uchiha101

You're selling the comic for the owner so doesn't that make you the seller? Why does it seem like you're trying to hold others accountable for your poor decisions? I know you're trying to own up to some of your mistakes, which is a step in the right path, but you keep making blunders along the way. That would technically make me the seller but I've had people tell me since I don't own the book I'm not the true seller of it. I don't hold others accountable for my mistakes unless they played a part in it. You made the choice to finish that transaction just like you made the choice to buy that $1 book for $10 because you needed something to boost your feedback or reputation. Do you give the other party acknowledgement when the deal works out in your favor or do you just like blaming the other party if the deal is not good for you? Have I acknowledged that that deals works out in my favor? yes I have done so before and since they are flippers they don't care because they also made money on it. I blame the other party never unless they mess up I own up to my mistakes and sometimes need to be pointed out to me but I own up to what I do if I honestly blamed the other party for the deal not working out in my favor do you think that I would have all the comics I do? no I know I overpaid for them and that's my mistake they made money off of my lack of knowledge and I'm fine with that because it's my fault and I won't blame them for it. Like I said before when someone tries to say I'm a scammer that's when I lose it.

I'm surprised your attitude towards me has changed so much I must be doing something right and yes my priority is to get a job and after I sell the comics I have I'm switching gears into consignments but I'll take what I can get for them I'll study the market through the sale of their comics but will occasionally buy and sell still. I personally think you should stop altogether,and reflect what you should do with your life. Just my opinion. Before you really get yourself into trouble. I don't know what I want to do with my life but I do have ideas about what I want. Just get a job and lower your expectations on what type of job you'll settle for until you stabilize your situation. And quit blaming your mistakes on your ability to learn. If you hadn't mentioned your learning disability I would have just assumed you were lazy. All I want right now is any job so that I can make money and to sell the comics I have. What do you mean I blame my mistakes on my learning disability? It does get in the way of how I think. I honestly hate the word lazy and I hate how people always assume that of me if I don't mention I have a learning disability it pisses me off if I were lazy I wouldn't even attempt this because it's too much work.

I should check that out because I never heard of that and for those of you wondering if I took business courses I took five of them over the years nothing super professional but two of them were in college.

I want to do that but at the same time I don't. I will get a job and start smaller once I sell the comics that I have and my focus will be consignments and finder's fees because that will help me learn the market more and earn money at the same time. With consignments I will start small but I'll accept anything that comes my way.

Thanks I'm thinking of selling my comics then going onto consignments and I'll do things a little differently because I'll focus on smaller consignments and work my way up but if I get a big consignment I won't say no and I'll also be focusing on finder's fees. I've made lots of mistakes and I have and will admit to that but this time instead of me losing money I'll be making money with others peoples money which is a safe route but I definitely will be making purchases here and there. I honestly wish I could shadow someone and learn how they do things because I've asked and applied to the comics shops and they said no . On grading I will continue to improve on it because like the boardies say above it's a major advantage and it will help to keep you from getting ripped off.

I was thinking about that myself and I came up with a few answers 1. Time 2. less fees then some of the bigger players out there. 3. less paperwork. You're going to have to explain these three points, because they make zero sense to me. 1. Time What about it? Are you saying you can sell a book faster than a dealer who actually does it for a living or anyone can do themselves? Do you pay faster once or if, the book is sold? Do you get faster results all around? If so, how? What about "Time" should make a consigner choose you? 2. Less fees than some of the bigger players out there. Huh? How do you know what fees the "bigger players" out there charge? Who are the "bigger players". If they do charge more, do you think maybe it might be because they actually know what they're doing and you very obviously don't? 3. Less paperwork. This I have to hear. How is there less paperwork in consigning with you than with anyone else? If there is actually less paperwork, do you think it might be that there are steps in the process that you are forgetting, ignoring or just don't know anything about? Time: When I sell a comic for the person and the buyer receives it I pay them other auction houses take a while to pay you. It depends on what the comic is that decides how quickly it sells. Less Fees: The bigger players are heritage auctions, comic connect, and so on. I know what they've been charging because I wrote them down and I also don't charge buyers premium like heritage does. Do they know more than me? of course they do but I don't go overboard with the fees I charge and also they have appraisal fees in addition to charging for the drive to wherever you live. Less paperwork: For my paperwork right now it's just a written agreement between me and the person that wants to consign with me and when I get a collector's insurance I'm going to have to have a bit more paperwork to go with it and have a faq's page as well because if I want to the cosigning and become good at it I'll have to make sure I leave nothing to chance.

I'm surprised your attitude towards me has changed so much I must be doing something right and yes my priority is to get a job and after I sell the comics I have I'm switching gears into consignments but I'll take what I can get for them I'll study the market through the sale of their comics but will occasionally buy and sell still. I personally think you should stop altogether,and reflect what you should do with your life. Just my opinion. Before you really get yourself into trouble. I don't know what I want to do with my life but I do have ideas about what I want.

And you want me to consign books with you? No that choice is yours

My plan was to sell it at it's peak to make the most money like you said and this was a deal on facebook not in person. My reason for making that trade was black mail he said if I back out he would post in the facebook groups that I'm a scammer. I do have gpa which is why I wanted to keep and sell the asm 129 for a good profit. The deal went down something like this because I posted that I bought a asm 129 and was excited Him: "hey you have a asm 129 cgc 9.0 right?" Me: "I don't have it yet but I bought one why?" Him "I have a ba12 about a 9.4 raw" Me: "ok show me pics" (he showed me pics and I didn't agree with his grading so I asked if he wanted to do a cash plus trade deal and this was when gpa on the asm 129 was 1075) Him "what do you think?" Me: "I don't agree with your grading because your overgrading and over valuing the comic as it's raw" Him "ok how about this? the ba12 plus 300 cash?" Me: "that's sounds fair when I get it I'll let you know" Him: "cool" (the comic now arrived) Me: "ok I got the comic and since the value of asm 129 went up would you add 100 bucks? because if not I'd like to keep it since it will go up in value" Him: are you backing out of the deal? you said you agreed and now your backing out of it?" Me: "The values of the comics aren't even anymore so if you can add a little more cash we can still do this" Him "No what I gave you is fair all the dealers I went to said this is a 9.4 without a press" Me: I don't want to lose money on this trade" Him: "You won't trust me" Me: "I don't want to do the trade if you won't add some more cash to your part" Him "If you back out of this deal I'm reporting this to all the fb groups that you tried to back out of a deal and scam me" Me: "I didn't scam you and we didn't fully agree on the trade" Him: " I don't care you went against your word and you are trying to scam me now" Me: Fine! I'll do the trade ok?" Him: "good" (keep in mind I asked him to do the extra cash part when then comic's value was at 1225 and I would take a little lower yes but I'd still make a decent profit on it or so I thought) Said it before, That bolded line is my mistake? so what should I have said? It's not what you should have said You shouldnt have shipped the book. Period. Even with $100 kicker you were begging for..... there is not enough of a profit margin to make this trade worthwhile With the 100 more I was asking I would have made a profit I'll explain I bought the comic for 950 and I though his ba12 would be worth around 750 so that would mean I need to cash at least to make a profit on it and I said I wanted 300 so to me that margin of profit would do well for me since it's a quick sell now to where it was worth 1225 his comic is worth around 750+300 cash this is where I said I don't feel I want to trade it but if he put in extra 100 I'd do it and take a bit lower profit on the comic so taking that into consideration it would go like this I paid 950 for the asm 129 his comic is worth 750+400 cash = 1150 1150-950=200 profit for me as it would be a quick sell and easy to move it Am I reading it right that you and this guy set up a trade: Your ASM 129 for his BA12 + $300. Then, once you got the BA12 (and presumably the $300), you asked him to kick another $100 on top of it? Is that correct? yes that would be correct And you really think that he was in the wrong? You accepted his deal and then wanted him to give you more on top of it? As others have said, I don't think this is your thing. But, if you want to keep on pushing on then, as others have said, you probably would be better served scaling it back to small books until you figure out how this works. In terms of how he forced me into the deal yes he was wrong on that regard and yes I did want more on top of because the value of the comic went up. So in your way of thinking, for instance. If I buy a Hulk #1 from seller A for 2500 dollars, and it goes up in value to 8000 dollars would I owe him money because the value grew? Preposterous! No I only thought that way because he pissed me off and I didn't like how he made me do a deal with him. Until you quit playing the "he forced me into the deal" card, and own up to completing the deal because you made a deal you should honor, it doesn't appear that you've learned anything from the last several pages of discussion. I wouldn't say I learned nothing from this last couple of pages I admitted already that I made a mistake with what I did multiple times as well unless you missed that.

You're selling the comic for the owner so doesn't that make you the seller? Why does it seem like you're trying to hold others accountable for your poor decisions? I know you're trying to own up to some of your mistakes, which is a step in the right path, but you keep making blunders along the way. That would technically make me the seller but I've had people tell me since I don't own the book I'm not the true seller of it. I don't hold others accountable for my mistakes unless they played a part in it.

I'm surprised your attitude towards me has changed so much I must be doing something right and yes my priority is to get a job and after I sell the comics I have I'm switching gears into consignments but I'll take what I can get for them I'll study the market through the sale of their comics but will occasionally buy and sell still.

when I trade I do it can make a profit from the comic but making sure that we are both satisfied with the deal the difference this time was my acting before I thought about it and when I realized that I tried to back out when I saw I made a bad deal. On consignments after I sell my comics that will be my primary focus since I won't have to lug around my own comics from place to place. So how does this consignment thing work? The seller ships to book to your or ships the book to the buyer? I read your other thread and thought it was a little goofy. I certainly hope that if people are sending you books that you aren't as careless with them as you are with your own books. The comics would be shipped to me then when they are sold I'll ship it to the buyer I've tried to sell comics without having them on hand and it doesn't work out to well because they trust me not the other person. Careless? I don't know what you mean I treat my comics with care do you mean overpricing them? No, like not knowing how to pack your books in a box. http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=379830&Number=8634611#Post8634611 I'm not sure what you mean about "they trust me not the other person". How does the buyer even know there is an actual seller if you don't have the book in hand. Just because you say you're honest doesn't mean people will believe you. What I meant is that they don't trust the guy selling the comic and as to how they know if he's real? the answer is they don't they only have my word on it which is why I said I want people to send me the comics now and yes you have a point not everyone will believe me but I only need one buyer.

My plan was to sell it at it's peak to make the most money like you said and this was a deal on facebook not in person. My reason for making that trade was black mail he said if I back out he would post in the facebook groups that I'm a scammer. I do have gpa which is why I wanted to keep and sell the asm 129 for a good profit. The deal went down something like this because I posted that I bought a asm 129 and was excited Him: "hey you have a asm 129 cgc 9.0 right?" Me: "I don't have it yet but I bought one why?" Him "I have a ba12 about a 9.4 raw" Me: "ok show me pics" (he showed me pics and I didn't agree with his grading so I asked if he wanted to do a cash plus trade deal and this was when gpa on the asm 129 was 1075) Him "what do you think?" Me: "I don't agree with your grading because your overgrading and over valuing the comic as it's raw" Him "ok how about this? the ba12 plus 300 cash?" Me: "that's sounds fair when I get it I'll let you know" Him: "cool" (the comic now arrived) Me: "ok I got the comic and since the value of asm 129 went up would you add 100 bucks? because if not I'd like to keep it since it will go up in value" Him: are you backing out of the deal? you said you agreed and now your backing out of it?" Me: "The values of the comics aren't even anymore so if you can add a little more cash we can still do this" Him "No what I gave you is fair all the dealers I went to said this is a 9.4 without a press" Me: I don't want to lose money on this trade" Him: "You won't trust me" Me: "I don't want to do the trade if you won't add some more cash to your part" Him "If you back out of this deal I'm reporting this to all the fb groups that you tried to back out of a deal and scam me" Me: "I didn't scam you and we didn't fully agree on the trade" Him: " I don't care you went against your word and you are trying to scam me now" Me: Fine! I'll do the trade ok?" Him: "good" (keep in mind I asked him to do the extra cash part when then comic's value was at 1225 and I would take a little lower yes but I'd still make a decent profit on it or so I thought) Said it before, That bolded line is my mistake? so what should I have said? It's not what you should have said You shouldnt have shipped the book. Period. Even with $100 kicker you were begging for..... there is not enough of a profit margin to make this trade worthwhile With the 100 more I was asking I would have made a profit I'll explain I bought the comic for 950 and I though his ba12 would be worth around 750 so that would mean I need to cash at least to make a profit on it and I said I wanted 300 so to me that margin of profit would do well for me since it's a quick sell now to where it was worth 1225 his comic is worth around 750+300 cash this is where I said I don't feel I want to trade it but if he put in extra 100 I'd do it and take a bit lower profit on the comic so taking that into consideration it would go like this I paid 950 for the asm 129 his comic is worth 750+400 cash = 1150 1150-950=200 profit for me as it would be a quick sell and easy to move it Am I reading it right that you and this guy set up a trade: Your ASM 129 for his BA12 + $300. Then, once you got the BA12 (and presumably the $300), you asked him to kick another $100 on top of it? Is that correct? yes that would be correct And you really think that he was in the wrong? You accepted his deal and then wanted him to give you more on top of it? As others have said, I don't think this is your thing. But, if you want to keep on pushing on then, as others have said, you probably would be better served scaling it back to small books until you figure out how this works. In terms of how he forced me into the deal yes he was wrong on that regard and yes I did want more on top of because the value of the comic went up. He forced you to complete a deal that you agreed to. If you were on the other side of the deal you'd expect him to honor his side of the trade. You completed the deal because you were afraid he'd reveal your behavior and it would look bad. You should think long and hard about that and about whether you want to be a stand up guy. A stand up guy? I always try to be a stand up guy when I make mistakes or do something wrong I admit to it and I always will I didn't like how he said he would blast me on all the comic book groups if I didn't give him the comic. Maybe it's something different to you but when I try to sell here I get nice comics and having another selling venue shut off to me would almost ruin me all I would have left is ebay or sell it for cheap somewhere else and he knows the admins of most groups. To you can probably just laugh it off but to me that it something that I'd be afraid of happening. And that's my point. A stand up guy would honor a deal he made - to the letter - and wouldn't try to change the terms. It appears you had a deal and tried to change the terms and only completed the deal because he threatened to reveal your behaviour. If you're gonna be a stand up guy you gotta actually stand up. And I'm not laughing or trying to beat you up. I'm tying to tell you what you did wrong. Yes I know that and it's been pointed out to me multiple time but like I said I understand that I messed up and I'm owning up to it with how I played part in that deal.

I was thinking about that myself and I came up with a few answers 1. Time 2. less fees then some of the bigger players out there. 3. less paperwork.

My plan was to sell it at it's peak to make the most money like you said and this was a deal on facebook not in person. My reason for making that trade was black mail he said if I back out he would post in the facebook groups that I'm a scammer. I do have gpa which is why I wanted to keep and sell the asm 129 for a good profit. The deal went down something like this because I posted that I bought a asm 129 and was excited Him: "hey you have a asm 129 cgc 9.0 right?" Me: "I don't have it yet but I bought one why?" Him "I have a ba12 about a 9.4 raw" Me: "ok show me pics" (he showed me pics and I didn't agree with his grading so I asked if he wanted to do a cash plus trade deal and this was when gpa on the asm 129 was 1075) Him "what do you think?" Me: "I don't agree with your grading because your overgrading and over valuing the comic as it's raw" Him "ok how about this? the ba12 plus 300 cash?" Me: "that's sounds fair when I get it I'll let you know" Him: "cool" (the comic now arrived) Me: "ok I got the comic and since the value of asm 129 went up would you add 100 bucks? because if not I'd like to keep it since it will go up in value" Him: are you backing out of the deal? you said you agreed and now your backing out of it?" Me: "The values of the comics aren't even anymore so if you can add a little more cash we can still do this" Him "No what I gave you is fair all the dealers I went to said this is a 9.4 without a press" Me: I don't want to lose money on this trade" Him: "You won't trust me" Me: "I don't want to do the trade if you won't add some more cash to your part" Him "If you back out of this deal I'm reporting this to all the fb groups that you tried to back out of a deal and scam me" Me: "I didn't scam you and we didn't fully agree on the trade" Him: " I don't care you went against your word and you are trying to scam me now" Me: Fine! I'll do the trade ok?" Him: "good" (keep in mind I asked him to do the extra cash part when then comic's value was at 1225 and I would take a little lower yes but I'd still make a decent profit on it or so I thought) Said it before, That bolded line is my mistake? so what should I have said? It's not what you should have said You shouldnt have shipped the book. Period. Even with $100 kicker you were begging for..... there is not enough of a profit margin to make this trade worthwhile With the 100 more I was asking I would have made a profit I'll explain I bought the comic for 950 and I though his ba12 would be worth around 750 so that would mean I need to cash at least to make a profit on it and I said I wanted 300 so to me that margin of profit would do well for me since it's a quick sell now to where it was worth 1225 his comic is worth around 750+300 cash this is where I said I don't feel I want to trade it but if he put in extra 100 I'd do it and take a bit lower profit on the comic so taking that into consideration it would go like this I paid 950 for the asm 129 his comic is worth 750+400 cash = 1150 1150-950=200 profit for me as it would be a quick sell and easy to move it Am I reading it right that you and this guy set up a trade: Your ASM 129 for his BA12 + $300. Then, once you got the BA12 (and presumably the $300), you asked him to kick another $100 on top of it? Is that correct? yes that would be correct And you really think that he was in the wrong? You accepted his deal and then wanted him to give you more on top of it? As others have said, I don't think this is your thing. But, if you want to keep on pushing on then, as others have said, you probably would be better served scaling it back to small books until you figure out how this works. In terms of how he forced me into the deal yes he was wrong on that regard and yes I did want more on top of because the value of the comic went up. So in your way of thinking, for instance. If I buy a Hulk #1 from seller A for 2500 dollars, and it goes up in value to 8000 dollars would I owe him money because the value grew? Preposterous! No I only thought that way because he pissed me off and I didn't like how he made me do a deal with him.

Yes I have because that was my previous worry when I lived in wawa ontario. For me they require proof of value and receipts of purchase. Don't worry I'm doing my best reading these things my next thing is to get a insurance that goes up to 20k for consignments and my comics. You asked me before what I want to do. 1. Get a job 2. Sell my collection 3. Get insurance for consignments 4. Get consignments you said I go after big value comics and the next big score that's partially true I do go after big scores because they are the money makers but I would never turn down any offer of a consignment. When I first started the thread about consigning I was willing to take a box of dollar comics and sell it for someone but he never sent anything. I'm willing to work what I'm given but I'm more willing to go after bigger deals. I can't tell you how many times I tried to get smaller things and I wasted more time then it was worth because they would change their minds and not send it to me and the only smaller consignment I have is of about 300 dollars value but I'm happy to work on it

when I trade I do it can make a profit from the comic but making sure that we are both satisfied with the deal the difference this time was my acting before I thought about it and when I realized that I tried to back out when I saw I made a bad deal. On consignments after I sell my comics that will be my primary focus since I won't have to lug around my own comics from place to place. So how does this consignment thing work? The seller ships to book to your or ships the book to the buyer? I read your other thread and thought it was a little goofy. I certainly hope that if people are sending you books that you aren't as careless with them as you are with your own books. The comics would be shipped to me then when they are sold I'll ship it to the buyer I've tried to sell comics without having them on hand and it doesn't work out to well because they trust me not the other person. Careless? I don't know what you mean I treat my comics with care do you mean overpricing them? Have you gotten insurance for your business yet (as was suggested when you first posted about taking consignments)? Not yet I'm stuck on choosing a company that I want for insurance but the home insurance covers up to 5k so I can take comics up to that much value for now.

My plan was to sell it at it's peak to make the most money like you said and this was a deal on facebook not in person. My reason for making that trade was black mail he said if I back out he would post in the facebook groups that I'm a scammer. I do have gpa which is why I wanted to keep and sell the asm 129 for a good profit. The deal went down something like this because I posted that I bought a asm 129 and was excited Him: "hey you have a asm 129 cgc 9.0 right?" Me: "I don't have it yet but I bought one why?" Him "I have a ba12 about a 9.4 raw" Me: "ok show me pics" (he showed me pics and I didn't agree with his grading so I asked if he wanted to do a cash plus trade deal and this was when gpa on the asm 129 was 1075) Him "what do you think?" Me: "I don't agree with your grading because your overgrading and over valuing the comic as it's raw" Him "ok how about this? the ba12 plus 300 cash?" Me: "that's sounds fair when I get it I'll let you know" Him: "cool" (the comic now arrived) Me: "ok I got the comic and since the value of asm 129 went up would you add 100 bucks? because if not I'd like to keep it since it will go up in value" Him: are you backing out of the deal? you said you agreed and now your backing out of it?" Me: "The values of the comics aren't even anymore so if you can add a little more cash we can still do this" Him "No what I gave you is fair all the dealers I went to said this is a 9.4 without a press" Me: I don't want to lose money on this trade" Him: "You won't trust me" Me: "I don't want to do the trade if you won't add some more cash to your part" Him "If you back out of this deal I'm reporting this to all the fb groups that you tried to back out of a deal and scam me" Me: "I didn't scam you and we didn't fully agree on the trade" Him: " I don't care you went against your word and you are trying to scam me now" Me: Fine! I'll do the trade ok?" Him: "good" (keep in mind I asked him to do the extra cash part when then comic's value was at 1225 and I would take a little lower yes but I'd still make a decent profit on it or so I thought) Said it before, That bolded line is my mistake? so what should I have said? It's not what you should have said You shouldnt have shipped the book. Period. Even with $100 kicker you were begging for..... there is not enough of a profit margin to make this trade worthwhile With the 100 more I was asking I would have made a profit I'll explain I bought the comic for 950 and I though his ba12 would be worth around 750 so that would mean I need to cash at least to make a profit on it and I said I wanted 300 so to me that margin of profit would do well for me since it's a quick sell now to where it was worth 1225 his comic is worth around 750+300 cash this is where I said I don't feel I want to trade it but if he put in extra 100 I'd do it and take a bit lower profit on the comic so taking that into consideration it would go like this I paid 950 for the asm 129 his comic is worth 750+400 cash = 1150 1150-950=200 profit for me as it would be a quick sell and easy to move it Am I reading it right that you and this guy set up a trade: Your ASM 129 for his BA12 + $300. Then, once you got the BA12 (and presumably the $300), you asked him to kick another $100 on top of it? Is that correct? yes that would be correct And you really think that he was in the wrong? You accepted his deal and then wanted him to give you more on top of it? As others have said, I don't think this is your thing. But, if you want to keep on pushing on then, as others have said, you probably would be better served scaling it back to small books until you figure out how this works. In terms of how he forced me into the deal yes he was wrong on that regard and yes I did want more on top of because the value of the comic went up. He forced you to complete a deal that you agreed to. If you were on the other side of the deal you'd expect him to honor his side of the trade. You completed the deal because you were afraid he'd reveal your behavior and it would look bad. You should think long and hard about that and about whether you want to be a stand up guy. A stand up guy? I always try to be a stand up guy when I make mistakes or do something wrong I admit to it and I always will I didn't like how he said he would blast me on all the comic book groups if I didn't give him the comic. Maybe it's something different to you but when I try to sell here I get nice comics and having another selling venue shut off to me would almost ruin me all I would have left is ebay or sell it for cheap somewhere else and he knows the admins of most groups. To you can probably just laugh it off but to me that it something that I'd be afraid of happening. You and he agreed to a deal. When he owned up to his side (sending you the book and the money), you wanted a few more bucks. That's not right. Now, you've owned up to the mistake (as you should). And you've owned up to other mistakes as well. That's the right way to do things. BUT, and it's a big BUT, at some point you've got to stop the mistakes. Saying sorry all the time isn't going to cut it. You've said, multiple times, you completed the deal because you were afraid of him posting something bad about you. You should have completed the deal because that's what you agreed to and he had already completed his part of the deal. You tried to get more money out of him after the deal was made and you had his books. That's almost right I did admit I was wrong in what I did and I won't be doing it again however he sent the money first, I got my comic and sent it to him then he sent his part. I tried to back out because it wasn't the deal I wanted anymore and I thought he tried to pull something over me and I panicked and tried to back out and seeing as I couldn't I wanted more money for it.

Thanks so far I had 3 of 4 trades work out in my favor and I refuse to be burned if I have to wait longer to make this work I will because people on here are right I have been easy to push around and I've been trying to change but habits are harder to break then I thought.

I have a feeling that my advice will likely be disregarded just as everyone else's has, but I'll give it a stab. One of the reasons that getting a "regular" job is so important is that it gives you a stable foundation to work from. That includes a budget for discretionary spending - which would include a hobby. When others here suggest that you start with comics as a hobby, they're not suggesting that you go out and pay full market value for high-grade keys and hot books. There's 3 ways to pursue comics as a hobby: 1. Pay FMV by buying from comic retailers or bidding aggressively at auctions. 2. Get for a significant percentage off FMV (a "deal") by scouring yard sales, swap meets, used books stores, classified ads, local comic shop back-issue bins where they may have overlooked something, etc. 3. Doing a combination of the two. Most collectors will do both, but will resort to #1 when there's a book they want and aren't particularly concerned about resale potential. I think when others suggest that you pursue comics as a hobby, I think they have in mind that you stick almost exclusively to option #2. Option #2 will really benefit you because it will help you develop the leg-work skills and connections to source material with big enough margins that you can make a profit when you sell. And I'm not talking about finding some hidden specu-key. I talking about finding books 50 cents - $2.00 that you know you can sell for $5-$10, maybe more. Doesn't sound like a lot of money but it's a healthy profit margin and doing it over multiple books will add up. And that means it will force you to become more knowledgeable about what the true market is for a broad spectrum of comics is, not just the flash-in-the-pan hot stuff. By pursuing a collection this way you'll also have far less money tied up in your collection. So if you ever loose interest or it seems that selling comics as a business won't come to fruition you can sell your collection and at the very least make back what you made plus nice little profit. Or hold on to the books and be comfortable knowing that you're not out much in terms of money. Option #2 requires a lot more of your time, energy and some gas money for driving around but the reward is that you'll put together a collection for less money than retail and develop the skills necessary should you decide to shift into selling later. Starting by collecting using option #2 will do something else that's very important: it will help create passion for the hobby, and that's so vital for success. Another member here - I think it was mintcollector - spoke one time about how he bought and flipped antique glass for profit. He said that you could go out and buy a book on antique glass values and identification, and then hit yard sales and antique stores looking for pieces to flip. But the only way you could be truly successful at it is if you develop a passion for the antique glass itself. And I think that's true of anything collectible, especially comics. Right now it seems like you're chasing every shiny new thing that somebody else thinks is "hot" because there's a movie coming out or some development deal has been gossiped about. It seems like the only thing you have a passion for is having the bragging rights to flipping some whale book for thousands of dollars and looking like a B.S.D. dealer who's made phat stacks off a comic. That's not the kind of passion that's going to lead to long term success. Forget that stuff. Start with the collecting rule of thumb using option #2: collect what you like. There's all kinds of things you can sell for profit. So why are you focused on comics? What is it about comics that attracts you to them? What characters do you like? What stories mean something? Which writers and artists work do you esteem? When you answer those questions (and have a stable job that gives you disposable income) than use option #2 to start pursuing those books. Sure, keep on eye out for books that you think others might be interested in down the road, but make sure you're picking up books you personally enjoy. That keeps your passion up which in turn gives you the motivation to learn and stay up on the market. I understand that you really want to be you're own boss now, but you've really got to stop fighting your dad about getting one. As mentioned, having a day job will give you the financial foundation to pursue comics as a hobby, which in turn will give you the skills and passion to later pursue comics as a business. But getting a regular job will do something else: it's going to force to cultivate patience and discipline. Those qualities are absolutely necessary for running a successful business. Anyone here who's run a business will tell you that it often require sacrifice - giving up something that may be important to you in the short term for something that's more important to you in the long term. And when you work a 9-5, 5-day-a-week job that's where your hobby comes in: Friday night you get off work, sit down and start planning on what yard sales and swap meets you're going to hit on Saturday and Sunday, maybe hit the back issue bins at a LCS, follow up on a couple classifieds. If you truly enjoy comics as a hobby, that's how you recharge your batteries for the next work week. That doesn't mean buying collections of multiple long-boxes of 90's drek, or buying expensive key books. Just a few books every weekend that you enjoy and that you know you're getting for well below market value. Slow and steady. Thanks I'll be reading it later and appreciate the info unlike what other say you'll hear it from me "I do read what you have to say and as for following the advice I slowly do that" for selling the collection I can't take too much of a loss but I hear what they're saying.

when I trade I do it can make a profit from the comic but making sure that we are both satisfied with the deal the difference this time was my acting before I thought about it and when I realized that I tried to back out when I saw I made a bad deal. On consignments after I sell my comics that will be my primary focus since I won't have to lug around my own comics from place to place. So how does this consignment thing work? The seller ships to book to your or ships the book to the buyer? I read your other thread and thought it was a little goofy. I certainly hope that if people are sending you books that you aren't as careless with them as you are with your own books. The comics would be shipped to me then when they are sold I'll ship it to the buyer I've tried to sell comics without having them on hand and it doesn't work out to well because they trust me not the other person. Careless? I don't know what you mean I treat my comics with care do you mean overpricing them?

I have a feeling that my advice will likely be disregarded just as everyone else's has, but I'll give it a stab. One of the reasons that getting a "regular" job is so important is that it gives you a stable foundation to work from. That includes a budget for discretionary spending - which would include a hobby. When others here suggest that you start with comics as a hobby, they're not suggesting that you go out and pay full market value for high-grade keys and hot books. There's 3 ways to pursue comics as a hobby: 1. Pay FMV by buying from comic retailers or bidding aggressively at auctions. 2. Get for a significant percentage off FMV (a "deal") by scouring yard sales, swap meets, used books stores, classified ads, local comic shop back-issue bins where they may have overlooked something, etc. 3. Doing a combination of the two. Most collectors will do both, but will resort to #1 when there's a book they want and aren't particularly concerned about resale potential. I think when others suggest that you pursue comics as a hobby, I think they have in mind that you stick almost exclusively to option #2. Option #2 will really benefit you because it will help you develop the leg-work skills and connections to source material with big enough margins that you can make a profit when you sell. And I'm not talking about finding some hidden specu-key. I talking about finding books 50 cents - $2.00 that you know you can sell for $5-$10, maybe more. Doesn't sound like a lot of money but it's a healthy profit margin and doing it over multiple books will add up. And that means it will force you to become more knowledgeable about what the true market is for a broad spectrum of comics is, not just the flash-in-the-pan hot stuff. By pursuing a collection this way you'll also have far less money tied up in your collection. So if you ever loose interest or it seems that selling comics as a business won't come to fruition you can sell your collection and at the very least make back what you made plus nice little profit. Or hold on to the books and be comfortable knowing that you're not out much in terms of money. Option #2 requires a lot more of your time, energy and some gas money for driving around but the reward is that you'll put together a collection for less money than retail and develop the skills necessary should you decide to shift into selling later. Starting by collecting using option #2 will do something else that's very important: it will help create passion for the hobby, and that's so vital for success. Another member here - I think it was mintcollector - spoke one time about how he bought and flipped antique glass for profit. He said that you could go out and buy a book on antique glass values and identification, and then hit yard sales and antique stores looking for pieces to flip. But the only way you could be truly successful at it is if you develop a passion for the antique glass itself. And I think that's true of anything collectible, especially comics. Right now it seems like you're chasing every shiny new thing that somebody else thinks is "hot" because there's a movie coming out or some development deal has been gossiped about. It seems like the only thing you have a passion for is having the bragging rights to flipping some whale book for thousands of dollars and looking like a B.S.D. dealer who's made phat stacks off a comic. That's not the kind of passion that's going to lead to long term success. Forget that stuff. Start with the collecting rule of thumb using option #2: collect what you like. There's all kinds of things you can sell for profit. So why are you focused on comics? What is it about comics that attracts you to them? What characters do you like? What stories mean something? Which writers and artists work do you esteem? When you answer those questions (and have a stable job that gives you disposable income) than use option #2 to start pursuing those books. Sure, keep on eye out for books that you think others might be interested in down the road, but make sure you're picking up books you personally enjoy. That keeps your passion up which in turn gives you the motivation to learn and stay up on the market. I understand that you really want to be you're own boss now, but you've really got to stop fighting your dad about getting one. As mentioned, having a day job will give you the financial foundation to pursue comics as a hobby, which in turn will give you the skills and passion to later pursue comics as a business. But getting a regular job will do something else: it's going to force to cultivate patience and discipline. Those qualities are absolutely necessary for running a successful business. Anyone here who's run a business will tell you that it often require sacrifice - giving up something that may be important to you in the short term for something that's more important to you in the long term. And when you work a 9-5, 5-day-a-week job that's where your hobby comes in: Friday night you get off work, sit down and start planning on what yard sales and swap meets you're going to hit on Saturday and Sunday, maybe hit the back issue bins at a LCS, follow up on a couple classifieds. If you truly enjoy comics as a hobby, that's how you recharge your batteries for the next work week. That doesn't mean buying collections of multiple long-boxes of 90's drek, or buying expensive key books. Just a few books every weekend that you enjoy and that you know you're getting for well below market value. Slow and steady. This is an excellent post. It sure is. It's too bad that it will likely be completely ignored by the person it was meant to benefit. No it won't be ignored by me I didn't know I acted the way I did and I don't mean for it to come off as bragging I'm just happy I can make some money for a change instead of losing it. You also asked me what other things I used to sell for a profit? coins and video games. I thought when people were telling me to do it as a hobby I thought they meant quit completely but I will print all the good info off and put it to use. My dad and I don't see eye to eye and we haven't been partners for a while now. I like archie, spider-man, doctor strange, x-men, batman. The reasons I like the characters as silly as it sounds they have qualities I wish to have myself and as for artists I like neal adams, jack kirby and steve ditko. I like like cool badass looking art and art the is happy looking as well I can read a comic and imagine I was there especially the happy worlds. What drew me to comics is money and enjoyment since I know if you know how to do it right you can make money with comics and I never knew archie had any comics when I first started I thought they were only digests.

My plan was to sell it at it's peak to make the most money like you said and this was a deal on facebook not in person. My reason for making that trade was black mail he said if I back out he would post in the facebook groups that I'm a scammer. I do have gpa which is why I wanted to keep and sell the asm 129 for a good profit. The deal went down something like this because I posted that I bought a asm 129 and was excited Him: "hey you have a asm 129 cgc 9.0 right?" Me: "I don't have it yet but I bought one why?" Him "I have a ba12 about a 9.4 raw" Me: "ok show me pics" (he showed me pics and I didn't agree with his grading so I asked if he wanted to do a cash plus trade deal and this was when gpa on the asm 129 was 1075) Him "what do you think?" Me: "I don't agree with your grading because your overgrading and over valuing the comic as it's raw" Him "ok how about this? the ba12 plus 300 cash?" Me: "that's sounds fair when I get it I'll let you know" Him: "cool" (the comic now arrived) Me: "ok I got the comic and since the value of asm 129 went up would you add 100 bucks? because if not I'd like to keep it since it will go up in value" Him: are you backing out of the deal? you said you agreed and now your backing out of it?" Me: "The values of the comics aren't even anymore so if you can add a little more cash we can still do this" Him "No what I gave you is fair all the dealers I went to said this is a 9.4 without a press" Me: I don't want to lose money on this trade" Him: "You won't trust me" Me: "I don't want to do the trade if you won't add some more cash to your part" Him "If you back out of this deal I'm reporting this to all the fb groups that you tried to back out of a deal and scam me" Me: "I didn't scam you and we didn't fully agree on the trade" Him: " I don't care you went against your word and you are trying to scam me now" Me: Fine! I'll do the trade ok?" Him: "good" (keep in mind I asked him to do the extra cash part when then comic's value was at 1225 and I would take a little lower yes but I'd still make a decent profit on it or so I thought) Said it before, That bolded line is my mistake? so what should I have said? It's not what you should have said You shouldnt have shipped the book. Period. Even with $100 kicker you were begging for..... there is not enough of a profit margin to make this trade worthwhile With the 100 more I was asking I would have made a profit I'll explain I bought the comic for 950 and I though his ba12 would be worth around 750 so that would mean I need to cash at least to make a profit on it and I said I wanted 300 so to me that margin of profit would do well for me since it's a quick sell now to where it was worth 1225 his comic is worth around 750+300 cash this is where I said I don't feel I want to trade it but if he put in extra 100 I'd do it and take a bit lower profit on the comic so taking that into consideration it would go like this I paid 950 for the asm 129 his comic is worth 750+400 cash = 1150 1150-950=200 profit for me as it would be a quick sell and easy to move it Am I reading it right that you and this guy set up a trade: Your ASM 129 for his BA12 + $300. Then, once you got the BA12 (and presumably the $300), you asked him to kick another $100 on top of it? Is that correct? yes that would be correct And you really think that he was in the wrong? You accepted his deal and then wanted him to give you more on top of it? As others have said, I don't think this is your thing. But, if you want to keep on pushing on then, as others have said, you probably would be better served scaling it back to small books until you figure out how this works. In terms of how he forced me into the deal yes he was wrong on that regard and yes I did want more on top of because the value of the comic went up. He forced you to complete a deal that you agreed to. If you were on the other side of the deal you'd expect him to honor his side of the trade. You completed the deal because you were afraid he'd reveal your behavior and it would look bad. You should think long and hard about that and about whether you want to be a stand up guy. A stand up guy? I always try to be a stand up guy when I make mistakes or do something wrong I admit to it and I always will I didn't like how he said he would blast me on all the comic book groups if I didn't give him the comic. Maybe it's something different to you but when I try to sell here I get nice comics and having another selling venue shut off to me would almost ruin me all I would have left is ebay or sell it for cheap somewhere else and he knows the admins of most groups. To you can probably just laugh it off but to me that it something that I'd be afraid of happening.

Said it before, That bolded line is my mistake? so what should I have said? It's not what you should have said You shouldnt have shipped the book. Period. Even with $100 kicker you were begging for..... there is not enough of a profit margin to make this trade worthwhile With the 100 more I was asking I would have made a profit I'll explain I bought the comic for 950 and I though his ba12 would be worth around 750 so that would mean I need to cash at least to make a profit on it and I said I wanted 300 so to me that margin of profit would do well for me since it's a quick sell now to where it was worth 1225 his comic is worth around 750+300 cash this is where I said I don't feel I want to trade it but if he put in extra 100 I'd do it and take a bit lower profit on the comic so taking that into consideration it would go like this I paid 950 for the asm 129 his comic is worth 750+400 cash = 1150 1150-950=200 profit for me as it would be a quick sell and easy to move it Am I reading it right that you and this guy set up a trade: Your ASM 129 for his BA12 + $300. Then, once you got the BA12 (and presumably the $300), you asked him to kick another $100 on top of it? Is that correct? yes that would be correct And you really think that he was in the wrong? You accepted his deal and then wanted him to give you more on top of it? As others have said, I don't think this is your thing. But, if you want to keep on pushing on then, as others have said, you probably would be better served scaling it back to small books until you figure out how this works. In terms of how he forced me into the deal yes he was wrong on that regard and yes I did want more on top of because the value of the comic went up. I honestly do not see how you were forced into this trade. As others have said, you could have just not send the book over. I don't think your reputation would have taken a hit if you had backed out of the deal. However, saying that you wanted more money made you seem greedy and I can see why the other guy got a little upset over it. He said he would post it on all the facebook comic book groups and I've seen him do it before I wouldn't have done this deal otherwise because I changed my mind on it so that's when he said what he did.

haha I wish those comics would be awesome to have