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2 hours ago, 50AE_DE said:

$800 is what he was looking for the books he sold you?

Oh no that's what I'm gonna be setting the price at and if I revealed the number you would be able to tell how much I paid for the lot

2 hours ago, 50AE_DE said:

What was the price he set?

800 OBO is the price I'm setting 

2 hours ago, Wall-Crawler said:

Was he asking $800

 

800 OBO

2 hours ago, thehumantorch said:

Trust me, I've read all your posts.  I can't respond to all of them, I'd go crazy.  I've gone from gently supporting you, to disbelief, and now finally to distrust.

When I see a seller at a show or online setting ridiculous prices designed to find a sucker or push prices I avoid.  There's a local dealer who bought a large SA collection.  I was interested in his low grade Fantastic Four #5 to replace a copy I'd sold.  A glance at his $5k sticker price, and a quick glance to grade the book lower than 2.0 told me all I needed to know.  Avoid at all costs.

You know what these books are worth.  We've shown you links suggesting a rough fair value of $300.  You've said you'll list the books at $800 and you think you can get $400 to $450.  Call it whatever you want, testing things means setting a super high price hoping to push the price beyond current market.  It's not illegal, many sellers do it but yes, I'm swimming out of your buyer's pool.  

 

That's fine you can do as you please and you keep touting how bad it is yet if you've read what I said you wouldn't say what you did. Like I said you have no clue what I did or didn't pay yet you're telling me what I should sell for?

2 hours ago, 50AE_DE said:

I think the only person who agree with your pricing is the person who sold the books to you.

Actually, I didn't agree with the price that he set and wanted half of that which he agreed to so I'm the one that decided what I wanted

2 hours ago, Red84 said:

That's not how it works.  You have to think about those fees when you're buying the book you are going to re-sell later.  That's why it's important to get books for a good price if you are planning to sell them later.  Those are called margins.  You need to have meat on the bone so that when the fees come later the bone isn't picked entirely clean.

 

I never thought of it like that I was always making sure I got a good price so that  I could make a profit but I never added fees in addition to that and I appreciate the idea because I learned something new.

2 hours ago, Red84 said:

A buyer doesn't care about your fees.  The fees do not change what the book is worth.  The fees are the cost of doing business on eBay which allows you to sell to millions of people.  The fees are just part of your costs and they reduce your profit.  This is why it's important to get a good price when you buy books to re-sell because the fees and time all add up.

 

I agree with this post

2 hours ago, Red84 said:

A buyer doesn't care about your fees.  The fees do not change what the book is worth.  The fees are the cost of doing business on eBay which allows you to sell to millions of people.  The fees are just part of your costs and they reduce your profit.  

 

I know but whether or not they care it affects my bottom line so in order to avoid that I just add the fees to my price of what I'm looking for 

2 hours ago, 50AE_DE said:

Gabe, you're truly clueless. 

I was being sarcastic and comparing two different things like that doesn't make sense for good reasons

2 hours ago, Red84 said:

Well, first of all, if you're asking 2x what a book is worth $800 vs $400 and a dealer offers you 50% of $800 then they are actually offering you what the book is worth ($400).  If someone is actually lowballing you and offering much less than what it is worth you can either ignore them as not serious or counter with an offer that you think is fair.  What you are doing by severely overpricing your books is the same as the buyer who severely lowballs.  They are both bad and 2 sides of the same coin.

 

I see, and it makes sense what you're saying but you have to remember I also have to calculate 15% fees into this as well in addition to whatever the person offers that's usually why I put it up because if you add those factors together it's almost the whole pie if you will.

2 hours ago, Red84 said:

I'm taking the fun out of things?  You want to be a dealer then you have to act like a dealer.  If you value the books at $450 and still ask $800 that's bizarre and VERY bad business.  You want to leave room for negotiation? Fine, I do that to, but within reason.  I like to negotiate so if I value something at $450 I might ask $600 at a show, but not every time and not with mid grade common modern books.

 

So what do I do about other dealers and lowballers? They go right past the negotiation amount that's why I price it high because dealers offer 30-50% which sucks 

2 hours ago, thehumantorch said:

Dealer can grade and ship better than you, most logical thing you've said in this entire thread.  You're still taking a risk trusting someone else to handle these books for you.  A lot can go wrong.

You don't appear to be using ebay sold listings and gpa data in your price discovery, quite the opposite, you're more than double similar lots.  I can tell you, I hate ebay sellers who price auctions well over market trying to suck out offers well above current market.  It's not illegal but I consider it unethical and you're going on my ebay block list.

 

You're making a bigger deal out of this than is needed and you're gonna block me for testing things? I suggest you read my above posts unless you're just responding to what's convenient to you  

2 hours ago, Red84 said:

I think you've gotten worse because you think you've improved.  The asking price of $800 on books worth around $300 shows that.  

Prices will not rapidly change downward or upward.  They will likely increase some when the trailer is released but not by 100%.  Your asking price is ridiculous now and will still be ridiculous then and any buyer with half a brain will see your asking price and skip your listing with the understanding that it's not worth making an offer when the starting point is bizarre.

 

That's the thing I value these comics at 400-450 and you're taking the fun out of things. And maybe we don't agree but even low print things can become flooded on ebay and sold cheaply is what I've been saying. As for my outrageous price it's just a test.

2 hours ago, Red84 said:

I don't care if you got them for free.  Asking $800 is ridiculous.  Yes, not having a lot of capital in a book does allow you to wait longer to sell it, but if you're not going to ask a reasonable price then you'll never enjoy the potential profit.

In other words, You're doing this wrong!

 

So you think I'll keep making those mistakes? I know I've made them before but I've been improving. Also, I said I'm willing to wait to get a good offer and should prices rapidly change it will be reflected in my listing

2 hours ago, thehumantorch said:

Really?  I always thought the opposite, how clueless am I?

So #1 by itself is worth less than the entire run?

 

In a lot yes by itself no but there will be exceptions to every rule and I didn't see that happen

2 hours ago, Wall-Crawler said:

If this is how he interacts with employers who tell him something he doesn't want to "hear" I can see how he does so well.  Yes, once again, ignore all advice, double down and act like a jack hole

 

No, you're telling me things I already know and I'm not that one that gave sarcastic answer or emojis.

2 hours ago, Red84 said:

What? 

It has zero impact on what the comics are worth that's correct but the amount I paid I have a huge flexibility with what I choose 

2 hours ago, revat said:

Ok, i'll bite on the 'books in america'.  I get that it will open up your market and save you on some costs for shipping and maybe translations fees (generally good things), but does that mean you're not taking the pictures yourself or examining the books you're selling in person?  Are you paying someone to help?  Are they qualified?  Are you gaining the experience you need to improve as a 'professional'?   grading, packing, taking pics are all important things that can be improved with repetition.

Also, about the over-pricing with best offer options, what is the endgame?  Collect offer data for a month then lower the price? a year? How do you know when to sell?  Just hope that if/when the price starts to go up you set an autoaccept at $750?  Do you have SOOOOO many copies that you need to collect data to optimize each sale? Are even capable mathematically of processing the data?  I can see pricing it a little bit high, but most people just skip the ridiculous ones.

 

You ask lots of questions but this is a smaller dealer and a friend that I trust and grades and ships better than myself. Then endgame is to take the highest offer and I'll know when to sell when I get the right offer and the data is why you use ebay sold listings and gpa

2 hours ago, Red84 said:

You only compare 2 separate things, otherwise it's the SAME thing. 

Ok then let me compare batman 1 and nm 98 because it's the same thing

2 hours ago, Wall-Crawler said:

Why don't you "enlighten us" then with what you paid? 

I already told you that it will be after I sell them

2 hours ago, Red84 said:

What you paid for the books has ZERO impact on what they are worth.

That wasn't why I mentioned what I paid for them

2 hours ago, Red84 said:

the movie announcement was last month, meaning a bump in price already occurred.  Unless you think a trailer is going to increase the value of your books more than 2x you are waiting for something that will never occur.  

Compare the right books?  I was showing you that early Walking Dead books aren't even worth that much so clearly Invincible early books will not be worth even close to that amount.  

 

 

You think that the announcement is the only thing that will raise it's value? Well I don't I'm waiting for the trailer and that said you have no idea what I paid for them.

2 hours ago, Wall-Crawler said:

Yeah @Red84 at least compare the right comics! Sheesh! Don't you know ANYTHING???

 

 

Walking dead and Invincible are two separate things so it wouldn't make sense to compare them

2 hours ago, Wall-Crawler said:

Are you asking $800 CDN or USD (about $585 USD)?  If are asking $800 USD you are totally off your rocker.

Your 'reasoning' is just so out in left field...It is like you are trying to rationalize (yet another) bad purchase that will cost you money.

 

I'm asking $800 USD and there's nothing wrong with my reasoning, I gave you plenty of answers why I'm going to do so and in case you missed it I said if prices changes I will adjust mine accordingly

2 hours ago, Red84 said:

No. Still makes zero sense.  You have also stated that you are selling the books as a lot.  So you are claiming lots don't make their maximum value yet you are selling your books as a lot and expecting to get more than 200% of their value.  Unless you are including 5 $100 bills with your books they are not selling for $800.  And when you ask more than double what something is worth you're also not going to get any real offers.

Here's some super secret news... people don't want random issues of a modern book in 7.0 condition. 

Just did a quick look at gpa and you know how much CGC 7.5 Walking Dead 2, 3, 4, and 5 go for? Around $550.  Walking Dead is only the mostly popular TV show outside of Game of Thrones so I'm sure a random one off movie for Invincible will create Walking Dead prices. 

Your books are worth around $300.  Realize that or enjoy keeping them forever.

 

That's the beauty of waiting and putting up an OBO while they're heating up and if you're comparing something at least compare the right comics