407?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

-J.

I quit reading Amazing in 2004 after 30+ years of reading and started back up with SSM which I really enjoyed. It felt redundant, especially after a few years of Ultimate Spider-man. I feel like they've told every possible story they can tell but maybe there will be another Venom or Carnage. I'm happy for those that wanted Peter parker back, I'm just not one of them.

Agreed. They really could have fleshed out Superior for a few years. Plenty of interesting storyline possibilities were there, a chance to take Spiderman to some new and darker places. I fear we'll be back to same-old, same-old.

-J.

ugh...series finale....I was hoping it was going to continue.

Me too! So can we assume that all of the events of Superior will be cannon in the new title? At least for now?

-J.

People will interpret statements however they want to, regardless of what is actually being said. I have explained myself and whether or not you choose to understand that, or hear it, is of no consequence to me. The statement was a joke, plain and simple. If you did not get it, then I have nothing more for you. Move along.........

 

All that being said...book ended at $60 and change with 8 bidders and a boatload of watchers....for what it is worth.

Like I said on Wednesday. .. $60 book max. And yes anybody with half a brain knew you were being tongue in cheek with the shill bidding joke. But in fairness to those who took u seriously or called you out on it, saying something like that here is kind of like joking with a flight attendant on an airplane that you managed to sneak a box cutter on board.

-J.

This is my Strange Tales #110.

 

Mike

 

Gorgeous Mike! GPA doesn't reflect it, but that's about a $10k comic now.

Now THAT'S a puppy to treasure.

-J.

Again, it depends on the"full retail" you are charged at the LCS.

 

My file LCS does not gouge file holders like the other LCSs do in town. They value the longterm business from their file customers more than the one time gouge and price the retailer incentives accordingly. For example, they moved the ASM #700 Ditko 1:700 to their largest file customer for $100, even though they knew it was going for more on eBay (I was second in line for that one if he passed on it ). Could they make more? Definitely. But keeping customers happy for their long term business is more important.

 

There are a couple of other LCSs in town that readily mark up incentives, but their full retail still leaves plenty of room for profit on eBay with variants. (thumbs u

 

If your LCS doesn't price variants in regards to their respective ratios, then you will make money on them regardless. Having access to incentive variants at those prices puts you in a very small group. The vast majority of buyers cannot buy incentives at those prices, whether it's online or at their lcs, unless they preorder them. Preordering doesn't work when the book has already released.

 

Batman related incentives almost never maintain or exceed the initial prices that they are priced at, in an LCS or online retailer, or sell for initially on ebay. Midtown still has various Batman incentives priced at 150 dollars that don't even bring 60 dollars on the secondary market.

 

Your situation is atypical. It is an exception that most people here cannot take advantage of. If you don't get these on the cheap via preorder or when they first release then don't bother pursuing them with the idea that you will be able to resell them for profit.

Can I pursue them if I just dig the covers and would like to have them in my collection for the next decade or so?

-J.

Just saw on GPA that an 8.0 sold for $6675 this month??? That's a huuuuuge jump in price....

Off-white to White pages.

 

That's about what the one on Heritage went for in their Nov auction if I'm, not mistaken.

 

-J.

 

Yeah the one on Heritage went for $6572, but I owed that price hike to the Don/Maggie Thompson pedigree....

 

I know some people do, but I take "pedigrees" with a grain of salt. A book, is a book, is a book. And the grade is the grade. If it happens to be a "pedigree", whoop-de-doo. But I will never pay a premium for it. An 8.0 is a pretty high grade for this book, so I'm not surprised to see it starting to get that high. It's been rising fairly consistently in all grades for the better part of a year now, and they are not as commonly offered in a "decent grade" (i.e, 7.0+) as people realize.

 

-J.

 

I totally am with you on the pedigree thing. I as well would not pay a premium for pedigree, but it seems you and I are not the ruling party as typically, on GPA, pedigrees are going for a premium. I am happy to see this one going up though. Almost makes me tempted to sell my CGC SS 8.0....but not really

I would definitely treasure that puppy! (thumbs u

-J.

Just saw on GPA that an 8.0 sold for $6675 this month??? That's a huuuuuge jump in price....

Off-white to White pages.

 

That's about what the one on Heritage went for in their Nov auction if I'm, not mistaken.

 

-J.

 

Yeah the one on Heritage went for $6572, but I owed that price hike to the Don/Maggie Thompson pedigree....

I know some people do, but I take "pedigrees" with a grain of salt. A book, is a book, is a book. And the grade is the grade. If it happens to be a "pedigree", whoop-de-doo. But I will never pay a premium for it. An 8.0 is a pretty high grade for this book, so I'm not surprised to see it starting to get that high. It's been rising fairly consistently in all grades for the better part of a year now, and they are not as commonly offered in a "decent grade" (i.e, 7.0+) as people realize.

-J.

I think that there many not be a lot of Jim Lee variants as it was not pre-sold as a Jim Lee variant. I believe they said it was a Kelley variant up until a few weeks ago word leaked out that it was actually a Jim Lee variant. On top of that mix-up on who was actually doing the pre-order, it's an $8 book, so retailers probably didn't go as heavy on it. I do however totally agree with your #27 assessment and think that'll play into the desire of the issue over time.

(thumbs u

-J.

Just saw on GPA that an 8.0 sold for $6675 this month??? That's a huuuuuge jump in price....

Off-white to White pages.

That's about what the one on Heritage went for in their Nov auction if I'm, not mistaken.

-J.

My latest acquisition:

 

 

Looks way better than a .5

 

Is there a huge piece missing from the back cover?

 

The back cover is actually decent. It's just completely split and detached.

Two time member now? Show off! J/K awesome pick up!

-J.

The 1:100 may be another story however. There's only a couple of those to be found anywhere and they seem to get legitimate bids over $100.

-J.

 

Look up the prices for pretty much any previous Batman or Detective Comics 1:100 or 1:200 variant.

 

True enough the RRP is technically not a consumer "variant" but it is still a variant in a strict semantic sense. The sketch cover for batman 1 in the new 52 still goes for $300+ as well. Variants in general rarely hold or build value though, batman or otherwise. So Dark star is not actually wrong with his general statement about bats variants.

 

-J.

 

That is because the incentive sketch variant you are talking about is a #1. The incentive variants, sketch or not, whether it is 1:25, 1:50, 1:100, 1:200 for Batman and Detective Comics do not maintain or build value. The sell well during their initial week of availability at which point most of them sink like a stone.

 

The Sciver variant for the first issue doesn't even command the same amount of money as the regular cover first print.

 

 

I got almost all of the variants (multiple copies on most) for cover to $6 apiece from LCSs = full retail and have been selling the earlier ones for $10 - $20 apiece no problem. The more recent variants go for $6 - $10 on Ebay as well.

 

Not the incentive variants.

There's a mythical connection with the number "27" in the Detective comics run that rivals or surpasses the "#1". This fact alone will give these variants a chance at having some staying power. Apparently they were under ordered, as demand has been outstripping supply at most large LCS's apparently. That will also add to their potential for long term value. Everybody is chasing the Lee right now, with the Fabok under the radar for the time being. Once the general public realizes that one is twice as rare, that will help its value. I would be loading up on that one right now if I were a dealer or flipper (which I'm not, I'm just a collector). Of course neither Diamond or DC release print run info. But I am actually surprised how few even Lee copies are up on ebay right now, let alone the Fabok one. You would think there would be a lot more popping up this morning given how fast they were selling yesterday, even if half those auctions ended with shill bids.

-J.

True enough the RRP is technically not a consumer "variant" but it is still a variant in a strict semantic sense. The sketch cover for batman 1 in the new 52 still goes for $300+ as well. Variants in general rarely hold or build value though, batman or otherwise. So Dark star is not actually wrong with his general statement about bats variants.

-J.

I know it's been discussed modern regular cvr and modern variant

 

Detective comics #27 1:50 Jim Lee variant

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390742313863?redirect=mobile

 

About an hr ago it was in the $40s now currently at $88... wonder how high it will go.

 

After $55, the bids get sketchy...

I was in three auctions for one of these tonight. All three that got around $100 were "buyers with 0 or 1 feedback. Obviously shills. Not one real bidder bit at anywhere near that price, and the greedy sellers are still stuck with their books. I would say this is a legit $60 book MAX, for now at least. Anybody on here have an extra they would like to sell? I'm sick of ebay shenanigans.

The 1:100 may be another story however. There's only a couple of those to be found anywhere and they seem to get legitimate bids over $100.. That one may be the one to watch.

-J.

Superman 1 has a lot of significance in my opinion and should not be deemed as just a reprint book from Action 1

 

I listed a number of things that Superman #1 has going for it content-wise in an earlier post:

 

*Expanded origin of Superman.

*1st app. of the Kents (unnamed).

*"Scientific" explanation of Superman's powers.

*1st book devoted entirely to a superhero.

 

All great things that make Superman #1 more than just a collection of reprints.

 

But content vs. content, it's nowhere near Batman #1.

Agreed, as it`s hard to beat the first appearance of both Joker and the Catwoman.

 

I would posit that the book would have the same or near the same value and be just as sought if there was no Joker first appearance in it (don't care at all about Catwoman anyway), and it was basically a collection of reprints (like Supes 1) from earlier Tecs, along with the reprinted origin from Tec 33 that's already in there, with maybe that last Pre Robin story thrown in there at the end for a little something new. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

Hence the reason why I feel it stands to have some major room for growth.

 

Many of the collectors who can afford a copy of Batman #1 came before the Heath Ledger generation. The Joker of old was iconic to be sure, but the character has seen a considerable amount of development over the past decade -- both in respects to psychological development and popularity.

 

So I agree, many people would still treasure Batman #1 even without the vast amount of quality content that serves to make it incredibly relevant today. As the Heath Ledger generation continues to come of age, get older and gather increased spending power, it stands to reason that collectors will have a greater depth of motivation behind acquiring this iconic issue.

Superman 1 has a lot of significance in my opinion and should not be deemed as just a reprint book from Action 1

 

I listed a number of things that Superman #1 has going for it content-wise in an earlier post:

 

*Expanded origin of Superman.

*1st app. of the Kents (unnamed).

*"Scientific" explanation of Superman's powers.

*1st book devoted entirely to a superhero.

 

All great things that make Superman #1 more than just a collection of reprints.

 

But content vs. content, it's nowhere near Batman #1.

Agreed, as it`s hard to beat the first appearance of both Joker and the Catwoman.

 

I would posit that the book would have the same or near the same value and be just as sought if there was no Joker first appearance in it (don't care at all about Catwoman anyway), and it was basically a collection of reprints (like Supes 1) from earlier Tecs, along with the reprinted origin from Tec 33 that's already in there, with maybe that last Pre Robin story thrown in there at the end for a little something new. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

Hence the reason why I feel it stands to have some major room for growth.

 

Many of the collectors who can afford a copy of Batman #1 came before the Heath Ledger generation. The Joker of old was iconic to be sure, but the character has seen a considerable amount of development over the past decade -- both in respects to psychological development and popularity.

 

So I agree, many people would still treasure Batman #1 even without the vast amount of quality content that serves to make it incredibly relevant today. As the Heath Ledger generation continues to come of age, get older and gather increased spending power, it stands to reason that collectors will have a greater depth of motivation behind acquiring this iconic issue.

The Joker's 1st appearance definitely makes the book for me. The Heath Ledger portrayal of him reminded me a bit of the Joker as presented in The Killing Joke. I would say that storyline represented more of a pivot point for his character development toward what we see today.

-J.

Superman 1 has a lot of significance in my opinion and should not be deemed as just a reprint book from Action 1

 

I listed a number of things that Superman #1 has going for it content-wise in an earlier post:

 

*Expanded origin of Superman.

*1st app. of the Kents (unnamed).

*"Scientific" explanation of Superman's powers.

*1st book devoted entirely to a superhero.

 

All great things that make Superman #1 more than just a collection of reprints.

 

But content vs. content, it's nowhere near Batman #1.

Agreed, as it`s hard to beat the first appearance of both Joker and the Catwoman.

I would posit that the book would have the same or near the same value and be just as sought if there was no Joker first appearance in it (don't care at all about Catwoman anyway), and it was basically a collection of reprints (like Supes 1) from earlier Tecs, along with the reprinted origin from Tec 33 that's already in there, with maybe that last Pre Robin story thrown in there at the end for a little something new. (thumbs u

-J.

I'd leave it just as it is.

 

I've definitely debated it, but I feel like it needs conservation since it's such a historical book. I'm not concerned about any loss of resale value as a PLOD, this is never leaving my collection as far as I can see.

Super cool pick up Illustrious. And FWIW I would leave it as is as well. It should be sufficiently preserved in the slab.

-J.

Hey there Wayne-Tec, you're definitely preaching to the choir about Tec 33 . While still clearly a highly sought and expensive book, Tecs 29 and 31 have surpassed it, at least in value, pretty much based on the "coolness" of their covers. I'm not so sure 35 has anymore, at least not after some of this past year's public auction results, and a seeming mini-resurgence of 33. I don't know if Tec 33 is "under rated", but it is probably under valued compared to those other pre-Robin Tecs. I think a lot of collectors have been fine with bypassing Tec 33 and going straight for the Bats 1 because it contains a reprint of that origin story, along with the first appearance of the Joker. But more importantly, I think people dig that #1 on the cover and the fact that it's Batman's first solo title. Put that together with the fact that the vast, vast majority of the collector base will never be able to afford an actual Tec 27, and you have the perfect storm for a highly sought and uber expensive book.

 

As for me, when I break it down, I do think it would be cool to have that first appearance of the Joker, but not at the low grade price points the book currently sits at, no matter how big of a villain he is. There is no Joker without Batman, and that's just a lot of money to me for a first villain appearance. I would probably feel A LOT differently about it if Tec 33 did not contain the origin story first, and Bats 1 did. Then I would probably gun for the book and might think its current price levels were right on target. But as it stands, Tec 33 contains that first told origin, and that book is really the turning point of the Batman character....where he actually became the Batman, and not just another rip off of the Shadow. The fact that Bats 1 reprints it so soon after the Tec 33 came out only highlights the significance of that. It was also his first 12 page story if I'm not mistaken. It is by this same logic, by the way, that I don't see any reason to spend big bucks on an ASM 1, when there's already an AF 15 in my collection, and I'm not going to want to spend $15K or some crazy amount (by SA standards) for the first appearance of the Green Goblin or the Vulture.

 

Like you said though, everybody has their preferences and priorities in their collection, and if I had unlimited funds I would gladly own both!

 

-J.

 

In terms of historical significance, Tec #33 easily eclipses Tec #29, 31, 35 and all others sans 27. I think the cover is nearly as cool as any other Pre-Robin out there, but obviously it is the origin that makes it special. I love the combination of the Tec #34 splash artwork with the reprinted origin story from Tec #33 found in Batman #1.

 

The comparison between the Joker's first appearance and the Green Goblin's though, is not equivalent. Unlike Batman, Spiderman does not have a clear-cut arch nemesis. The Green Goblin, Doc Ock and Venom can all be considered, as all have been the Spidey villain at various points in time.

 

The Joker has always been Batman's arch nemesis with no close second. Batman #1 would sell itself without the Joker even being present. Superman #1 is the third most valuable book in the hobby, and outside of a brief, unnamed cameo of "The Kents", there are no notable first appearances of any kind in Superman #1.

 

None of Spiderman's villains are as big in the Marvel Universe as the Joker is in the DC Universe. So the combination of factors: 1st Batman solo book, 1st app. of the Joker, 1st app. of Catwoman, last Pre-Robin Tec story, classic cover, etc. really drive Batman #1 to a special place. While there are a number of GA books that are currently treasured for factors the likes of rarity, cool covers, etc. -- I believe a day will come when collectors look at all of the content Batman #1 has to over and in turn, value it even more so for reasons beyond the "No. 1" on the cover. (thumbs u

 

 

well said !

all things considered Bat1 seem to "outshine" Supe1 ... even when you consider the rarity of supe1

 

 

Couldn't agree more about Tec 33. And you're spot on about Supes 1 as well. I would give the clear edge to Batman 1 over that one any day, night or weekend in terms of its overall greater intrinsic value. If ever there was a book that was sought just because of the #1 on the cover it is that one. Isn't it only a compilation of reprinted stories? Although, with that being said, I would own one of those in a heart beat at a "decent" price as well . And I only used the Spidey example as he is the SA king, and the Goblin is one of his first villains, but seeing what they are doing with the Superior title maybe Doc Ock would have been a better example. But in terms of overall villains, Doctor Doom would be the Marvel Universe's Joker, and I still would not spend a sick amount of money on an FF #5 just to get his first appearance. He's still just a villain. A main one yes, but just a villain, who exists only to be an agitator for the heroes and main characters. And let's be real, if the Joker first appeared in Batman #5, Batman #1 would still be worth a hell of a lot of money. It's that #1 mystique. People just gotta have it.

-J.

It's just the age old argument over a cameo and a first full appearance....I kind of like the 17 page.

 

it reeks of Hulk 180/181 ...here we go ...again

 

Except that it's a much stronger case for Hulk 180 . . .

 

+1

 

Character's hand punching a wall ≠ Full body shot of character introducing himself

That's why 180 is called a "cameo", with 181 called the "first full appearance".

-J.